1. #2861
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Din n Boba got possession of the Lambda shuttle before meeting with Bo-Katan, so I'm guessing she won't claim it...also I doubt he will try to be king, and Mandalore society, well, while they'll be thankful they'll probably will pay more attention to Bo-Katan n not want to join one of her underlings 'the watch' cult, but...he is no longer part of them since he has taken his helmet off several times, they might even go after him once they figure out it's safe to scurry out of their holes now with Gideon & co taken down.
    What does Din got to offer Mandalore? He doesn't even know what he is anymore...
    I'm not so sure. The show is teaching him wisdom and compassion, these are good traits for a fictional king to have. Maybe you never played the kotor games but mercenary --> mandalore is an established path. Who knows what they'll do but I can think of worse arcs for the series.

  2. #2862
    Quote Originally Posted by Scrod View Post
    I think one of the strengths of Mandalorian is its casting of older characters with gravitas.
    Don't get me wrong, the casting has been great, it's just the characters themselves (and the storylines attached to them) just eclipse the protagonist in significance and I am not sure I like that as the direction of this specific series. That's all I am saying.

  3. #2863
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    How can you tell? Maybe he did, but Mando just expertly put his beskar in the way.

    In any event: this is movie choreography, not actual fighting. There's a long-standing history of stage fights being basically weapons smashing into each other rather than fighting like you would when trying to ACTUALLY kill someone. Most "real" fighting styles look nothing like they are portrayed on screen. There's a good analysis of sword fighting techniques for lightsabers somewhere on YT (can't remember where exactly) that basically says it would/should look nothing like it does in SW because that's not how you'd fight with a weapon like that.

    What matters on the screen isn't that it's REAL, but that it LOOKS GOOD. Sometimes the two can overlap, but a lot of the time it'd actually look a little goofy to our eyes if they were using moves designed for efficiency rather than flourish.
    You're thinking of Shadversity. He did a pretty good breakdown on how a person would use a lightsaber more like a foil or rapier than a broadsword with big sweeps. And I get that part of it.

    What shook me was that it seemed so very out of character for Gideon. Granted, he's a commander and planner and strategist. But he seemed to know everything else with such detail...it was strange and out of character for him to not know that detail.

    Oh well. Chalk it up as what you said: Made to look good rather than make sense. I mean...it's a universe with space wizards after all, so I shouldn't put too much into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    it's ok for Jedi to do the Jedi stuff

    it's not ok for those 4 to basically show off their melee skills against stormtroopers they SHOT anyway. If they just took them down in melee - OK, if they just shot them - OK - Melee and then shoot - not ok. No logic. Just show-offs.
    Melee takedowns don't generally kill. Punches and kicks don't usually either, even with Durasteel or Beskar armor. 2 the head, 1 to the chest does.

    Call it bad choreography then. Or believe what you want. Like I said, I just didn't get that vibe from it at all. But that's just my opinion. Yours could be right. Who knows except the director and the actors?

  4. #2864
    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    I respectively disagree with the bold.

    I am sorry, I didn't see Ahsoka with Dawson ... It just didn't work for me. Even getting passed the obviously fake head piece, she didn't come across as Ahsoka to me. There was just something off about how she spoke and other minor characteristics that just irk me in ways it is hard for me to describe. She felt like Diet Ahsoka to me. And added even kind of looking back, the only reason that episode had to exist was so Din could get the spear. Literally it was go to Ahsoka, and she tells him to go to Tython ... you could have cut out the middleman there somehow.

    When I see Dawson as Ahsoka ... I see an actor playing a role. When I watch the Original Trilogy, I don't see Alec Guinness playing Obi Wan, I see Obi Wan, same with Patrick Stewart and Harrison Ford. I don't see the actor, I see the character. Dawson wasn't terrible, but she was far from "perfect." She may have worked for you, but she didn't work for everyone ... if you can show the same number of people who were disappointed with Patrick Stewart, Alec Guinness or Harrison Ford in their respective roles, I'll admit I am wrong.
    I'm not a huge fan of the cartoon series so I'll admit I don't have many preconceptions about how Tano should act. I just feel like Dawson is an actress who can hold the camera's attention, who can monologue and keep it interesting. I think the recent trilogy was missing that.

  5. #2865
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    still, where was this guy, Axe Woves (sounds like deodorant..), mysteriously missing?..
    Don't see anything on his twitter or facebook. Maybe he just had the one episode appearance contracted, or the director didn't feel like another body fit the scenes. He'll probably show up later on again, I'd wager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    still, where was this guy, Axe Woves (sounds like deodorant..), mysteriously missing?..
    Likely on the ship they stole during The Heiress. You know, making sure no one steals it back.
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  7. #2867
    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Likely on the ship they stole during The Heiress. You know, making sure no one steals it back.
    Others can do that, Bo-Katan said on the com aboard the ship when they were raiding it

    "Thanks for packing up all this gear so nicely. Imagine what a division of us can do when we get our hands on what's inside these shiny little boxes."

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    A division is a large military unit or formation, usually consisting of between 10,000 and 25,000 soldiers.
    that's a lot of Mandos

    But, probably only a small fraction has beskar armor?..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    Others can do that, Bo-Katan said on the com aboard the ship when they were raiding it

    "Thanks for packing up all this gear so nicely. Imagine what a division of us can do when we get our hands on what's inside these shiny little boxes."



    that's a lot of Mandos

    But, probably only a small fraction has beskar armor?..
    Yes, others could do that.
    I am just saying where he likely could be.
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  9. #2869
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    No one disputes that.

    There was no need for melee because they still SHOT them, they didn't take them down with melee - they kicked and punched and then SHOT them.
    It was pure showing off for VIEWERS. No one else was there tapping them on the head for being cool like Mr. Wick.
    Fair enough point... it's one of the more annoying things of western entertainment - easily over dramatic - I guess they wanted us to feel that they're badass.

  10. #2870
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    TLJ has a ton of faults but it did try to move the franchise forward and carve out an identity for it.
    TLJ doubled down on the worst parts of TFA and brought nothing new to the table. How exactly did it try and move the franchise forward?


    I really enjoyed the season finale. I loved that the show let us finally see what people wanted from the DT, Jedi Master Luke in his prime. And they managed to do it without him overshadowing the main characters and making it all about him. Mando now has no ship, no Grogu and no desire to lead/rebuild Mandalor so I wonder what direction they will be taking season 3.
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  11. #2871
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Melee takedowns don't generally kill. Punches and kicks don't usually either, even with Durasteel or Beskar armor. 2 the head, 1 to the chest does.
    In movies melee takedowns - incapacitate. They don't in real life but that's not the point.
    The point is - there was no need for melee. I'm not complaining about the SHOTS, I'm talking about the melee that preceded the SHOTS. Since you say melee takedowns are useless to takedown anyone - you agree they were unnecessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by SirCowdog View Post
    Call it bad choreography then. Or believe what you want. Like I said, I just didn't get that vibe from it at all. But that's just my opinion. Yours could be right. Who knows except the director and the actors?
    The choreography was good. Just pointless. There can be no doubt it was made to make them look badass. No other reason. It's a TV show and they are hero[in]es. Din was pummelled into the wall by a single fucking droid. That was to show how dangerous the droid is, and how cool the beskar is, and how poor the material of the walls is. And then he defeated that droid by being smart. While the girl power team was having fun with stormtroopers. I can't call it anything else - they were having fun. Such badassettes.

  12. #2872
    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    Mandalorian season 3 confirmed release date is december 2021. Book of Boba confirmed release date is december 2021. Book of Boba IS Mandalorian S03. There wont be 2 show at the same time if D+ could milk them one by one. Also Pedro Pascal was officially reduced to voice actor after S02
    It isn't the same show. They have different production schedules which wouldn't exist if they were the same exact show.

    https://twitter.com/PaulRMQ/status/1340013710518214657

    An artist/worker affiliated with Lucas arts stated they are different and there has been rumors for a while of a Boba Fett spin off. Now that Season 2 is over with we can obviously see why they may have been keeping it a secret.
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  13. #2873
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    TLJ doubled down on the worst parts of TFA and brought nothing new to the table. How exactly did it try and move the franchise forward?
    I keep hearing people say this but honestly I think it's just a mantra, the director said he wanted to "subvert expectations" which he certainly did. But IMO he didn't nice the franchise forward, not even backwards, he moved it sideways...

  14. #2874
    Quote Originally Posted by Fayolynn View Post
    I loved that the show let us finally see what people wanted from the DT, Jedi Master Luke in his prime. And they managed to do it without him overshadowing the main characters and making it all about him.
    The climax of the episode was 5 minutes of all the characters staring at monitors while Luke strolled in and destroyed two dozen droids that Mando could barely handle 1v1. I don't know what "overshadowing" means if that's not it.
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    So I'm curious if S3 will have a big timeskip now. I can't see the series without Grogu, and the only way I realistically see Grogu and Din reunited is if Din somehow saves him from Kylo's destruction of the Jedi Temple, which should be more than 20 years away if I'm getting the timing right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vilendor View Post
    Mandalorian season 3 confirmed release date is december 2021. Book of Boba confirmed release date is december 2021. Book of Boba IS Mandalorian S03. There wont be 2 show at the same time if D+ could milk them one by one. Also Pedro Pascal was officially reduced to voice actor after S02
    Officially, huh? I haven't found a single "official" source for this. It's all rumors by the same guy whose been coming up with bullshit rumors and "leaks" to drum up clicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhorle View Post
    It isn't the same show. They have different production schedules which wouldn't exist if they were the same exact show.

    https://twitter.com/PaulRMQ/status/1340013710518214657

    An artist/worker affiliated with Lucas arts stated they are different and there has been rumors for a while of a Boba Fett spin off. Now that Season 2 is over with we can obviously see why they may have been keeping it a secret.
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  17. #2877
    Watching the final episode of this season god damn was amazing. Jon, Dave and rest of the story writers know how to make a series. Also know how to make people tear up.

  18. #2878
    Quote Originally Posted by Selastan View Post
    So I'm curious if S3 will have a big timeskip now. I can't see the series without Grogu, and the only way I realistically see Grogu and Din reunited is if Din somehow saves him from Kylo's destruction of the Jedi Temple, which should be more than 20 years away if I'm getting the timing right.
    This is hilarious. Grogu was more of a plot device than a main character. Pretending he’s integral is pretty weird.

  19. #2879
    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    This is hilarious. Grogu was more of a plot device than a main character. Pretending he’s integral is pretty weird.
    He was the major focus for two seasons. That is about as integral as it can get. Can the show function with out him? Sure. But half the popularity of the show is because of Grogu. There is no reason to deny that he isn't an integral part of the show. The creators though have showed they are not worried about getting rid of iconic stuff from the show since the Razor Crest was destroyed.
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  20. #2880
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim Garak View Post
    He promised her to consider helping her reclaiming Mandalore. Now that he has nothing to do, no ship to find something to do, lots of free time, and the Darksaber he can't give away that makes him the rightful claimant to the Mandalore's throne - he can reshape the Mandalore in The Right Way, which is This - until Bo finds strength in herself to defeat him. Which she won't until he's old enough to just pass away.
    There were only a couple things I didn't like about the finale. One has been mentioned a few times, which is folks with guns running into melee range to fight...only then to shot the person in the head after knocking them to the ground. Just took me out of the scenes when it happened. The other as you note is the Darksaber "rules".

    First, all Din did to 'win' the Darksaber is knock Moff Gideon on his keister and bat the Darksaber away, at which point Gideon yields. So it would appear perfectly acceptable for Bo-Katan to 'win' the Darksaber from Din by Din yielding. Otherwise, she could just say, "let me knock you on your butt first, then you can yield". Seems arbitrary.

    Second, Bo-Katan has already accepted the Darksaber as a gift from Sabine, without fighting Sabine for it. There is established precedence. So the whole "Darksaber combat rules" feels like a big McGuffin, which always ruin my immersion into the story.

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