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  1. #981
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    Well, it'd have to be obtainable first... Don't get ahead of yourselves.
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  2. #982
    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    Needed someone to take up Frostmourne in order for them to become his champion and ultimately free him from the throne. Helm of Domination is what controls the scourge, otherwise Bolvar would of been unable to keep them in check. The Helms power wasn't sealed away otherwise it wouldn't work at all.
    I never said the Helm of Domination does not control the scourge. This is the second time you've brought up something irrelevant and never said. The Helm of Domination still worked while sealed away because Ner'zhul was able to use it to control the scourge. I mean do you even know the lore you keep defending? Champion is the same as Surrogate. Frostmourne was key to getting the slave he needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    I never said the Helm of Domination does not control the scourge. This is the second time you've brought up something irrelevant and never said. The Helm of Domination still worked while sealed away because Ner'zhul was able to use it to control the scourge. I mean do you even know the lore you keep defending? Champion is the same as Surrogate. Frostmourne was key to getting the slave he needed.
    "And part of its abilities was binding the user to the will of the Lich King." Frostmourne did not turn Arthas. You're implying that Frostmourne bounded Arthas to Ner'zhul which isn't the case. Arthas was already willingly following Ner'zhul and had pretty free reign on what he wanted to do until Ner'zhul needed Arthas in Northrend where it became a fight for survival.

    Do you? Cause you kept trying to tell me Illidan spell was a direct attack, the crack wasn't the cause of Lich King getting weak, thought KJ wanted to bring LK back into the fold. I never refuted surrogate/champion whatever you wanna call it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    Part of Ner'zhuls soul was placed inside the blade.
    i never read a thing about that, neither the wiki or chronicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    i never read a thing about that, neither the wiki or chronicles.
    I mean, you fight the echos of Ner'zhul and Arthas in the shards of Frostmourne.

    Also, "When Ner'zhul was transformed into the Lich King by Kil'jaeden, his disembodied spirit was shackled to a magical suit of armor, as well as the runeblade Frostmourne"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    I mean, you fight the echos of Ner'zhul and Arthas in the shards of Frostmourne.
    they are echos for a reason, just echos, never is sated part of his soul was in the blade, his will yes, his magic power yes, his essence? maybe, but nothing about soul;

    Also, "When Ner'zhul was transformed into the Lich King by Kil'jaeden, his disembodied spirit was shackled to a magical suit of armor, as well as the runeblade Frostmourne"
    yep, they were chains, not vessels of his soul, his soul was inside the helm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    Frostmourne did not turn Arthas. You're implying that Frostmourne bounded Arthas to Ner'zhul which isn't the case. Arthas was already willingly following Ner'zhul and had pretty free reign on what he wanted to do until Ner'zhul needed Arthas in Northrend where it became a fight for survival. Do you? Cause you kept trying to tell me Illidan spell was a direct attack, the crack wasn't the cause of Lich King getting weak, thought KJ wanted to bring LK back into the fold. I never refuted surrogate/champion whatever you wanna call it.
    Frostmourne is what binded Arthas to the Lich King. Arthas was not willingly following the Lich King prior to taking up Frostmourne. He was being led to it and tricked into taking up the blade. The crack was caused by Illidan's spell and not by the Lich King getting weaker. You are also refuting surrogate/champion/whatever by claiming that Frostmourne did not turn Arthas.
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    Sure go ahead. Weak weapon built by defeated minions, wielded by defeated minions of defeated lords of said minions. Might aswell wave a bundle of noodles around.

  9. #989
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    they are echos for a reason, just echos, never is sated part of his soul was in the blade, his will yes, his magic power yes, his essence? maybe, but nothing about soul;



    yep, they were chains, not vessels of his soul, his soul was inside the helm.
    "When Ner'zhul was transformed into the Lich King by Kil'jaeden, his disembodied spirit was shackled to a magical suit of armor, as well as the runeblade Frostmourne" Spirit is the same as a soul here.

    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    Frostmourne is what binded Arthas to the Lich King. Arthas was not willingly following the Lich King prior to taking up Frostmourne. He was being led to it and tricked into taking up the blade. The crack was caused by Illidan's spell and not by the Lich King getting weaker. You are also refuting surrogate/champion/whatever by claiming that Frostmourne did not turn Arthas.
    Willingly and knowingly are two different things. Arthas wasn't the same person as he was at the start of the campaign, he slowly fell and continued the path of his own choices culminating into become a Death Knight of his own choice. He willingly went down the route Ner'zhul set for him.

    The crack was worsened by Illidan's spell, which was a giant earthquake meant to destory Icecrown. It unintentionally worsened the crack. That's my point. That's the lore. You've refuted saying it was a direct attack on the Lich King himself. Frostmourne didn't turn Arthas, Arthas became who he was by his own choices. That's why Arthas is a tragic hero, he started off doing everything with good intentions but that led to his downfall. That's why Arthas became one of the most beloved warcraft characters created. No, Frostmourne did not really turn Arthas. Arthas turned himself into it willingly.

    Frostmourne was nothing but a tool in this regard to make Arthas a death knight.

    I've never ever have said the crack worsened because the Lich King became weaker. Stop making shit up. I've said that Ner'zhul created the crack, Illidan's spell made it worse and because of that Ner'zhul became weaker and started dieing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    "When Ner'zhul was transformed into the Lich King by Kil'jaeden, his disembodied spirit was shackled to a magical suit of armor, as well as the runeblade Frostmourne" Spirit is the same as a soul here.
    Note he used the word Shackled, the suit and the sword are shackles, chains, not vessels of his soul, his soul was not inside any of those artifacts but his spirit was imprisoned by those chains

  11. #991
    Quote Originally Posted by Tiwack View Post
    Well, it'd have to be obtainable first... Don't get ahead of yourselves.
    Yup. But it can just exist as a dressing room transmog option you can unlock, without being a physical item you get in your bags.

    Similar to the Army of the Light weaponry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Note he used the word Shackled, the suit and the sword are shackles, chains, not vessels of his soul, his soul was not inside any of those artifacts but his spirit was imprisoned by those chains
    Spirit; the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

    "Upon entering one of the portals, Ner'zhul and his followers were immediately captured by Kil'jaeden. The Elder Shaman was torn apart, though his spirit was kept alive. Agreeing to enter into the service of the demon once more, Ner'zhul's spirit was bound to the Helm of Domination and trapped inside the Frozen Throne."

    Part of his soul was put into Frostmourne to make him more compliant to the will of the Legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    Spirit; the nonphysical part of a person which is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

    "Upon entering one of the portals, Ner'zhul and his followers were immediately captured by Kil'jaeden. The Elder Shaman was torn apart, though his spirit was kept alive. Agreeing to enter into the service of the demon once more, Ner'zhul's spirit was bound to the Helm of Domination and trapped inside the Frozen Throne."

    Part of his soul was put into Frostmourne to make him more compliant to the will of the Legion.
    Again, there is nothing in what you put here who says or imply his soul or part of it was in frostmourne, this is just projecting

    his soul was inside the helm, he was shackles by the armor and the sword within the block of ice

    Sword and armor were chains not vessels

  14. #994
    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    Again, there is nothing in what you put here who says or imply his soul or part of it was in frostmourne, this is just projecting

    his soul was inside the helm, he was shackles by the armor and the sword within the block of ice

    Sword and armor were chains not vessels
    The echo of his soul/spirit had to originate from somewhere, or do you think their souls jumped from the helm to the sword at some point during the fight?

    Do you think he had a physical body while encased and the armor kept him from moving? His spirit was bounded/chained/shackled inside the Helm (part of the armor) and Frostmourne. This is literally a fact. Show me where it says otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glazey View Post
    The echo of his soul/spirit had to originate from somewhere, or do you think their souls jumped from the helm to the sword at some point during the fight?
    Echos are just echos, memories of Arthas

    Do you think he had a physical body while encased and the armor kept him from moving? His spirit was bounded/chained/shackled inside the Helm (part of the armor) and Frostmourne. This is literally a fact. Show me where it says otherwise.
    Again, there is nothing, literally nothing, saying his soul was inside the sword or the plate, its everything inside the helm

    The Helm of Domination was crafted at the Forge of Domination by the demons of the Burning Legion both for containing the spirit of Ner'zhul and granting him his Lich King powers. The helm, and Ner'zhul's spirit, were sealed within the Frozen Throne from which the Scourge was controlled telepathically over a long distance, forcing it to obey the wearer's wil

  16. #996
    Frostmourne transmog would be a great reward. I would love a mage tower like challenge for Frostmourne that scales with gear and level.

  17. #997
    The fact is, WoW is quickly becoming irrelevant, and absolutely anything they could do to excite players is something they should consider. Frostmourne would, for a great many players (myself included), be a pretty compelling carrot on a stick. Make its acquisition brutally difficult, and even time-consuming if need be, but I think its addition would benefit the game as a whole.

    That is, unless they mean to bring in back in the STORY. If they bring back Arthas (which seems likely) and decide to have him wield Frostmourne again (which seems doubtful), I think that would be a valid reason not to allow players to wield it. More likely, though, they'll never again reference Frostmourne in any meaningful capacity, since it is now completely irrelevant. So why not allow Death Knights to reforge it?

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    Consider that step 1 complete.

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