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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    none of what i have said has been debunked at all, arthas was first a paladin, then became a DK for a short while and then became the lich king, the lich king is not a deathknight they are a necromancer. Why would bolvar want to use a cursed weapon if it still was intact, he was also tortured by arthas for a long time.

    If frostmourne was a transmog then any class that can wield it would have reason to have a claim on it, its not a deathknight only weapon.



    when arthas put on the helm he was no longer a deathknight, he fused with nerzul and became the lich king of which is a necromancer as a deathknights power of insufficient to maintain and control untold millions of undead.
    So what you're saying is that Arthas wielded Frostmourne BEFORE he became the Lich King? As in, when he was still a DEATH KNIGHT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrimReaper673 View Post
    So what you're saying is that Arthas wielded Frostmourne BEFORE he became the Lich King? As in, when he was still a DEATH KNIGHT?
    he wielded frostmourne when he was a paladin so being a deathknight afterwards means very little, its a weapon for use by the lich king.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beet View Post
    LOL. The first Lich King was a fucking block of ice surrounding armor with a living spirit inside it. Give me a break. It was said Arthas would be the one to wield the blade. And as he was a DK that would mean it was made for a death knight.

    Granted I’m against this being transmoggable. No legendary weapon should be.

    But of course things will change in Shadowlands because the current team can’t stand leaving things in the past and want to retcon it all. We’re going to “learn” about its creator and more bullshit in Shadowlands. So I expect something absurd like a new furry Vulpera chick was chosen by Elune to craft the blade and got tricked by The Jailor into using materials that turned it into Frostmourne with an evil spirit lurking inside.
    he wielded the weapon as a paladin first, becoming a deathknight was only a middlestep to becoming the lich king
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    he wielded frostmourne when he was a paladin so being a deathknight afterwards means very little, its a weapon for use by the lich king.
    when he get the sword he pretty much became the first dk, so its DK only like the glaives are, despise being a dumb weapon that anybody could wield


    it make sense to Frostmourne being DK only if it come as a transmog option, unlike Shadowmourne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    when he get the sword he pretty much became the first dk, so its DK only like the glaives are, despise being a dumb weapon that anybody could wield


    it make sense to Frostmourne being DK only if it come as a transmog option, unlike Shadowmourne.
    he was not the first DK, the first deathknights were created by guldan for the first war using the souls of warlocks implanted into corpses in the first great war which was 30 years before the rise of the lich king, runeblades like frostmourne are not solely used by deathknights, infact runeblades have existed for thousands of years just not many were made.

    Glaives are just some random scrub weapon dropped from a highranking demon so they are not even special, frostmourne#s only purpose is to be used by the lich king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    he was not the first DK, the first deathknights were created by guldan for the first war using the souls of warlocks implanted into corpses in the first great war
    those Death knights were totally different from the DK of the scourge

    the first ones were dk just in name, they were more like acolytes/necromancers, the first one DK we know, the modern ones, is Arthas

    Glaives are just some random scrub weapon dropped from a highranking demon so they are not even special, frostmourne#s only purpose is to be used by the lich king.
    Illidan have the almost same weight in the lore as Arthas, frostmourne have the same weight of the ashbringer and the doomhammer.

    And frostmourne is already our weapon, we just got the butter knife version, there is nothing wrong in reforging for transmog purposes

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    he wielded frostmourne when he was a paladin so being a deathknight afterwards means very little, its a weapon for use by the lich king.



    he wielded the weapon as a paladin first, becoming a deathknight was only a middlestep to becoming the lich king
    Actually he turned into a Death Knight when he took on the Frostmourne. The novels have made that clear if WC3 didn’t do a good enough job.

    And you make it sound like being the Lich King is separate from being a Death Knight. He’s still a Death Knight when he’s The Lich King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beet View Post
    Actually he turned into a Death Knight when he took on the Frostmourne. The novels have made that clear if WC3 didn’t do a good enough job.

    And you make it sound like being the Lich King is separate from being a Death Knight. He’s still a Death Knight when he’s The Lich King.
    The lich king a a complete seperate entity from a deathknight, the only deathknight powers he uses are from the weapon itself, he doesnt completely lose his soul until he has killed malganis and thats according to the lore, if he lost his soul straight away he would of just killed everything in his path from the get go.

    Arthas was not really even a true deathknight all he did was become undead while wielding a runeblade and only used the powers the runeblade held, you dont retain the powers of a runeblade if you no longer posses the weapon, frostmourne had a range of 1 mile.

    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    those Death knights were totally different from the DK of the scourge

    the first ones were dk just in name, they were more like acolytes/necromancers, the first one DK we know, the modern ones, is Arthas



    Illidan have the almost same weight in the lore as Arthas, frostmourne have the same weight of the ashbringer and the doomhammer.

    And frostmourne is already our weapon, we just got the butter knife version, there is nothing wrong in reforging for transmog purposes
    The weapons are completely different, unless your the lich king then you dont deserve to wield it, and some tooth pick work around weapons dont mean your wielding frostmourne as they dont even have the same powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    The weapons are completely different, unless your the lich king then you dont deserve to wield it, and some tooth pick work around weapons dont mean your wielding frostmourne as they dont even have the same powers.
    thats bullshit, we already wield a stronger version of the frostmourne, why can't we have the appearance of it? nonsense blades of the fallen prince are literally stronger than frostmourne.

    Arthas was not really even a true deathknight
    he is stated as the very first death knight, he is a true death knight, and his skills in warcraft 3 prove that
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    100%. Should be a quest to reforge it at the forge in Torghast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    thats bullshit, we already wield a stronger version of the frostmourne, why can't we have the appearance of it? nonsense blades of the fallen prince are literally stronger than frostmourne.



    he is stated as the very first death knight, he is a true death knight, and his skills in warcraft 3 prove that
    its only stronger just to fit the story in the game but it doesnt have all the powerful abilities frostmourne has, raising undead dragons and such. Frostmourne lay entire armies to waste while blades of the fallen are no more than swords with ice powers.

    It says nowhere he was the first deathknight, he didnt use any deathknight abilities bar the ones that frostmourne possesed so you dont just learn all these abilities because you wield a runeblade, all deathknights were created, all arthas did was become undead while using a runeblade and then became the lich king, he is undead and a knight so only by definition can be called a deathknight, without frostmourne he would of just been another undead. The skills he posses are all from the runeblade, how else do you think he could lay waste to entire armies after obtaining frostmourne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    It says nowhere he was the first deathknight
    He is the first of those types of Death Knights. All Death Knights we have in game are modeled after Arthas and were created by Arthas in his own image. You are also contradicting yourself now. Earlier in this thread you claimed Arthas was a death knight for a "little bit" then became the Lich King. It is funny how you modify your arguments based on how you need to respond. Arthas was became a Death Knight. Not merely an "Undead Knight". An Undead Knight would be the same as a living Knight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    its only stronger just to fit the story in the game but it doesnt have all the powerful abilities frostmourne has, raising undead dragons and such. Frostmourne lay entire armies to waste while blades of the fallen are no more than swords with ice powers.

    It says nowhere he was the first deathknight, he didnt use any deathknight abilities bar the ones that frostmourne possesed so you dont just learn all these abilities because you wield a runeblade, all deathknights were created, all arthas did was become undead while using a runeblade and then became the lich king, he is undead and a knight so only by definition can be called a deathknight, without frostmourne he would of just been another undead. The skills he posses are all from the runeblade, how else do you think he could lay waste to entire armies after obtaining frostmourne.
    You literally raise a red dragon in the DK mount quest. If the power came from the death knight instead of their weapons, why the fuck would Arthas need Frostmourne to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    He is the first of those types of Death Knights. All Death Knights we have in game are modeled after Arthas and were created by Arthas in his own image. You are also contradicting yourself now. Earlier in this thread you claimed Arthas was a death knight for a "little bit" then became the Lich King. It is funny how you modify your arguments based on how you need to respond. Arthas was became a Death Knight. Not merely an "Undead Knight". An Undead Knight would be the same as a living Knight.
    he is only by definition a death knight, im not contradicting myself at all, the powers he even wields is from frostmourne so is not really a deathknight at all, you cant become a deathknight just by wielding a runeblade and becomming undead, all the power arthas ever wielded before becomming the lich king is from frostmourne, then he fused with a necromancer but still only really used the powers frostmourne wielded.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrimReaper673 View Post
    You literally raise a red dragon in the DK mount quest. If the power came from the death knight instead of their weapons, why the fuck would Arthas need Frostmourne to do it?
    the quest never mentions once the use of frostmourne or the weapons themselves raising the dragon, as the deathlord you should be powerful enough to occasionally raise a powerful undead. It states nowhere that the blades of the fallen posses any other abilities other than the frost powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    The lich king a a complete seperate entity from a deathknight, the only deathknight powers he uses are from the weapon itself, he doesnt completely lose his soul until he has killed malganis and thats according to the lore, if he lost his soul straight away he would of just killed everything in his path from the get go.

    Arthas was not really even a true deathknight all he did was become undead while wielding a runeblade and only used the powers the runeblade held, you dont retain the powers of a runeblade if you no longer posses the weapon, frostmourne had a range of 1 mile.



    The weapons are completely different, unless your the lich king then you dont deserve to wield it, and some tooth pick work around weapons dont mean your wielding frostmourne as they dont even have the same powers.
    I think you should read up on WoW novels as well as replay WC3 man. I mean no offense, but what you're saying is actually the opposite of what Blizzard has said with their lore.

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    I think you should read up on WoW novels as well as replay WC3 man. I mean no offense, but what you're saying is actually the opposite of what Blizzard has said with their lore.
    I think it is you who is mistaken, WC3 for one only uses 4 abilities all from after getting frostmourne, and every single bit about deathknights is about them being created by someone else, arthas was not created to be a deathknight, all he did was become undead and use the powers frostmourne which doesnt make you a real deathknight, if he then spent years training and learning deathknight abilities then yes but he became the lich king and it doesnt look like he did any training at all because frostmourne had all the power he required.

    First deathknights were infused with the souls of warlocks into corpses of death knights, current deathknights were created by the lich king and had a place to train and develop those abilities, being undead and using a runeblade does not make you a deathknight.

    Arthas is an undead knight so only a deathknight because thats the closest comparrison and using frostmourne grants him abilities some deathknights would learn, without frostmourne he would only have access to deathknight abilities if he actually learnt them.
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    If something, Shadowmourne should only be a DK transmog.

    I can not transmog warglaives on my DK, cause it is a DH only.

    Ok, so I want Shadowmourne to be a DK only ppff, absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    its only stronger just to fit the story in the game but it doesnt have all the powerful abilities frostmourne has, raising undead dragons and such. Frostmourne lay entire armies to waste while blades of the fallen are no more than swords with ice powers.

    It says nowhere he was the first deathknight, he didnt use any deathknight abilities bar the ones that frostmourne possesed so you dont just learn all these abilities because you wield a runeblade, all deathknights were created, all arthas did was become undead while using a runeblade and then became the lich king, he is undead and a knight so only by definition can be called a deathknight, without frostmourne he would of just been another undead. The skills he posses are all from the runeblade, how else do you think he could lay waste to entire armies after obtaining frostmourne.
    We did raise a dragon... anyway you nerds are overthinking this big time.

    The thing is, over these years couple of characters made the weapon part of that class archtype. Illidan using glaives, morgraine with ashbringer and arthas with frostmourne. Whether you like it or not it became THE iconic weapons representing the class.
    In legion we reforged frostmourne to help us what we need. We passed that time and shadowlands coming up and learn more about the scourge and its powers.. nothing will stop us.. in reforging it again and reforge it into a 2hand sword.

    If anything no lorebreaking or anything and no one is talking about how frostmourne used to be with arthas, we are already proffs and wielding it, making it a pure costumization option in the future obtained through a cool quest with maybe muradin and ghost arthas, just give what people want and stop the bullshitting, honestly ashbringer was a muxh bigger deal with every freaking paladin running with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    We did raise a dragon... anyway you nerds are overthinking this big time.

    The thing is, over these years couple of characters made the weapon part of that class archtype. Illidan using glaives, morgraine with ashbringer and arthas with frostmourne. Whether you like it or not it became THE iconic weapons representing the class.
    In legion we reforged frostmourne to help us what we need. We passed that time and shadowlands coming up and learn more about the scourge and its powers.. nothing will stop us.. in reforging it again and reforge it into a 2hand sword.

    If anything no lorebreaking or anything and no one is talking about how frostmourne used to be with arthas, we are already proffs and wielding it, making it a pure costumization option in the future obtained through a cool quest with maybe muradin and ghost arthas, just give what people want and stop the bullshitting, honestly ashbringer was a muxh bigger deal with every freaking paladin running with it.
    the raising of the dragon is not specific to the weapon its for all three specs, all three weapons do not share the same powers.

    In any case if frostmourne was reforged it wouldnt have the same powers so why would it be a DK only weapon since anyone who can use a 2h can wield it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shise View Post
    If something, Shadowmourne should only be a DK transmog.

    I can not transmog warglaives on my DK, cause it is a DH only.

    Ok, so I want Shadowmourne to be a DK only ppff, absurd.
    Well there are in game reasons why you can't use the warglaives, they were created before warglaives were a actual weapon so they were added in game as swords. Warglaives as of right now are weapons exclusive only to DH, which cheapens it if any melee combat class that can wield swords can wield the glaives.

    Not to mention DH had to literally farm them twice...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    We did raise a dragon... anyway you nerds are overthinking this big time.

    The thing is, over these years couple of characters made the weapon part of that class archtype. Illidan using glaives, morgraine with ashbringer and arthas with frostmourne. Whether you like it or not it became THE iconic weapons representing the class.
    In legion we reforged frostmourne to help us what we need. We passed that time and shadowlands coming up and learn more about the scourge and its powers.. nothing will stop us.. in reforging it again and reforge it into a 2hand sword.

    If anything no lorebreaking or anything and no one is talking about how frostmourne used to be with arthas, we are already proffs and wielding it, making it a pure costumization option in the future obtained through a cool quest with maybe muradin and ghost arthas, just give what people want and stop the bullshitting, honestly ashbringer was a muxh bigger deal with every freaking paladin running with it.
    I feel like I should like up one of those "but why" gifs....

    Why would a DK care? Why would they want to reforge it into Frostmorne? Best case scenario they have a pretty little toy which pales compared to the original version of it....worst case scenario Frostmorne is fully restored and corrupts the DK for evil...something tells me that DKs don't want to return to being pawns.

    There is literally no upside to it...just because some players want it for vanity doesn't mean it fits anywhere into the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenn9530 View Post
    the raising of the dragon is not specific to the weapon its for all three specs, all three weapons do not share the same powers.

    In any case if frostmourne was reforged it wouldnt have the same powers so why would it be a DK only weapon since anyone who can use a 2h can wield it.
    Man... this is a dk weapon no explanation needed. Why would it need the same powers? If it ever becomes available for players there is should be : requires death knight. Blizz made it a dk weapon and people remember as it is. Why would you let paladins or warriors wear it.. when the dk does have the blades already where warrior or paladin never had those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kithelle View Post
    Well there are in game reasons why you can't use the warglaives, they were created before warglaives were a actual weapon so they were added in game as swords. Warglaives as of right now are weapons exclusive only to DH, which cheapens it if any melee combat class that can wield swords can wield the glaives.

    Not to mention DH had to literally farm them twice...

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    I feel like I should like up one of those "but why" gifs....

    Why would a DK care? Why would they want to reforge it into Frostmorne? Best case scenario they have a pretty little toy which pales compared to the original version of it....worst case scenario Frostmorne is fully restored and corrupts the DK for evil...something tells me that DKs don't want to return to being pawns.

    There is literally no upside to it...just because some players want it for vanity doesn't mean it fits anywhere into the game.
    The blade was reforged into 2 blades we already have.
    Like i said no one would care or notice if the dk does reforge it. Reason: benefit what ever spec or he/she plays gameplays wise. Dont look to much into this.. people wsnt to wear it just like we are able to wear the glaived on dh with transmog and with 8.3 other legendary... if they allow us to do this in shadowlands it would be a cool.hook for dks.

    I am over explaning myself and there is no need for recreating the same evil power or what ever you on about. Once again we already used the blades in legion without any bad side effects as far as I am a ware.

    This would be a fanservice thing big time, non the les not one that would hurt at all.. frostmourne broke.. the helm broke so what is the lich king now anyway?? And if 2hand frost makes it return whybthe f not?

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