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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I don't have a problem with companies shutting down right-wingers like Alex Jones as long as they are honest about their leftist bias as a company. But of course they're frauds, if people had known from the start what their bias was, would it still be as popular? Probably not. Facebook, Google etc. rose to fame masquerading as something they were not, open platforms. That's fraudulent in my view.
    oh god you actually made me laugh out loud. no they're not when their TOS are so purposely vague that they can enforce the rules how ever they see fit, you know who can tell them to stop that? the big bad gobnent. as it's been pointed out this is the difference between internet and social media.



    Taking down child porn is policing, not regulation.
    policing is another word for enforcing the law and in this case the law would be "no child porn" which is in fact, regulation. I should be surprised by this level on mental gymnastics but I'm not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I don't have a problem with companies shutting down right-wingers like Alex Jones as long as they are honest about their leftist bias as a company. But of course they're frauds, if people had known from the start what their bias was, would it still be as popular? Probably not. Facebook, Google etc. rose to fame masquerading as something they were not, open platforms. That's fraudulent in my view.

    Hopefully the truth is out now and they will fall soon.

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    Taking down child porn is policing, not regulation. No different than a cop on the street witnessing a crime in progress and stopping it.

    A full scale regulation of the Internet would be something like a curfew in real life and some streets being off limits to you even if you haven't been proven to have done anything wrong.
    So . . . because Facebook et al kicked off an extremist far right douchebag for violating their TOS by spewing lies and hatred, they're "leftist?"

    None of that, by the way, has to do with Net Neutrality, as Facebook, Twitter, etc are not ISPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Policing because of Law and Regulations.

    Which didn't happen with Net Neutrality.
    Just a reminder... if one hates MSNBC... Comcast is owned by NBC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Policing because of Law and Regulations.



    Which didn't happen with Net Neutrality.
    On the internet, the far right has been doing this for ages, been claiming that NN stands for something completely different. So they either fell to some rich asshole's propaganda or are just against it because 'to own the libs lulz'.
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    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Here's an option: Don't spend any resources on telling ISPs what to do about net neutrality
    You want ISP's to start Policing the internet?
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Here's an option: Don't spend any resources on telling ISPs what to do about net neutrality, divert all those resources to a stronger police presence on the dark web.
    Instead spend those resources telling Facebook what to do? You think NBC owned Comcast will make it easier to watch Fox News or MSNBC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    policing is another word for enforcing the law and in this case the law would be "no child porn" which is in fact, regulation. I should be surprised by this level on mental gymnastics but I'm not.
    Don't think there's a fundamental difference between a trade regulation dealing with mainly first world problems vs. a law based on the principle that can't you initiate force?

    If an ISP sucks, more can always take its place. The ISP doesn't owe you anything anyway. If a child is abused... not much the child can do about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    They're not going enough.

    Here's an option: Don't spend any resources on telling ISPs what to do about net neutrality, divert all those resources to a stronger police presence on the dark web.

    Government doesn't have unlimited money. It should spend what it has on its main functions: defense and combating the initiation of aggression/fraud
    If you think they are not doing enough, you just have no idea how the dark web works. Its not as easy as you think it is.


    And not making laws because they cost money? really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    Don't think there's a fundamental difference between a trade regulation dealing with mainly first world problems vs. a law based on the principle that can't you initiate force?

    If an ISP sucks, more can always take its place. The ISP doesn't owe you anything anyway. If a child is abused... not much the child can do about it.
    Then its turns out most ISPs have a monpoly/duo-monopoly

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milchshake View Post
    it’s mostly a syndicalist fantasy that “the workers” are going to rise up, which is disconnected from the fact that “the workers” are your racist uncle and jerk co-workers who you don’t like.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    The election has passed and 58 million working class Americans stood up and proved that they are in fact your racist uncle and jerk co-workers.
    They really can't help but show disdain for the working class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    You want ISP's to start Policing the internet?
    It makes no sense... how does giving MSM, like NBC, power to throttle or block content they don’t like through Comcast... help conservative causes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    If an ISP sucks, more can always take its place.
    Free Market will Fix Itself?
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    If an ISP sucks, more can always take its place. The ISP doesn't owe you anything anyway. If a child is abused... not much the child can do about it.
    Again, this doesn’t make any sense... how do you think Comcast ends up as rich as it is, while consecutively winning awards for worst service?

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Free Market will Fix Itself?
    Every ISP will run its own lines and infrastructure...
    Folly and fakery have always been with us... but it has never before been as dangerous as it is now, never in history have we been able to afford it less. - Isaac Asimov
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  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    If there's such a huge public outcry then I believe hundreds of millions of people can figure out a way to make a proper ISP.
    Yeah its called voting to elect representatives to pass legislation that creates nationwide public broadband.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    So . . . because Facebook et al kicked off an extremist far right douchebag for violating their TOS by spewing lies and hatred, they're "leftist?"

    None of that, by the way, has to do with Net Neutrality, as Facebook, Twitter, etc are not ISPs.
    I didn't say they were, now that said, they have engaged in a pattern of consistently targeting right-wing outlets.

    Mark Zuckerberg has also admitted recently that there's a leftist bias in many Silicon Valley tech companies. It would be fair if they had done this years ago when they first started. Even in a free market, fraud is still not allowed. You should be as honest as possible with your associates in any business venture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Free Market will Fix Itself?
    People in the free market fix it.

    Well, if they're not a nation of lazy people anyway. But if they're that damn lazy, then why should I trust the collective to regulate anything?

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    I didn't say they were, now that said, they have engaged in a pattern of consistently targeting right-wing outlets.
    Violating Company Policy, and being Toxic among other things is not Targeting Right-Wing outlets.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

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  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Violating Company Policy, and being Toxic among other things is not Targeting Right-Wing outlets.
    *whispers*actually it it is because right-wing outlets are inherently toxic propagandists

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    Quote Originally Posted by szechuan View Post
    Violating Company Policy, and being Toxic among other things is not Targeting Right-Wing outlets.
    If standards matter, Young Turks would be banned for harassing officer Darren Wilson. By any objective standard, that is what happened. They kept saying he was a racist murderer even though the courts say otherwise.

    Saying that Wilson is a racist murderer is the same level of conspiracy as saying Sandy Hook didn't happen and the parents are in on it.

    It also falls under targeted harassment policy.

  17. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    If standards matter, Young Turks would be banned for harassing officer Darren Wilson.
    Having a different opinion is not Harassment.
    Americans are the Chinese of the west. The main reason people tolerate them is because they are too big to ignore.

    "Admit nothing, deny everything, launch counterattack." - Roger Stone (Trump's Friend, Ally, and Campaign Advisor)

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    The ISP doesn't owe you anything anyway. If a child is abused... not much the child can do about it.
    and neither do social media platforms like FB or twitter. you are so fundamentally ignorant about what you're talking about and clearly have nothing to go on but some anarcho capitalist kool aid to quench your thirst. I mean you're the one who brought up taking down child porn but now you don't care if child porn is made? what. the. FUUUUUUUUUUCK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High View Post
    and neither do social media platforms like FB or twitter. you are so fundamentally ignorant about what you're talking about and clearly have nothing to go on but some anarcho capitalist kool aid to quench your thirst. I mean you're the one who brought up taking down child porn but now you don't care if child porn is made? what. the. FUUUUUUUUUUCK.
    No, they are bound by the non-aggression principle. They are also bound to not commit fraud by pretending to be something they're not.

    Btw, by banning Alex Jones, they lose a lot of ad revenus he pulls in. So they are acting against the interests of investors who want profit not ideology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunderaan View Post
    No, they are bound by the non-aggression principle. They are also bound to not commit fraud.
    Says who? THE GOVERNMENT?!

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