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    It's a spaghetti western in space- not sure what some of you guys are expecting. This episode was very reminiscent of Firefly (Episode: Heart of Gold) or a handful of Bonanza runs; not every series needs a headlong rush into a central plot conclusion- sometimes it's about the journey, freaking shit.

    Solid 8.5/10, won't be the best out of the batch but not comparable to the dumpster fire that was TLJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    People are calling it a filler episode? What did it lack that the "Jawas stole my shit and I have to go on a quest to get it back" episode had?
    Lemme make it clear, I thought this episode was fine, if not predictable. But that's the problem; it was predictable.

    The "Jawas stole my stuff" episode, at least, was 1) uniquely star wars and 2) showed the character's limitations a little more concretely. He's a man of action, but he can definitely get in over his head, even in situations where it looks like he has the upper hand. We saw that with him trying to take on the Jawas head on and failing, and then again with the Mud Horn. In the first situation, he's made to resort to diplomacy, while in the second one B.Y. has to save his bacon with the force.

    We didn't really learn anything about the Mandalorian in this episode. We can infer that he's going to do the right thing because... well, he's done it in the past. The action is all dimly lit "more-of-the-same" shootout stuff we've seen; the Jawa episode had him trying to scale the sandcrawler, (something we've never seen in star wars,) and also fight a giant space rhino.

    Moreover, while it's not really the show's fault... AT-STs are best known for being something the Ewoks took down... without too much effort. Not exactly a menacing piece of Star Wars technology given their track record.

    It didn't have to be profound cinema with deep meaning. Hell, I'd have preferred more cheesy action schlock, if they could have made it more dynamic. Maybe Mando or Cara has to scale the AT-ST because it wont step in the pit, and then they take it over and send the enemy forces running, or do something cool that way, instead of the "hunker down and get shot at in a pit" strategy. Maybe they negotiate some peaceful situation with the raiders; who knows. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, and they have budget restraints and time restraints, but... It just felt like a very "standard" episode of television. Derivative of Seven Samurai... The Magnificent seven... The Road Warrior (it's actually a LOT like the Road Warrior, now that I think about it.)

    So again; a passable episode. Nothing inherently bad about it. But very predictable.

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    I was not talking about them referring to it, I was talking about the damn thing behaving like it has its own agency. How it got surprised with the sound of a surprised droid, for instance. How quite visibly became pissed off then they shot one of its "eyes" out. The entire sequence of that fight was made to present it as an entity of its own.
    Pretty sure that was just to make it look larger and more "antagonistic."
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    But that's the problem; it was predictable.
    Come now... Literally everyone knew he wasn't just going to turn over the kid. The only question was how and when he'd betray the Imperials that gave him the bounty...not if he would. The most unpredictable thing about the show so far has been what exactly the Jawas wanted with the egg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_bushido View Post
    Come now... Literally everyone knew he wasn't just going to turn over the kid. The only question was how and when he'd betray the Imperials that gave him the bounty...not if he would. The most unpredictable thing about the show so far has been what exactly the Jawas wanted with the egg.
    But at least he did cool, Star Wars-y shit while doing those other things. That’s what makes in interesting.

    Take out the AT-ST and this could have been from any “lone wanderer”-type series. They don’t even make the raiders interesting; neither their design nor their motivations are anything to note. The villagers are just villagers, the raiders are just raiders, the firefight is just a firefight. Nothing stands out as exceptional or interesting. Also, they already did the “gunshot fake out at B.Y” in the first episode.
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  5. #525
    Cara Dune says something interesting to me as a lore head, along the lines of...

    "...after Endor they had us on diplomat security and riot supression, that's not what i signed up for..."

    diplomat security and riot supression? paints an ominous picture of how the galaxy is accepting the new republic, and may start to explain how the first order wins over its first few followers

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    I believe Jango and Boba weren’t Mandalorians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    We are half way through this story, with only four episodes left. So far, there has barely been any story at all. The only story thus far is that there is a Mandalorian bounty hunter who took on a job, found a baby Yoda, turned in the baby Yoda, had second thoughts, took baby Yoda back and fled. That's the entire story of the show thus far. That could've been told in one episode. We didn't need any of this padding. I'm not hopefull for the rest of the season.
    look at the first season of Rebels and Clone wars. stories need a few episodes to establish characters and what not.

    Chill. This is the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    But at least he did cool, Star Wars-y shit while doing those other things. That’s what makes in interesting.

    Take out the AT-ST and this could have been from any “lone wanderer”-type series. They don’t even make the raiders interesting; neither their design nor their motivations are anything to note. The villagers are just villagers, the raiders are just raiders, the firefight is just a firefight. Nothing stands out as exceptional or interesting. Also, they already did the “gunshot fake out at B.Y” in the first episode.
    “They already did the whole cutting off a limb with a lightsaber in ANH, why did Lucas continue to do it in every movie?” Because that’s how Star Wars works...
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  7. #527
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    Cara Dune says something interesting to me as a lore head, along the lines of...

    "...after Endor they had us on diplomat security and riot supression, that's not what i signed up for..."

    diplomat security and riot supression? paints an ominous picture of how the galaxy is accepting the new republic, and may start to explain how the first order wins over its first few followers
    I still feel it was a horrible direction to go, just miserable and disappointing, that after all of episode 6, you mean this is what the victory brought? This is how the galaxy gathered together with people like Leia Organa and Mon Mothma around.. are you kidding me?

    All so they could paint Luke like a loser and make us feel that this is reality, and we enjoy such miserable stuff. The world we live in is already a miserable place, and people need hope and to see that making a difference makes things generally better. Star wars 1-6 is re watched enough and has enough "falling to darkness, miser, and rising out of the ashes" for us to want something new and different.

    How about a restored republic, a utopian galaxy, with a new and greater menace, how about the force and its users at the highest point ever, how about the sith and jedi even working together, something new.

    When I played Swtor, , the whole Eternal Empire story arc, really felt like the "new" sort of thing that the movies should have gone with. An emperor thought dead has another trick up his sleeve, and builds an awesome new empire, invading the current, and now they have to fight to preserve the new utopia they fought so hard to create, with new levels of force powers, secrets, stunning new worlds with technology and force wonder.

    Not this grim, hey everything looks like Episode 4-6, and nothing has changed.. sheesh, save that for the Mando series and for films like Rogue 1 and Solo set in that time line, it seems a creative drought that a video game company managed to drive a more exciting story and premise than a billion dollar company.


    While people may have loved the plot execution and script, what it was about was what was really wrong. Going back to repeat episode 4-6 but now just gender swap everyone, gives us nothing new. Hans dying is like Obi-wan dying, just more emotional to the people now than the ones who first saw star wars and didn't really know much of Obi-wan then.


    They really screwed up, and as it stands, I feel the swtOR game story up to the recent expansion was a much more exciting route and something new to do, rather than re-hash.


    Conclusion of Epsidoe 7-9

    Seemed to be, someone's fantasy of re-imagagining episode 4-6 with a girl as the star and female leads and themed, but ofc the big bad male villain, and subservient obedient male sidekicks.

    As if to say, "I always wanted Luke to be female, and imagined Star Wars with girls doing all the "cool stuff" (or rather the things the boys consider really cool and use to exclude me from all the time because I was a girl) and now I get to stick it to them because now I can make a girl and women do all the things the boys find cool, and have girls rule in the end, and stick it to them" Now I have the reins, I'm going to do that, and fill my team with girls who feel the same way.

    And we'll make it better than anything George Lucas or any of the males did it. Go girl power, the force is female !!


    This is exactly what Episode 7-9 and the whole purpose of it feels like.

  8. #528
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Take out the AT-ST and this could have been from any “lone wanderer”-type series.
    Seriously? Yes, if you take out the Star Wars stuff, it stops being Star Wars...

  9. #529
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    i have to disagree with you, though i totally see what you mean and appreciate the thought out response. i personally love the fact that it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows after Endor. it's the same as it would be in real life, you have the people who liked the Empire (be it actually or brainwashed into it) revolting against the New Republic, which they see as terrorists.

    from our perspective, yes the rebellion and luke and the gang were the heroes, but who are we to know how the galaxy itself felt as a whole? people didn't know what a Sith was and Palpatine had been putting anti Jedi propaganda out there since Order 66. maybe the people of the galaxy are weary of a rebuilt Jedi Order?

    the outer rim has pretty much never given a shit about the republic or the empire, as the galaxy is a big place and the authorities have had a harder time ruling over worlds that far away from the core so it's easy to see worlds like that revolting at the thought of any kind of take over.

    all of this are things i want to see in the Mandalorian and maybe the Resistance cartoon once i get into that, it will help explain everything that has been going on in the latter part of the skywalker saga.

    agree with you on the Eternal Empire story line in SWTOR though, i had fun playing through that. most of the internet would disagree with us lol
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  10. #530
    @ravenmoon

    Honestly, it makes sense, the whole idea of "oh the emperor is dead so war is over" always seemed kind of stilly.


  11. #531
    This show is...alright? Average? Passable? I'm not sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't 20 minute episodes. Thought we'd be getting hour long deals, especially given not all episodes are out yet. I like the music and the "lore" behind the mandolorian, but he is a bit one-dimensional and the episodes haven't been too thrilling so far.

  12. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargulf the Happy Husky View Post
    @ravenmoon

    i have to disagree with you, though i totally see what you mean and appreciate the thought out response. i personally love the fact that it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows after Endor. it's the same as it would be in real life, you have the people who liked the Empire (be it actually or brainwashed into it) revolting against the New Republic, which they see as terrorists.

    from our perspective, yes the rebellion and luke and the gang were the heroes, but who are we to know how the galaxy itself felt as a whole? people didn't know what a Sith was and Palpatine had been putting anti Jedi propaganda out there since Order 66. maybe the people of the galaxy are weary of a rebuilt Jedi Order?

    the outer rim has pretty much never given a shit about the republic or the empire, as the galaxy is a big place and the authorities have had a harder time ruling over worlds that far away from the core so it's easy to see worlds like that revolting at the thought of any kind of take over.

    all of this are things i want to see in the Mandalorian and maybe the Resistance cartoon once i get into that, it will help explain everything that has been going on in the latter part of the skywalker saga.

    agree with you on the Eternal Empire story line in SWTOR though, i had fun playing through that. most of the internet would disagree with us lol
    Well, they're just trolls who hate swtor, and never actually paid it much mind, probably got sour because on the launch the end game wasn't the well oiled machine that Cata had going with 4 raids to their only one, got so pissed off and the bitter taste has them writing off Swtor at any mention, without ever looking at the content. Shame on them. It has great stories, and the direction and plot line leading to the Eternal empire and what came after it was very cool, and the sort of direction that would have ben awesome for the main star wars to go in, especially after someone as powerful as Palpatine,

    My big gripe with the DDisney continuation is not really how less likely the direction they took was, as you correctly say it is plausible and definitely believable, it's that they rehashed episode 4-6, and peddled the same scenario - of a dark war torn universe, with us struggling under pretty much identical threat as 4-6

    They didn't give us anything new, amazing, wonder filled or that exciting, they just re-told episode 4-6 in a better way. And yes, I admit it was done better than 4-6, but it was less enjoyable, because it's a rehash and not really taking the saga forward.

    I also really don't like how they ruin the skywalker legacy, compared to the EU (which i've never looked at, but heard) has a much brighter and more adventerous outlook, where instead they just seem to kill off all the old heroes is disapopinting. This is real life. I don't go to movies to see real life. In real life, I'm the guy that struggled against all natural odds to do the impossible in my generation, and at the end of it all, instead of being appreciated, I had to fight on to stop more evil and had to give my life to keep said evil at bay - I look to the next life or to the future of humanity beyond my natural first life to see if my sacrificed made any lasting difference in the long run, but even if it did not, I am satisfied if I helped, saved and hcanged many lives for the good.


    But real life has history to tell, fantasy life, can actually show a whole lot more. And if you're not continuing with the timeline, but ending it with RoS, and instaed telling endless stories in the 1-9 movie canon with series like Mandalorian , Resistance and films like Solo and Rogue one , then I'm sorry, you needed a much brighter end or far more positive future outlook.

    Meh, I don't know why it irritates me this much, ..but i guess i really liked star wars, and just hate how they're ending it with the last 3 movies. I expected the flash and flair or beautiful advanced worlds, lightsaber and force fights of 1-3 taken to the next level like the Clone wars cartoons started doing (espeically on the Cartoon Network) coupled with the charm, wit and better direction of the original 3 (episode 4-6) but done better, to result in a turly incredible 7-9 which so far has fallen well short of that for all those reasons.

  13. #533
    Same as most folks I am entertained, but it feels very "safe mode" and with an IP as rich and, literally rich.. >they have all the money in the world to fuel this IP<, it feels very lackluster.

    Everything feels like "I've seen this all before elsewhere" but now it's about a tin man, his wrestler sidekick, a merchandise pushing yodle, and neat credit concept art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7empest View Post
    Same as most folks I am entertained, but it feels very "safe mode" and with an IP as rich and, literally rich.. >they have all the money in the world to fuel this IP<, it feels very lackluster.

    Everything feels like "I've seen this all before elsewhere" but now it's about a tin man, his wrestler sidekick, a merchandise pushing yodle, and neat credit concept art.
    It feels very boardroom-esque, but then again, that's the Star Wars brand these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    When I played Swtor, , the whole Eternal Empire story arc, really felt like the "new" sort of thing that the movies should have gone with. An emperor thought dead has another trick up his sleeve, and builds an awesome new empire, invading the current, and now they have to fight to preserve the new utopia they fought so hard to create, with new levels of force powers, secrets, stunning new worlds with technology and force wonder..
    This isn’t at l what happens in swtor. No one thought the emperor was dead he stripped a planet of life then left for another galaxy only to return with an unstoppable force. The empire and republic were openly at war when he showed up it wasn’t a utopia. Even when he dies again on his return you know that he’s not really gone as he’s with you and the others can know that to. The eternal empire is just like any point in Starwars it just has some shiny new buildings and robot troops.

  16. #536
    I don’t think the latest episode was a filler. I think it was important to show that this Mandalorian could be more human and have actual emotions, and for a brief moment, we were made to think that he might have considered settling down. The episode added more depth to the character so we can relate to him more and not see him as just a Bounty Hunter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Still enjoyable but the weakest episode so far.
    Quite untrue. Episode was fantastic.

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    Episode was great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axxil View Post
    Quite untrue. Episode was fantastic.

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    So you can predict traditional tropes. Good for you.

    Episode was great.
    Please explain how it was better than any of the previous 3 episodes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Please explain how it was better than any of the previous 3 episodes.
    Why better? Why not just as good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7empest View Post
    Same as most folks I am entertained, but it feels very "safe mode" and with an IP as rich and, literally rich.. >they have all the money in the world to fuel this IP<, it feels very lackluster.

    Everything feels like "I've seen this all before elsewhere" but now it's about a tin man, his wrestler sidekick, a merchandise pushing yodle, and neat credit concept art.
    That's what SW has been since forever.

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