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  1. #21
    Given that the patchwerk boss of the current raid tier (for example) features every single person using mongoose bite, why does the iceyveins guide say to use raptor strike for single target?
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  3. #23
    When did it change to use Flanking strike as an option? I always used it in M+, but im fairly sure Tip of the Spear was the recommended choice until recently
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  4. #24
    The only thing that has changed recently is that we generally do not recommend Tip of the Spear anymore. This is within the past week as you mention. (Because now, those "high Haste levels" have sort of become the norm).

    It is still true that Flanking Strike gains a lot of value in M+ and is a good choice for overall DPS, but it is not favoured within the community very much. It is probably a bit underrated by people compared to how competitive it is, but that is what tends to happen to stuff that is not quite meta, but pretty close.

    Check this sim for example:
    https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...CbKkiMVbichavx

    (Dungeon Slice is a Mythic+ Sim Scenario, this is with Mythic BoD gear).

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Azortharion View Post
    Try again.

    1. Single Target Rotation
    The single target rotation for a Survival Hunter is based on the following priority system:

    Use Coordinated Assault Icon Coordinated Assault on cooldown.
    Cast Kill Command Icon Kill Command on cooldown, if it will not Focus cap you.
    Cast Wildfire Bomb Icon Wildfire Bomb on cooldown, but only when the DoT is close to expiring.
    When you get a Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom proc, cast Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting to spend it immediately.
    Maintain the Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting DoT by refreshing it whenever there is less than 3 seconds remaining on it. This is rarely needed with Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom.
    Cast Raptor Strike Icon Raptor Strike to spend Focus, always trying to prevent yourself from hitting the Focus cap.


    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/surviv...owns-abilities
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  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by bullseyed View Post
    Try again.

    1. Single Target Rotation
    The single target rotation for a Survival Hunter is based on the following priority system:

    Use Coordinated Assault Icon Coordinated Assault on cooldown.
    Cast Kill Command Icon Kill Command on cooldown, if it will not Focus cap you.
    Cast Wildfire Bomb Icon Wildfire Bomb on cooldown, but only when the DoT is close to expiring.
    When you get a Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom proc, cast Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting to spend it immediately.
    Maintain the Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting DoT by refreshing it whenever there is less than 3 seconds remaining on it. This is rarely needed with Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom.
    Cast Raptor Strike Icon Raptor Strike to spend Focus, always trying to prevent yourself from hitting the Focus cap.


    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/surviv...owns-abilities
    This is just the general rotation. Effects of talent choices on it are specified below:

    7.4. Tier 6 Talents

    Mongoose Bite Icon Mongoose Bite replaces Raptor Strike Icon Raptor Strike. It has the same cost and its role in the rotation is the same, but because of Mongoose Fury Icon Mongoose Fury, you want to use it in a way that allows the highest amount of Mongoose Bites in the 14-second window. Most importantly, you want to start Mongoose Fury windows (by casting the first Mongoose Bite to start the buff) at high Focus and with Kill Command Icon Kill Command on cooldown.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by bullseyed View Post
    Try again.

    1. Single Target Rotation
    The single target rotation for a Survival Hunter is based on the following priority system:

    Use Coordinated Assault Icon Coordinated Assault on cooldown.
    Cast Kill Command Icon Kill Command on cooldown, if it will not Focus cap you.
    Cast Wildfire Bomb Icon Wildfire Bomb on cooldown, but only when the DoT is close to expiring.
    When you get a Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom proc, cast Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting to spend it immediately.
    Maintain the Serpent Sting Icon Serpent Sting DoT by refreshing it whenever there is less than 3 seconds remaining on it. This is rarely needed with Viper's Venom Icon Viper's Venom.
    Cast Raptor Strike Icon Raptor Strike to spend Focus, always trying to prevent yourself from hitting the Focus cap.


    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/surviv...owns-abilities
    I think Andreasels explained it pretty well. I think it should go without saying that the talent recommendation isn't implicit in the rotation.

    This is a deliberate choice, because if someone reads the guide that doesn't use Mongoose Bite (for one reason or another), especially if they are not familiar with the spec/game, it's just gonna be really confusing and they'll have no idea what that Raptor Strike spell in their spell book is meant for.

    Sometimes you get this problem in the opposite direction, but it is much less common, or at least that has been my experience in 4+ years of guidewriting.

  8. #28
    Is the flanking strike sim well due to it giving 30 focus when you use it ? I use flanking in pvp, but never have used it in M+. I have started using BM to do M+ due to all the AOE and the fact BM can cleave very easily.

  9. #29
    Partly Focus, partly damage. It's not just one part of it. It's still not the best by any means, just.. Not that terrible.

  10. #30
    Icy-Veins Guides more or less updated for Patch 8.3 Release


    Still got BiS stuff to do, and I think that some recommendations on the Corruption/Essence front are likely to change as we learn more and the methodology/sim tools improve.


    Constructive feedback is always appreciated in my DM's or #guide  feedback.


    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/beast-...-pve-dps-guide
    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/marksm...-pve-dps-guide
    https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/surviv...-pve-dps-guide

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