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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    They should be illegal, but nobody should have the power to stop it or punish the criminals, based on your ideal anarchic world.
    I didn't say that at all, because I'm not an anarchist. Your brain seems to have a hard time figuring things out.

    You can't seem to grasp the definition of words, that's not my problem.

  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    So, you should then have no problem if that corporation decides to also use that guy with a gun to take things from you against your will, right? You are acting as a corporatist, how interesting.

    People do earn what they are worth, because they willingly agree to that price.
    So if all corporations band together as a cartel and will only pay slave wages, people who obtain slave wages are deserving because they willingly agreed to that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I didn't say that at all, because I'm not an anarchist. Your brain seems to have a hard time figuring things out.

    You can't seem to grasp the definition of words, that's not my problem.
    Uh, yes you did, you seem to have problem with any and all authority figures that have the power to actually enforce any laws, Mr Anarchy.
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  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    So if all corporations band together as a cartel and will only pay slave wages, people who obtain slave wages are deserving because they willingly agreed to that price.

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    Uh, yes you did, you seem to have problem with any and all authority figures that have the power to actually enforce any laws, Mr Anarchy.
    No, you are simply being willfully ignorant. I'm not an anarchist. Let me know when you know what words mean.

    If you don't like how a corporation operates, don't buy from them, don't work for them. Is that so damn hard?

  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    People accept the best they can get at that moment.

    Kids in Africa accept only food because the alternative is the whip.
    Are you telling me they deserve that? Because they agree to it?
    Yeap, according to Machismo, it's the right thing to do, to just live(or rather, die) with it.

    If all employers pay you slave wages, you can't do anything except accepting it and rolling over and die.
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  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    This is literally what they are doing now.
    I advocate the opposite of it. Things like that should only happen with a democratic support of the majority.


    People accept the best they can get at that moment.

    Kids in Africa accept only food because the alternative is the whip.
    Are you telling me they deserve that? Because they agree to it?
    You are justifying their actions, that's the point. Your actions are no different than a corporation using the government to take things from you.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    No, you are simply being willfully ignorant. I'm not an anarchist. Let me know when you know what words mean.

    If you don't like how a corporation operates, don't buy from them, don't work for them. Is that so damn hard?
    That's the point, if all corporations work that way, who regulates that in your anarchic paradise?
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  7. #227
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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    I mean, you just admitted indirectly there are places that pay slave wages.

    You didn't even realize you shot yourself in the foot.

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    Anything that isn't anarchy is oppression to you anyway.
    Last i looked corbyn is targeting uk election.

  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    That's the point, if all corporations work that way, who regulates that in your anarchic paradise?
    Then start your own corporation, and don't operate that way.

    Here's the thing you cannot seem to grasp, you are the corporatist in the equation, not me.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Ser Arthur Dayne View Post
    Last i looked corbyn is targeting uk election.
    So? The UK taking steps to prevent people being paid slave wages is a good thing. You just don't think it is, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Then start your own corporation, and don't operate that way.

    Here's the thing you cannot seem to grasp, you are the corporatist in the equation, not me.
    Right, because starting a corporation doesn't take money. It can work purely on a special type of energy/currency only found in Machismo's Anarchic Paradise.
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  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    So? The UK taking steps to prevent people being paid slave wages is a good thing. You just don't think it is, obviously.

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    Right, because starting a corporation doesn't take money. It can work purely on a special type of energy only found in Machismo's Anarchic Paradise.
    Of course it takes money, you do have access to it, do you not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    No, I am not justifying their actions.

    If you allow individuals to gather wealth, and use the state to defend their right to do so, they will accumulate wealth.
    They will take over culture, politics and basically every aspect of your life.
    Yes, you are justifying their actions, because you want to do the same thing.

    Read those last two sentences... that is exactly what you want to do. You just want different individuals to do it.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Of course it takes money, you do have access to it, do you not?
    So explain how you can get money without robbing or stealing, if all employers have the freedom to suppress wages in your Anarchic Paradise.
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  12. #232
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    So explain how you can get money without robbing or stealing, if all employers have an agreement to suppress wages in your Anarchic Paradise.
    Here's a thought, try working. Here's another one, get a loan, seek investors.

  13. #233
    It seems consistent with progressive values. Their entire philosophy is built around envy of those who have more and Feeling unable to achieve desired levels of affluence based on their own merits. They’ve masked their thievery behind the idea what they’ve stolen was somehow theirs to begin with, and that any theft is justified so long as a sufficient number of people are a party to it.

  14. #234
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Here's a thought, try working.
    Working for slave wages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Here's another one, get a loan, seek investors.
    Who will give you a loan if you don't have any property to guarantee you can return the loan? Loansharks?

    So you are basically saying, if one is born into your Anarchic Paradise without a single cent/inheritance, they have to work for slave wages....in order to somehow earn enough money to start their corporation to break the cycle of slave wages.

    Or somehow find someone who's willing to throw away money to someone without any mortgages or guarantors.
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  15. #235
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    You can't get rich by working.
    You only get rich by exploiting others.


    Are you saying that a dictatorship and democracy are the same thing?

    No, society. The collective.
    Defined as the majority of the people.
    Our resident fairy tale anarchist is unreal.

    It's like he can't imagine a world where people are born without a silver spoon in their mouths, and somehow they can magically get rich by "working" for entities that have a collective agreement to not pay enough for people to reach a point to break that cartel.
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  16. #236
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    Working for slave wages.



    Who will give you a loan if you don't have any property to guarantee you can return the loan? Loansharks?

    So you are basically saying, if one is born into your Anarchic Paradise without a single cent/inheritance, they have to work for slave wages....in order to somehow earn enough money to start their corporation to break the cycle of slave wages.

    Or somehow find someone who's willing to throw away money to someone without any mortgages or guarantors.
    Then work elsewhere.

    Buy property, work on someone else's property. You are whining about something that millions of people manage to do just fine every single year.

    And since you still haven't figured out that I'm not an anarchist, then you are simply being a moron on purpose. You do not understand the definitions of words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    You can't get rich by working.
    You only get rich by exploiting others.


    Are you saying that a dictatorship and democracy are the same thing?

    No, society. The collective.
    Defined as the majority of the people.
    That's simply untrue. You can get rich by working, and plenty of people have done it.

    I'm saying you want to use a gun to force others to give you more things. You whine when corporations do it, yet you want to do the same fucking thing. Yes, you are a corporatist.

    So, to deal with your last question... people... individuals... got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    Our resident fairy tale anarchist is unreal.

    It's like he can't imagine a world where people are born without a silver spoon in their mouths, and somehow they can magically get rich by "working" for entities that have a collective agreement to not pay enough for people to reach a point to break that cartel.
    You don't know what words mean, you really should do something about that.

  17. #237
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Then work elsewhere.
    I already said, your world is a world that people have the freedom to pay slave wages. There's no difference switching employers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    Buy property, work on someone else's property. You are whining about something that millions of people manage to do just fine every single year.
    Because of the regulations you hate. Not in spite of.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And since you still haven't figured out that I'm not an anarchist, then you are simply being a moron on purpose. You do not understand the definitions of words.
    Nah, you do not understand supporting a world where everyone has the freedom to do anything is anarchism. Textbook anarchism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You don't know what words mean, you really should do something about that.
    Sorry, it's that you are out of touch of reality.
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  18. #238
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    I already said, your world is a world that people have the freedom to pay slave wages. There's no difference switching employers.



    Because of the regulations you hate. Not in spite of.



    Nah, you do not understand supporting a world where everyone has the freedom to do anything is anarchism. Textbook anarchism.
    And you are free to not work for those wages, meaning you are not a slave by definition. Words seem to be tripping you up these days.

    You want those regulations, not me. You are the one who is acting like a corporatist, not me.

    I never said everyone should have the freedom to do anything, you seem to be missing one key part of that equation. People should be free to do what they want, so long as they do not harm others. That is objectively not anarchy. As far as harming others, you are the only one of us that seems intent on harming others.

  19. #239
    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    And you are free to not work for those wages, meaning you are not a slave by definition. Words seem to be tripping you up these days.
    So you can magically guarantee, that in your anarchic world there will be at least be one reasonable employer to work for, within accessible distance.

    Please explain how.

    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    You want those regulations, not me. You are the one who is acting like a corporatist, not me.
    Exactly, the regulations that prevent corporations from paying slave wages, you want to remove. I don't.


    Quote Originally Posted by Machismo View Post
    I never said everyone should have the freedom to do anything, you seem to be missing one key part of that equation. People should be free to do what they want, so long as they do not harm others. That is objectively not anarchy. As far as harming others, you are the only one of us that seems intent on harming others.
    Paying slave wages is causing harm, but you don't seem to object that. Anarchism is what you support.
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  20. #240
    Quote Originally Posted by PosPosPos View Post
    So you can magically guarantee, that in your anarchic world there will be at least be one reasonable employer to work for, within accessible distance.

    Please explain how.



    Exactly, the regulations that prevent corporations from paying slave wages, you want to remove. I don't.




    Paying slave wages is causing harm, but you don't seem to object that. Anarchism is what you support.
    Once again, not an anarchist. Until you figure that part out, you cannot be helped. You simply do not understand what words mean, so the blockage is on your end. Your willful ignorance is not my problem. You are operating on ignorance, and blaming me for not agreeing with you.

    How is that causing harm? You willfully agreed to a wage, and decided that's what you are worth. They agreed that's how much your efforts were worth. Are they forcing you to work there?

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