PSA: Just because you are enjoying BFA does not mean it does not have many issues.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Some things people have issues with are subjectives so thoses same issues don’t exist for every one.

[LaserChild9]

EDIT: in case it was not clear. I will repeat again.
Just because people have issues with the game as it is then it does not mean you shouldn't or can't enjoy it.
Nor does it mean if others don't enjoy it that they should or shut up about it.
That is not productive or constructive either.

Agreed. I am struggling to enjoy the game, I don't outright hate it, though I have a lot of issues with it, but my friends love it so it cant be all bad and I would not want to ruin anyone else fun by ranting about my peeves all the time. I have another 2 months game time so I am willing to keep trying and see how I feel about it then but theres no point me ranting or threatening to unsub, it solves nothing.

[OMGTwitchTV]

Not everything. A lot of it is personal opinions.
Assumptions only come up when people make claims.

BFA sucks - opinion
Here's what's broken about BfA - opinion since it does not affect everyone
Warfronts drop 340+ gear - Assumption, since it might not happen for everyone.
BFA lanched on 8/14 - fact, no assumption or opinion

Just because you enjoy A, B & C does not mean there are no problems like X, Y & Z. OPINION

I personally do not like the narrative at all this expansion. OPINION

Things are conveniently forgotten or happen. OPINION

Faction leaders behaving in idiotic manners. OPINION

stereotypical results as we have come to expect from blizzard regarding these two factions. OPINION

Or how irritatingly Kultiras looks like the size of Northrend on the map but is probably half its size at best. OPINION

Or how we are TOLD more than actually SHOWN. Horde has control of Kalimdor and warring with the NEs in a guerrilla war?! Amazing. Let me see that! Oh... its still cataclysm zones... ASSUMPTION

As you can see, none of these things are actually fact, save for my one example. So I stand behind my original statement.

[Noomz]

Oh, so you WERE one of those people.

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Nobody is saying that rofl.

So it's just about opinions stated as if they're indisputable facts? Much better.

[Toho]

BFA sucks - opinion
Here's what's broken about BfA - opinion since it does not affect everyone
Warfronts drop 340+ gear - Assumption, since it might not happen for everyone.
BFA lanched on 8/14 - fact, no assumption or opinion

As you can see, none of these things are actually fact, save for my one example. So I stand behind my original statement.

I agree with the opinions you pointed out in my answer but the last part is not an assumption.
I would argue it as fact and you could try to dismiss it as opinion but it is definitely not an assumption.
If anything your post proved there was more opinion posted here than assumptions.

"All players who complain continue to play" That's an assumption.
"There are no BFA related content on the world mentioned in mission tables. For example the re-taking of Gilneas as it is still empty since Cataclysm" That's a fact. But you could try to dismiss it as opinion by saying the mission tables are enough or "Just wait and see".

[Deleted]

Oh, so you WERE one of those people..

.... One of those people? Assumptions again.

I didnt say a damn word of praise on these forums or any regarding WoD, if you had bothered to read you'd also see that it's in my shitpile regarding expansions. The only thing I ever said anything good about was the questing experiance, the rest? Pure unrealised garbage, well decent raids.

My post was only a "what could have been", because WoD had alot of potential in it's setting, but it was all poorly executed and most of it just straight up cut from the expansion. There is a vast difference between that and what you seem to perceive as some sort of "everything was great" mentality.

I hated Legion, because I couldnt stand the zones and the story felt completely disconnected with only minor references to the legion actually being there. They said the legion would invade, and they showed it extremely poorly ingame.

But 7.3 changed alot for me, and I really enjoyed the last year of legion as a whole, the systems finally came together nicely.

BFA still has alot of potential, and from all I've read people aren't even bothering to think about what is coming down the line for it, they are just whining about what is there now. And well, I've gotten more than a month of entertainment from my purchase already. So I say money well spent, if they can keep it up, I'll just be happier.

[Khaza-R]

Works both ways.

I like BfA so far. However I also know it has many opportunities to make it better. The people who are upset with the game make some very valid points. Especially regarding bugs, Azerite rewards and class design.

However there are also those who do nothing but incessantly post meme responses. “Beta for Azeroth”, “BfA is WoD 2.0”, Etc. Those kind of responses are pointless and just make the complaint threads look whiny and immature. There’s really no point trying to have a discussion with said individuals

[OMGTwitchTV]

"There are no BFA related content on the world mentioned in mission tables. For example the re-taking of Gilneas as it is still empty since Cataclysm" That's a fact. But you could try to dismiss it as opinion by saying the mission tables are enough or "Just wait and see".

That's just it. On my RP realm, there are FIVE guilds who all operate out of Gilneas since they are Worgen guilds who are either militant or support. We never retook Gnomeregan either, at least not entirely. But claiming BFA is bad because we haven't incorporated Cata stuff into it is ridiculous. If BFA is bad, it's because there are technical glitches. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong with the content itself, merely the glitches.

[Lime]

Nobody is saying that rofl.

It's such a common thing in WoW's community. People don't bother reading the actual argument and instead try to change the opposing argument.

His response is a classic example of trying to look witty and failing spectacularly.

[Toho]

That's just it. On my RP realm, there are FIVE guilds who all operate out of Gilneas since they are Worgen guilds who are either militant or support. We never retook Gnomeregan either, at least not entirely. But claiming BFA is bad because we haven't incorporated Cata stuff into it is ridiculous. If BFA is bad, it's because there are technical glitches. In my OPINION, there is nothing wrong with the content itself, merely the glitches.

I disagree.
I have never heard of an expansion that tells you to imagine the content.
Battle for Azeroth? Where are the battles? Kalimdor and EK are at war? Where? Battle for Stromgarde is to secure a supply route to the war in retaking the old northern kingdoms? Awesome. Can I see this war? No? Back to Kultiras then... some more pirates need killing.
Because here I am escorting turtles rather than escorting refugees.

You see that's my complaint. Its an opinion.
You may disagree with it. That's fine.
But its not an assumption.

[Deleted]

Look as a casual player it's boring.. I have no interest in raiding anymore, I hop on the typical Thursday night clear once in a while but yeah... It's boring.

[Enan1981]

This post confuses me...

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

BREAKING: Games have good and bad parts.

I feel like you could just remove your entire OP and just have your bolded addendum and it'd be just fine.

[Dundebuns]

I wonder how many of the 'It's only beta!' people are now saying 'I'm alright Jack.' and are ignoring that there is a lot of very real criticisms out there that are potentially harmful to the game and the player base.

BFA has issues. Some really bad issues. You may not see them now because you are indeed having fun, but you'll feel them soon. Let's talk about it now before it gets pretty bad.

[Slowpoke is a Gamer]

I wonder how many of the 'It's only beta!' people are now saying 'I'm alright Jack.' and are ignoring that there is a lot of very real criticisms out there that are potentially harmful to the game and the player base.

BFA has issues. Some really bad issues. You may not see them now because you are indeed having fun, but you'll feel them soon. Let's talk about it now before it gets pretty bad.

It's got some terrible issues.

It's got some issues where I think the playerbase is honestly just being whiny needy children.

And it's got some good parts.

[riptal]

I can't believe I actually have to say this.

Just because you enjoy A, B & C does not mean there are no problems like X, Y & Z.

Can we stop these idiotic debates between these two groups of people and actually come together as a community to see what improvements can be made?
This is not a competition to see who is right.

I personally do not like the narrative at all this expansion.
Things are conveniently forgotten or happen.
Faction leaders behaving in idiotic manners.
stereotypical results as we have come to expect from blizzard regarding these two factions.
Or how irritatingly Kultiras looks like the size of Northrend on the map but is probably half its size at best.
Or how we are TOLD more than actually SHOWN. Horde has control of Kalimdor and warring with the NEs in a guerrilla war?! Amazing. Let me see that! Oh... its still cataclysm zones...

But.

Does that mean I did not enjoy the stories told in Kultiras or Zanadalar? Absolutely not. I found them perfectly enjoyable.
Does that negate what I mentioned earlier? Any sane person would say no.

EDIT: in case it was not clear. I will repeat again.
Just because people have issues with the game as it is then it does not mean you shouldn't or can't enjoy it.
Nor does it mean if others don't enjoy it that they should or shut up about it.
That is not productive or constructive either.

You are targeting the wrong people! There's way more people, specially on this forum, who hate and yell at everybody that BFA is trash and Wow is dead just because they don't like it. So can you at least let alone those who are a bit optimistic?

[Soon-TM]

PSA: Just because you have gripes does not mean that the game is dying or some other absurd bullshit. If the general approach to problems wasn't "GAME'S FUCKING TERRIBLE, M8" and rather more like "I think there's a problem here, guys, let me explain. What do you think?" we might get somewhere.

The problem is that even when your argument presented nicely, the (self appointed?) Blizzard Defense Squad comes in full force with BS like "cool, now unsub", "why are you still playing" and other niceties. Which begs the question about why being nice in the first place when it comes to criticizing.

Maybe because since 14 years we had seen more than enough posts like "Wow is dead" or "xxxx expac is Killing Wow". When you talk about objective and constructive and nicely presented arguments, it doesnt go well with majority of haters on this website. When people are whining, they don't go nicely!

In my experience, it doesn't go well with the white knights. Haters will hate, sure, but have you seen what the "opposite faction" is like, so to speak?

[riptal]

The problem is that even when your argument presented nicely, the (self appointed?) Blizzard Defense Squad comes in full force with BS like "cool, now unsub", "why are you still playing" and other niceties. Which begs the question about why being nice in the first place when it comes to criticizing.

Maybe because since 14 years we had seen more than enough posts like "Wow is dead" or "xxxx expac is Killing Wow". When you talk about objective and constructive and nicely presented arguments, it doesnt go well with majority of haters on this website. When people are whining, they don't go nicely!

[Soon-TM]

Not everything. A lot of it is personal opinions.
Assumptions only come up when people make claims.



Jesus I am have to deflect trolls than actually having a constructive discussion.
Maybe that's just your own insecurities? If you enjoy something does not mean others do as well.
And when they voice it, its not a personal attack towards you.

Don't get angry m8. You have to come to terms with the fact that there are a lot of people in these boards who have invested so much time, money and passion in the game that they can't imagine their livelihood without it. For them, it isn't a game, but rather a twisted sort of religion, so any criticism towards the game -founded or not- it's perceived as a personal attack. Hence the rampart fanboi trolling.

[re1gn1te]

Surely the people you want these people to come together with are the reverse side of the coin though who think BFA is 100% bad without accepting what's done right.

But in most regards I agree with what you're saying, I havn't seen such a disparity of opinion on the state / systems of a game for some time.

So what was done right?