Frostmourne should become DK transmog option

[kenn9530]

Okay, so find a way to make Frostmourne a holy weapon, erase decades of it being the most iconic Death Knight weapon, and then it may end up not being DK-only.

It literally raised the Four Horseman and a massive, powerful dragon that you then went on to ride. Try to actually read the replies to your posts, or alternatively, read up on DK lore, Frostmourne lore and pretty much any lore at all, because you've proven you're not very well versed in it.

And by your logic, I guess the Scepter of Sargeras can not rip a planet apart even though it is famous for doing so in lore.

So why do you think a non-DK should have it?

It's not just a DK weapon. It's the literal epitome of a DK weapon.

its not a DK weapon, its was never made for a DK, if it was a DK weapon then any DK could use it but that is not the case, runeblades can be wielded by anyone so why would frostmourne be any different, the raising of the four horseman has nothing to do with the weapon as there are other ways to raise the dead, blades of the fallen lore mentions nothing about having powers over the dead and the quest never even mentions the weapon at all.

No model serves a purpose other then to look cool. Yet the game has always had different models for items. You yourself even said you want models to be unique instead of being everywhere. Yet now you claim a model now needs a reason to be in game. A "skill check" is not a purpose.

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That is like saying Warglaives are not a demon hunter iconic weapon they are an Illidan iconic weapon. Runeblades, of which Frostmourne is one, is an iconic Death Knight weapon. And Arthas is the most iconic of modern Death Knights.

and the glaives can be used by any class that can wield a sword, they only made the transmog avilable to DH as they were not around then. Frostmourne is a runeblade which can be wielded by anyone, they are not solely defined as deathknight weapons and the only person to use frostmourne is not really a deathknight he is only using the powers the sword has and becomes the lich king.

Fact is the player will never get frostmourne.

[rhorle]

and the glaives can be used by any class that can wield a sword, they only made the transmog avilable to DH as they were not around then. Frostmourne is a runeblade which can be wielded by anyone, they are not solely defined as deathknight weapons and the only person to use frostmourne is not really a deathknight he is only using the powers the sword has and becomes the lich king. Fact is the player will never get frostmourne.

This has nothing to do with Azzinoth transmog. Why are you even bringing that up? That further shows that your point about frostmourne not being an iconic Death Knight weapon is made up for your argument. Because you are not applying the same logic to Demon Hunters and Illidan. Glaives are not solely defined as demon hunter weapons and in the lore can be used by many people.

Night elves use glaives, Aldrachi (dead), Shadow hunters, Blood elves all use a form of glaive as a weapon. The Warglaives of Azzinoth are also able to be combined into a singular weapon which makes them look more like a "star glaive". Blizzard has only shown this form as a gm-only weapon but it does have a model in the game. But all of this is irrelevant because you have already shown you are applying different rules to Death Knights simply because they are Death Knights.

People have been claiming that things will never happen in WoW. And guess what? Those things eventually happen. Never is something that doesn't exist and is something that no one that is being honest with themselves can actually claim.

[Alexandyr]

While this all doesn't quite tie into the Blades of the Fallen Prince specifcally, as this is a general artifact questline for Death Knights, the Knights of Acherus did indeed look at artifact power in the light of at least some souls being used in this process, along with materials. This can be seen in such quests as Advanced Runecarving and A Hero's Weapon.

The relevant quotes being as follows:

"We can take your artifact to the forge and shape it to make use of the soul power it contains, provided you've fed your weapon enough souls first. Let's give it a little try, eh?"

"Your weapon has much untapped potential. Come back once you've fed it more souls."

"Return after you've fed your blade another feast of souls and we will make it the most powerful weapon that's ever existed!"

Highlord Darion Mograine says: "By infusing the resources you've gathered with the souls you've claimed, the forge will unlock the true potential of your weapon's destructive might!"

So with all this in mind, I think it pretty clear that not only could the Blades of the Fallen Prince consume souls, but Apocalypse and Maw of the Damned were also capable of this soul feeding ability.

[Yarathir]

its not a DK weapon, its was never made for a DK, if it was a DK weapon then any DK could use it but that is not the case, runeblades can be wielded by anyone so why would frostmourne be any different, the raising of the four horseman has nothing to do with the weapon as there are other ways to raise the dead, blades of the fallen lore mentions nothing about having powers over the dead and the quest never even mentions the weapon at all.



and the glaives can be used by any class that can wield a sword, they only made the transmog avilable to DH as they were not around then. Frostmourne is a runeblade which can be wielded by anyone, they are not solely defined as deathknight weapons and the only person to use frostmourne is not really a deathknight he is only using the powers the sword has and becomes the lich king.

Fact is the player will never get frostmourne.

God, so much wrong with this. Go read up on your lore and then return, because nobody is interested in educating you while you go "NOOO, NOO IT ISN'T TRUE I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO."

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While this all doesn't quite tie into the Blades of the Fallen Prince specifcally, as this is a general artifact questline for Death Knights, the Knights of Acherus did indeed look at artifact power in the light of at least some souls being used in this process, along with materials. This can be seen in such quests as Advanced Runecarving and A Hero's Weapon.

The relevant quotes being as follows:

"We can take your artifact to the forge and shape it to make use of the soul power it contains, provided you've fed your weapon enough souls first. Let's give it a little try, eh?"

"Your weapon has much untapped potential. Come back once you've fed it more souls."

"Return after you've fed your blade another feast of souls and we will make it the most powerful weapon that's ever existed!"

Highlord Darion Mograine says: "By infusing the resources you've gathered with the souls you've claimed, the forge will unlock the true potential of your weapon's destructive might!"

So with all this in mind, I think it pretty clear that not only could the Blades of the Fallen Prince consume souls, but Apocalypse and Maw of the Damned were also capable of this soul feeding ability.

Thanks, Alexandyr.

Case closed, really. Well, it was, already, but more evidence is always nice.

[kenn9530]

This has nothing to do with Azzinoth transmog. Why are you even bringing that up? That further shows that your point about frostmourne not being an iconic Death Knight weapon is made up for your argument. Because you are not applying the same logic to Demon Hunters and Illidan. Glaives are not solely defined as demon hunter weapons and in the lore can be used by many people.

Night elves use glaives, Aldrachi (dead), Shadow hunters, Blood elves all use a form of glaive as a weapon. The Warglaives of Azzinoth are also able to be combined into a singular weapon which makes them look more like a "star glaive". Blizzard has only shown this form as a gm-only weapon but it does have a model in the game. But all of this is irrelevant because you have already shown you are applying different rules to Death Knights simply because they are Death Knights.

People have been claiming that things will never happen in WoW. And guess what? Those things eventually happen. Never is something that doesn't exist and is something that no one that is being honest with themselves can actually claim.

glaives are already obtainable, your talking about something not obtainable ingame and something blizz will never put into game, fact is frostmourne was never made for deathknights, it was made for the lich king who is not a deathknight. First person to ever use the weapon was a paladin.

God, so much wrong with this. Go read up on your lore and then return, because nobody is interested in educating you while you go "NOOO, NOO IT ISN'T TRUE I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO.".

Your the one being completely ignorant of any lore to justify getting frostmourne as a transmog, a transmog in WoW is just the same as using the weapon itself.

[Yarathir]

glaives are already obtainable, your talking about something not obtainable ingame and something blizz will never put into game, fact is frostmourne was never made for deathknights, it was made for the lich king who is not a deathknight. First person to ever use the weapon was a paladin.



Your the one being completely ignorant of any lore to justify getting frostmourne as a transmog, a transmog in WoW is just the same as using the weapon itself.

Keep plugging your ears. You're really not worth the word count that myself and many other people have wasted on you.



Frostmourne for Death Knight transmog option in Shadowlands!

[kenn9530]

Keep plugging your ears. You're really not worth the word count that myself and many other people have wasted on you.



Frostmourne for Death Knight transmog option in Shadowlands!

your the one wasting time as its never going to happen

[Yarathir]

your the one wasting time as its never going to happen

Thanks for your contribution to the thread topic.

Frostmourne for Death Knight transmog option in Shadowlands!

[rhorle]

glaives are already obtainable, your talking about something not obtainable ingame and something blizz will never put into game, fact is frostmourne was never made for deathknights, it was made for the lich king who is not a deathknight. First person to ever use the weapon was a paladin.

Arthas is considered a Death Knight. There are many sources refrencing him as a Death Knight after falling to the corruption of the Lich King. It doesn't matter if Frostmourne was made specifically for Death Knights. The Glaives of Azzinoth were not made specifically for Demon hunters either. Again you create special rules that only apply when they support your argument and are ignored in order to support your argument. Also the first person to use Frostmourne was Ner'zhul so technically it wasn't a paladin either. But that doesn't matter. Because the Warglaives of Azzinoth were taken from a Demon by Illidan. So demon hunters can have an iconic weapon not first used by a demon hunter but Death Knights can not?

A transmog in WoW is not the same as using the weapon itself. Because you don't get any of the stats or special effects attached to the weapon. You only get the model of the weapon. When 8.3 launches I can transmog to Dragonwrath but I will not be able to turn into the mount unless I equip the actual weapon. Transmog is essentially an out of lore mechanic but given a semi-lore based explanation through the Ethereal and "magic".

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So with all this in mind, I think it pretty clear that not only could the Blades of the Fallen Prince consume souls, but Apocalypse and Maw of the Damned were also capable of this soul feeding ability.

Not necessarily. It could easily be independent of the weapons themselves. We collect souls for Bwonsamdi with just a "magic bond". It could very well be the same type of thing in this case. The creation of the forge is said to the result of years of work and an evolution of a rune forge. You don't create something that has to rely on specific weapons you didn't know you were going to get.

It is more likely that it is a general "death knight" thing to trap souls and then use those to fuel their magics. In the quotes it states you infuse the resources you've gathered with the souls you've claimed. Resources would seem to be the "nebulous" artifact power with the Souls being claimed through Death Knight stuff rather then specific to the weapons for the reasons I referenced above.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Hero%27s_Weapon_(warlock)

The Warlock line also references "resources" combined with another resource that is class specific in this case demons. But none of the weapons actually subjugate demons as an ability. I am going to guess that all order halls follow a similar format that doesn't rely on the actual weapons themselves to gather the class specific resource.

[3DTyrant]

Prison for Sylvanas. Prison for the Jailer. We've clearly got the possibility to use the forge which created the crown, armor, and blade to recreate them if we -- or Bolvar -- so chose.

You don't really need Frostmourne specifically for that though. A weapon with similar abilities would work just fine, hell the Blades of the Fallen Prince would've technically worked due to it being forged from the shards of Frostmourne had its powers not be drained into Sargaras' sword.

In saying that though, could someone remind me if the Blades of the Fallen Prince just regualar swords now, or would they somehow retain the soul sucking-ness of Frostmourne after that event?

[Alexandyr]

Not necessarily. It could easily be independent of the weapons themselves. We collect souls for Bwonsamdi with just a "magic bond". It could very well be the same type of thing in this case. The creation of the forge is said to the result of years of work and an evolution of a rune forge. You don't create something that has to rely on specific weapons you didn't know you were going to get.

It is more likely that it is a general "death knight" thing to trap souls and then use those to fuel their magics. In the quotes it states you infuse the resources you've gathered with the souls you've claimed. Resources would seem to be the "nebulous" artifact power with the Souls being claimed through Death Knight stuff rather then specific to the weapons for the reasons I referenced above.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/A_Hero%27s_Weapon_(warlock)

The Warlock line also references "resources" combined with another resource that is class specific in this case demons. But none of the weapons actually subjugate demons as an ability. I am going to guess that all order halls follow a similar format that doesn't rely on the actual weapons themselves to gather the class specific resource.

It's referenced in the weapons itself in Keeping Your Edge by Corvus.

"Ah this weapon is amazing! Do you see the souls of the damned dancing along its edge? Oh how they scream for release!"

While, yes, trapping souls has been something of a Death Knight thing since at least MoP, this line directly references them being trapped in whatever weapon you bring to Corvus for the Soul Forge. Which, in this case, would mean that perhaps it's not an ability of the Blades themselves, but of the Knight who wields it. And in that light, then it means that death knight forged runeblades in general have the capacity for capturing and containing souls harvested from dead enemies. It's not the first time we've seen this. In forging Shadowmourne, Darion tasks us with capturing the souls of the Scourge within Icecrown. Which would not make the Soul Forge arbitrary, as at that point Corvus was designing something to assist with all death knight rune weapons.

And with that in mind, using the soul sucking reason to eliminate Forstmourne as a potential transmog option goes out the window. If death knights have been using souls to help shape their blades, souls that they capture within their own weapons, then there is nothing to say that Frostmourne is special in this regard any longer.

[kenn9530]

Arthas is considered a Death Knight. There are many sources refrencing him as a Death Knight after falling to the corruption of the Lich King. It doesn't matter if Frostmourne was made specifically for Death Knights. The Glaives of Azzinoth were not made specifically for Demon hunters either. Again you create special rules that only apply when they support your argument and are ignored in order to support your argument. Also the first person to use Frostmourne was Ner'zhul so technically it wasn't a paladin either. But that doesn't matter. Because the Warglaives of Azzinoth were taken from a Demon by Illidan. So demon hunters can have an iconic weapon not first used by a demon hunter but Death Knights can not?

A transmog in WoW is not the same as using the weapon itself. Because you don't get any of the stats or special effects attached to the weapon. You only get the model of the weapon. When 8.3 launches I can transmog to Dragonwrath but I will not be able to turn into the mount unless I equip the actual weapon. Transmog is essentially an out of lore mechanic but given a semi-lore based explanation through the Ethereal and "magic".

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How am i creating special rules, the glaives are just dropped from a doomguard commander nothing really special and illidan was the first demon hunter, but you can obtain the glaives as long you can wield them and a demon hunter has to aquire the warglaive first before they can get the transmog. Frostmourne is gone, pretty much every other weapon you can transmog you can still obtain.

[Radazar]

so how about this lets look at this two was a lore/real life thing and a game thing.

the lore thing is, how would the people that lived thru the rule of arthas, who seen the horrors of what that man did with the sword, feel seeing some random DK running around town with a sword that takes control of the person who holds it.

the game part is, while yes they could give it to us a transmog but if they did why should it be for only dk? and why would they give you the look for free, the only transmog i can think of that you are givin for free now is the old naxx legendary and thats just because it was in game and you cant get it.

[rhorle]

How am i creating special rules, the glaives are just dropped from a doomguard commander nothing really special and illidan was the first demon hunter, but you can obtain the glaives as long you can wield them and a demon hunter has to aquire the warglaive first before they can get the transmog. Frostmourne is gone, pretty much every other weapon you can transmog you can still obtain.

The warglaives of azzinoth can be combined into a single weapon and Illidan has the ability to summon them to him. They are "special". Also it doesn't matter if they are special or not because this is about being iconic or not. You claimed that the Warglaives are iconic to demon hunters while denying that Frostmourne is iconic to Death Knights. The rules you applied to Death Knights were not being applied to Demon Hunters.

Arthas was the first of the "modern" death knights. The Death Knight class is modeled after him and directly created by him. Again you apply special rules to Death Knights that you are ignoring in Demon Hunters.

You keep repeating that Frostmourne is gone. Of course it is. That doesn't stop it from being an iconic weapon or possible to be added into the game for transmog purposes. We can still transmog artifacts and all of their power is gone with at least one literally gone (Xal'atath). You keep applying special rules and ignoring them when convenient to your argument.

[Kaver]

your the one wasting time as its never going to happen

You're*

/10char

[kenn9530]

You're*

/10char

proper use of the english language is irrelevant

[Kaver]

proper use of the english language is irrelevant

I do not agree.

[Yarathir]

so how about this lets look at this two was a lore/real life thing and a game thing.

the lore thing is, how would the people that lived thru the rule of arthas, who seen the horrors of what that man did with the sword, feel seeing some random DK running around town with a sword that takes control of the person who holds it.

the game part is, while yes they could give it to us a transmog but if they did why should it be for only dk? and why would they give you the look for free, the only transmog i can think of that you are givin for free now is the old naxx legendary and thats just because it was in game and you cant get it.

The reaction to a player wielding Frostmourne was already done in Legion.

And it should be a DK only transmog because it's an iconic Death Knight weapon that turns its wielder undead.

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proper use of the english language is irrelevant

Well, you're incorrigible when it comes to everything else, so may as well try to correct your use of English and hope you learn something.

[kenn9530]

I do not agree.

that's your opinion but the proper usage is only needed if it's the job you have, otherwise you just look like an ass attempting to correct people.

The reaction to a player wielding Frostmourne was already done in Legion.

And it should be a DK only transmog because it's an iconic Death Knight weapon that turns its wielder undead.

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Well, you're incorrigible when it comes to everything else, so may as well try to correct your use of English and hope you learn something.

“Whomsoever takes up this blade shall wield power eternal. Just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit.”

the inscription say's it all, anyone could wield the weapon, its not a DK specific weapon and that's 100% fact, the curse on the weapon makes it impossible for anyone to wield it safely.

The weapon was made for the lich king and the first lich king was never a deathknight.

[Kaver]

that's your opinion but the proper usage is only needed if it's the job you have, otherwise you just look like an ass attempting to correct people.

It's important to correct it no matter what. You might think that I'm an ass, but I did it to help you. Otherwise it can quickly become a bad habit that will transfer to your professional life.