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  • I was satisfied after watching the movie AVENGERS: ENDGAME™

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  • I wasn't satisfied after watching the movie AVENGERS: ENDGAME™

    126 16.84%
  1. #1741
    Quote Originally Posted by Fabinas View Post
    Smaller population and demographic coverage. Movies reach the whole world, comics much less so.
    You're right. I do find it perplexing tho, to go with a marketing tactic which basically failed in a previous market.

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    Did anyone else instantly think of the Legacy of the Void trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_XwzBMTJaM

    When Cap slowly stands up in the face of Thanos and his approaching army?

  3. #1743
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    This just isn’t true. Gay iceman has just started a new run and America has just been put on the west coast avengers. Not a single “diverse” hero has been canned.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...comics-1070616

    It's completely true. I never said any characters had been canned, I said they didn't perform well sales-wise. America and several characters who come under the same umbrella were consolidated into West Coast Avengers (which, by the way, has been cancelled) and this is Iceman's second series in 2 years. It sells terribly but I guess Marvel at least has to show willing.

    Honestly, I've no issue with diversity in comics. Fuck, I remember reading stuff as far back as the early 80's with Hopey and Maggie's trials and tribulations in Love & Rockets, Tristan's struggles in Camelot 3000 and Lord Fanny being kick-ass later in The Invisibles.

    I guess my initial statement may have been a little broad. Marvel seems to think if you have, say, a Gay character, that character is defined by that trait and that trait alone. This leads to stereotyping through bad writing.

  4. #1744
    I loved the movie, perfect finale for the MCU so far. Now lets see how they introduce the new avengers and what this could mean for the marvel series at netflix.

  5. #1745
    Quote Originally Posted by PPHH View Post
    Can’t seem to find anywhere, where people comment on this, but I had a huge problem with the Hulk. I was looking forward to a rematch, instead he was underwhelming imo.
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  6. #1746
    Quote Originally Posted by Maudib View Post
    LOL... but Disney care about those "other" ones..
    It doesn't need to be "other" ones. The existence of a multiverse with infinite universes (and the ability to travel between them bringing both items and people) means you have an infinite supply of heroes (and that's not even touching villains who may not be on board with Thanos's snap).

  7. #1747
    Quote Originally Posted by Highelf View Post
    Did anyone else instantly think of the Legacy of the Void trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_XwzBMTJaM

    When Cap slowly stands up in the face of Thanos and his approaching army?
    Nope. But I tend to think of the source material Blizz ripped from when I see their trailers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyberglum View Post
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...comics-1070616

    It's completely true. I never said any characters had been canned, I said they didn't perform well sales-wise. America and several characters who come under the same umbrella were consolidated into West Coast Avengers (which, by the way, has been cancelled) and this is Iceman's second series in 2 years. It sells terribly but I guess Marvel at least has to show willing.

    Honestly, I've no issue with diversity in comics. Fuck, I remember reading stuff as far back as the early 80's with Hopey and Maggie's trials and tribulations in Love & Rockets, Tristan's struggles in Camelot 3000 and Lord Fanny being kick-ass later in The Invisibles.

    I guess my initial statement may have been a little broad. Marvel seems to think if you have, say, a Gay character, that character is defined by that trait and that trait alone. This leads to stereotyping through bad writing.
    Starting multiple runs doesn’t mean any thing, Spider-Man marvels top seller started two new runs recently. The west coast avengers also had characters like Gwen pool and hawk eye who unlike America have been doing pretty decently. They are also going to be in superior Spider-Man so it’s not like there dead. Even then as far as the diversity list goes the characters who got the most backlash like riri and khan are still going and Sam cap and Jane Thor story’s came to there proper end as they were planned from the start.

    Of all the diverse characters America is really the only stand out you can find for being a failure which just reinforces them saying new characters are hard to get off the ground not that diverisy is a failure.

    I also can’t think of any gay character that is only defined by being gay in marvel. Iceman’s comics for example had him dealing with things like his relationship with his parents and there dislike of mutants him being gay was gotten over very quickly. Then there was his role as a teacher and him dealing with amp which had nothing to do with him being gay. And his fear of his mutanion turning him into an ice monster keeps popping up which again is unrelated to him being gay. Then there’s other characters like darrkin who isn’t defined by being gay, the two lesbians on the run aways who aren’t defined by it, a ton of gay/lesbians X-Men ect ect. Mabye America is but I haven’t read her comics and I can’t think of a single gay character who is.
    Last edited by Daemos daemonium; 2019-04-29 at 05:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daevied View Post
    I loved the movie, perfect finale for the MCU so far. Now lets see how they introduce the new avengers and what this could mean for the marvel series at netflix.
    Marvel is leaving Netflix i thought to go to Disney's streaming service. is it not?

  10. #1750
    Quote Originally Posted by vitor210 View Post
    Putting the Infinity Stones back into their respective timeline was necessary so as to not create "bad realities" just like the Ancient One told prof. Hulk; Mjolnir was also required , or else Thor wouldn't have any hammer to fight the dark elves in Thor 2. Reason why no one cared about Thanos and Thanos's army to be snapped away is because they're the bad guys and the universe is better off without them

    Well...
    2013's timeline : Thanos' whole army disappeared. But Ronan is still here and is still looking for the Power Stone, which will be left unattended and Gamora is no longer here to trigger all the events of Knowhere. Ronan still has a point in getting this stone, without Thanos, he actually has a chance to destroy Xandar and rule the galaxy by himself...
    2010's timeline : Hydra is convinced Captain works with them, and the Captain from this timeline has seen his twin stealing the scepter. Loki evaporated with the Tesseract. No way this timeline is not fucked up either, as Loki also triggers quite a great amount of bullshit (like Odin's fate).

    Quote Originally Posted by lollerlaban View Post
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    Remember he can only check for futures where he actually survives, just as the Ancient one said, she could only see what he did until she died hence her confusion as to why he gave the stone away.
    That's... tricky though. Because Dr Strange died in Infinity War. Could he see beyond this "temporary death" ?

  11. #1751
    Quote Originally Posted by Depakote View Post
    Marvel is leaving Netflix i thought to go to Disney's streaming service. is it not?
    Thats true, and maybe then the defenders might appear in one of the movies since theyll belong to disney, i dunno.

  12. #1752
    Just a reminder but all of the Netflix characters are tied into a non competition clause after Netflix/Disney cancelled the shows.

    "Would you please let me join your p-p-party?

  13. #1753
    I think it was a good movie all in all.

  14. #1754
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    That's... tricky though. Because Dr Strange died in Infinity War. Could he see beyond this "temporary death" ?
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    That's the tricky part because he's not really dead since he gets brought back to life. The reason he gives away the stone and perplexes the Ancient one is most likely since its the only scenario where they win as mentioned in IW, is where he do so.

    He could just be seeing up until his point where dies, then continues from when he gets resurrected

  15. #1755
    Quote Originally Posted by Daevied View Post
    Thats true, and maybe then the defenders might appear in one of the movies since theyll belong to disney, i dunno.
    The (current) Defenders are as dead as the (current) Xmen.
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    I don't get how people didn't see the ending, or a version of it, coming from a mile away, and are thus upset about it.

    I always thought that the snap would be reversed with Captain America doing it, and in the process killing him (or getting lost in time). I thought Tony Stark would live and continue to advise the Avengers to carry on Capt's legacy, but otherwise retire. The movie did it the opposite way, which is actually better. Capt should get his happy ending. And Iron Man saved the universe.

    But there was no version of this where the Avengers were going to walk away in in tact. Most of the Avengers actors have been shooting back to back, and done little more than Avengers movies, since the filming of Captain America: Winter Soldier. Asking for another 7 years of people's lives wasn't realistically a thing.

    It was a great movie, but losing the two faces of the franchise is going to be difficult to recover from. Brie Larson did a fine job in Captain Marvel (which was filmed after Endgame) but isn't another Chris Evans. Benedict Cumberbatch is a great actor, but not as constantly entertaining as RDJ. But to Marvel's credit, they fell into RDJ and Chris Evans. RDJ was a big risk for the first Iron Man (and was uninsurable or something). When Chris Evans was announced as Captain America, most people groaned and said "Human Torch... really?". Warner/DC tried to astroturf their superhero line up with Ben Affleck being the RDJ-esque front man for the group, and that didn't work at all (despite Affleck not being the problem).

    Whatever Phase 4 is going to be, it's going to have to be really different. If I were Marvel, I'd get to work on the Fantastic Four, real fast, and think hard about your Mr. Fantastic.
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    I'm confused as to how they can bring back Gamora from an alternate universe and there be no ramifications there but cannot bring back Iron Man, Cpt. America or Black Widow. Also fail to see how Dr. Strange willingly giving Thanos the Time Stone played into any of the story. Don't understand how Captain Marvel was suggested to be so central to beating Thanos but barely showed up for any of the movie.

  18. #1758
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I don't get how people didn't see the ending, or a version of it, coming from a mile away, and are thus upset about it.
    I think the main thing I'm surprised is that there is a "5 years later". I don't understand jumping to 2023 and still doing new movies like that going forward. The only surprise for me was I'd pegged Cap America as the Black Widow, but meh.

    This ending just seems to kick the MCU to the side for the next stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Depakote View Post
    Also fail to see how Dr. Strange willingly giving Thanos the Time Stone played into any of the story.
    He specifically said to Thanos "Spare his life, and I will give you the Time Stone" in reference to Tony, who ended up defeating Thanos.
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  20. #1760
    Quote Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus View Post
    He specifically said to Thanos "Spare his life, and I will give you the Time Stone" in reference to Tony, who ended up defeating Thanos.
    This. And he specifically said he saw all of the possible outcomes, meaning he saw all of the possible chains of events that occurred. The one winning scenario had him giving up the time stone, along with all of the chain of events that occurred afterward. We don't necessarily need to understand why, but know that Dr. Strange knows the exact outcome of events that need to occur to win. There may seem like there's an easier road to travel to victory, but there is not--because that was the only possible chain of events that won.
    Last edited by Espo; 2019-04-29 at 10:13 PM.

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