Different Speccs and Sim Outcome

[er4di]

Hi guys,

I played a lot m0 in the last days. Well, I keep simming my Character Everytime I get new items to always have the lastest stat weights (simbot). I use 3 minutes Patchwerk for Singletarget weighting and 3 Patchwerks with 1 minute for Aoe emulating.

My ilvl is currently at ~342 with 2 times revolving blades and one unbound chaos.

I usually play 1331212 and got pretty good numbers with it. Yesterday I got a bit shocked when I simmed 3211222 - it came out several percentages higher compared to the other build. Even on AoE. I cannot believe that, because longer eyebeam+Fel Barrage+immo should outdamage trial of ruin.

What is your experience, can you confirm that ?

[Cacstern]

This is something I need to try when I get home. I know 3211223 was my highest ST sim but 1331212 was my highest aoe by far. Havent tried 3211222. Do you have unbound chaos AT?

[er4di]

I only got one point unbound chaos and two points revolving blades

[Deleted]

fel barrage falls off on longer aoe fights compared to Trial

Did you try eye beam/immo/trial of ruin build?

Still find it hard to believe fel blade, demons bite, trial comes ahead on aoe tho

[Strifelol]

Hi guys,

I played a lot m0 in the last days. Well, I keep simming my Character Everytime I get new items to always have the lastest stat weights (simbot). I use 3 minutes Patchwerk for Singletarget weighting and 3 Patchwerks with 1 minute for Aoe emulating.

My ilvl is currently at ~342 with 2 times revolving blades and one unbound chaos.

I usually play 1331212 and got pretty good numbers with it. Yesterday I got a bit shocked when I simmed 3211222 - it came out several percentages higher compared to the other build. Even on AoE. I cannot believe that, because longer eyebeam+Fel Barrage+immo should outdamage trial of ruin.

What is your experience, can you confirm that ?

Not entirely sure why you're simming "AOE" the way you are, that's emulating more of a 3 boss cleave fight than a true AOE fight. I'll do some comparisons below so you can see.

If you do "HecticAddCleave" as your way of simming, which is the closest to true AOE, I got these results.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...AXPZuCanHX5KTQ

If we do it the way you did it, here are the results at exactly 1 minute:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...UdirgnNbKi4oGC

If you make the fight 1.3 mins these are the results:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...xYsUbuTpAjrTSd

As you can see from the results above, on a true AOE sim, Fel Barrage outperforms ToR by 17% in my gear. Now if you set it up as a patchwerk sim with 3 bosses making it more of a cleave sim than an AOE, ToR pulls ahead by 1.6%. If we take that same patchwerk sim with 3 bosses and change the time to 1.3 mins, Fel Barrage pulls ahead by 2.7%.

You have to understand that gear/sim time can make a huge difference in terms of results. Unless you know the EXACT kill time of a boss, the sims could change. Be very careful with this.

[iddqd]

... and therefore it is very, very hard to reliably sim for dungeons as you have so many different combat situations mixed up. I believe more than 75% of people just do a Patchwerk single target simulation and live with that.

[Strifelol]

... and therefore it is very, very hard to reliably sim for dungeons as you have so many different combat situations mixed up. I believe more than 75% of people just do a Patchwerk single target simulation and live with that.

Simming for dungeons seems pretty pointless lol Depending on M+ affixes for the week is mostly what you want to base your spec off of. Talents are pretty universal when it comes to AOE/ST.

[iddqd]

It's not only talents, but also gear.

[Strifelol]

It's not only talents, but also gear.

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[iddqd]

You also want to sim your top gear for mythic+ which is nigh impossible ^^

[Strifelol]

You also want to sim your top gear for mythic+ which is nigh impossible ^^

I'm just having trouble understanding what your point is :x? I apologize!

[iddqd]

Ok

You guys were talking about M0/M+ and simming. I added that simming for M+ is very hard to impossible because you have so many different types of combat. Only doing a single target patchwerk sim will net you no good.