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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Didn't the Mandalorian show one?
    Yep, the "vac-tube".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Or maybe it just doesn't matter to the story?
    While the above comment was directed at what we're calling the baby Yoda, this mentality should be applied to any future Star Wars movies they make when it comes to adding/subtracting to the movie(s). What I enjoy about the Mandalorian is that it's simple and doesn't try to be extravagant, and it tends to only mention or show things that are relevant to the story while spending time on character-building. What turned me off about the new trilogy is that it's mostly the completely opposite of the Mandalorian: it tries to get way too complicated and over-the-top, most things aren't pertinent to the plot/story/characters to where the movies tend to forget to develop the characters (if at all). This is shown that I actually felt emotions while watching the Mandalorian and wanted more, while the trilogy I just wanted it to be over by the time the third movie came around.

    It's kind of akin to the whole Golden Globes with Ricky Gervais calling out those Hollywood elitists for being so detached from reality that they don't realize how unimportant/dumb they are and how most people don't care what they think or even think like they do. Those types of people he's targeting are the types who put out the new Star Wars trilogy, as it's devoid of what most people who like to see in a Star Wars movie and full of stuff that no one cares about. It's freaking Disney, they've put out such great content and have an amazing track record, yet how could they screw up a Star Wars trilogy and have no plan? It's because of those types of elitists who are so removed from the world that they can't comprehend why their content doesn't get universal praise.

    I think that Favreau and his team has a much better understanding at what people want to see and what they enjoy compared to the new trilogy's crew, and I hope they're a LOT more involved with future projects going forward. Even at his worst, his content is still entertaining to some degree, and the Mandalorian (even with its flaws) stands well above all the rest of the Disney live-action Star Wars content to date.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Then why not just default to he? Calling it "it" all the time just sounds odd for a sentient being.
    Why not default to she? And for all we know "it" might be totally appropriate for the species.

    Point being, it's just not relevant. The ambiguity is intentional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exochaft View Post
    While the above comment was directed at what we're calling the baby Yoda, this mentality should be applied to any future Star Wars movies they make when it comes to adding/subtracting to the movie(s). What I enjoy about the Mandalorian is that it's simple and doesn't try to be extravagant, and it tends to only mention or show things that are relevant to the story while spending time on character-building. What turned me off about the new trilogy is that it's mostly the completely opposite of the Mandalorian: it tries to get way too complicated and over-the-top, most things aren't pertinent to the plot/story/characters to where the movies tend to forget to develop the characters (if at all). This is shown that I actually felt emotions while watching the Mandalorian and wanted more, while the trilogy I just wanted it to be over by the time the third movie came around.
    Funny enough, one of my favorite scenes from the series has nothing to do with building either the plot nor and characters. It is the scene of the two Scout Troopers just messing around. It's funny, it's clever, and it isn't afraid to poke fun at Star Wars in a way that is more than just a bunch of references. Yeah the whole "Storm Troopers and bad shots" could be seen as being a little on the nose, but I really liked it because it shows that Troopers are just guys who are doing a job in a far better way than any of the stuff with Finn did in the movies. It reminded me of those old Troopers videos from way back when that were a parody of Cops. Anyone else remember those or is my old man side showing?

    My other favorite scene is actully from the same episode, the completely dialog free scene of Mando's backstory. Tells us everything we need to know about what happened to him and why he is the way he is without having to explain it all in needless exposition. Then later we get that nice little callback to that scene with Baby Yoda looking over Mando's shoulder as they fly away the same way he did when he was saved as a kid.

    It really is just a well crafted series. A big part of that is it's simplicity. It tells a really small story for the most part. I am a bit worried though they are going to change that going forward with bigger implications like who/what Baby Yoda is as well as the appearance of the Black Saber but I guess time will tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Why not default to she? And for all we know "it" might be totally appropriate for the species.

    Point being, it's just not relevant. The ambiguity is intentional.
    I knew someone was going to say that...

    I was not trying to be sexist. My point was, in general, out language tends to default to the masculine, whether that is right or wrong. If you look around online, most people refer to Baby Yoda as he already.

    And we know "it" isn't correct since there is both a male and female referred to as such in cannon already.

    And yes, I know the ambiguity is intentional and that is exactly why I do think it will be relevant.

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    China isn't a fictional universe? Nor did they have Darth Vader.........



    Educate yourself before comparing the darksaber to the Excalibur.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Funny enough, one of my favorite scenes from the series has nothing to do with building either the plot nor and characters. It is the scene of the two Scout Troopers just messing around. It's funny, it's clever, and it isn't afraid to poke fun at Star Wars in a way that is more than just a bunch of references.
    hahah I found that pretty dang funny too. Neither one could hit the thing on the ground, only to check the weapon to see if anything was wrong. I always thought that scout troopers had better aim than stormtroopers. :P
    They did actually aim at the thing tho, only to have the shot fire away from it...even at that close range. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    I saw a lot of headlines today, where folks have been making sure to officially point out that "Baby Yoda" is not actually the younger version of Yoda himself.

    I guess it's possible that people don't understand when this takes place vs the movies, but I was pretty sure they called him "Baby Yoda" because the name of the species was never actually given, or as a sort of short hand, rather than believing it was an actual baby Yoda years after 900 year old Yoda's death.

    Watiti even said he knows the baby's name but isn't saying... like it matters what the name is at this point? We're not going to like, recognize it!
    I wasn't sure of the timeline until i looked it up. The timelines dont fit for the baby to be a younger version of yaddle or yoda. People just need to do a little bit of research to find out. lol

    Hopefully we will find out who the baby really is. It was mentioned that the baby was most likely not engineered. Yoda would be dead during this timeline, maybe it's a love child with yoda/yaddle but who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    I was not trying to be sexist. My point was, in general, out language tends to default to the masculine, whether that is right or wrong. If you look around online, most people refer to Baby Yoda as he already.
    It's not rooted in the language, it's rooted in convention. There is no grammatical reason to default to he, it's purely habit. And habits change. Many scientific papers, for example, actively default to pronouns other than he now - because unless we change things, they'll always stay the same.

    But anyway, that's digressing too far. It's not relevant for now. If and when it becomes relevant, it'll be different. Until then, there's no reason to pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    And we know "it" isn't correct since there is both a male and female referred to as such in cannon already.
    I think it is just for the show. But in a galaxy like star wars where there are multiple species and varying definitions of gender, maturity, and what not "it" might just be the standard way to refer to things. For a out of show stand point we don't know enough about the species to know if it is even male or female at this point. Only that at some point there are male and female "Yoda people". Not everyone even has the same reproductive organs as we know it.

    Maybe every just says it because that is what the empire guys used that originally put the bounty out. So they are just using what they used until they figure it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    I'd be cool with Rey leading the charge on a new religion. One where it is ok to have feelings and attachments, but not like the Sith where the only feelings allowed are negative. The way it has been is either be void of emotion (Jedi), or be overcome with anger and hate (Sith). Both have led to suffering time and time again. When we re-met Luke, it felt like that was the route he was going, but they didn't really capitalize on it.
    That's where Episode 8 seemed to be heading.

    And then Episode 9 made it about the big bad evil sith emperor the whole time.
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    Man, I think people took my joke mostly just meant as a way to work "down stairs mix-up" into conversation far to seriously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    That's where Episode 8 seemed to be heading.

    And then Episode 9 made it about the big bad evil sith emperor the whole time.
    It's pretty clear they didn't have a plan for the series beyond each movie when they made them. Then, the backlash to Episode 8 had they really panicking and we see what happened. I just hope they learn from this and if/when they do another trilogy, they at least make a vague outline for the whole thing before starting the first movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skizzit View Post
    Funny enough, one of my favorite scenes from the series has nothing to do with building either the plot nor and characters. It is the scene of the two Scout Troopers just messing around. It's funny, it's clever, and it isn't afraid to poke fun at Star Wars in a way that is more than just a bunch of references. Yeah the whole "Storm Troopers and bad shots" could be seen as being a little on the nose, but I really liked it because it shows that Troopers are just guys who are doing a job in a far better way than any of the stuff with Finn did in the movies. It reminded me of those old Troopers videos from way back when that were a parody of Cops. Anyone else remember those or is my old man side showing?
    I enjoyed that scene, too, but I still put it under world-building and pertinent to the story in some regard. Too often in the Star Wars movies, we just treat the grunts of the Empire/First Order/etc. barely as people, but this kind of humanizes them. In that scene, it still establishes how the troops feel about Moff Gideon, especially after he's killed his own troops to get what he wants (kind of fleshes out Gideon more, too). The troopers aren't just loyal no-name sycophants who will throw themselves onto swords for their cause, they're just people like everyone else. They have their own interests, they're curious and cautious, aspects of troopers we rarely get to see. Even the blaster part, while quite funny, kind of serves a purpose in a less subtle way.

    In the recent trilogy, the only trooper to get some sort of humanization was Phasma... and we saw how that character development went. I happily welcomes the grunts having some level of humanization instead of being know as Trooper #8723 who just gets gunned down because the heroes need a target to shoot. On that note, I'm rather happy how the Mandalorian doesn't treat them all as incompetent boobs, as it actually creates tension when you know your bad guys are competent enough to kill your heroes. Also helps that your heroes in the Mandalorian aren't unbeatable by a long shot... but I'm tired of comparing the show to the new trilogy, it's almost an insult to the Mandalorian to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    That's where Episode 8 seemed to be heading.

    And then Episode 9 made it about the big bad evil sith emperor the whole time.
    Indeed. Luke was mentioning how the Jedi teachings were all wrong. I really felt like they were heading that way. Would had made for a much more entertaining story rather than wasting time on Canto Bight.
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    Review: not a bad little show, unambitious and not anything ground-breaking but solid. Lots of things to like.

    Also full of lore niggles that drive me mad because I'm a huge nerd. Carbonite freezing was an industrial process Vader co-opted to trap Luke and tested on Han one time, but now apparently it's the default means of Mandalorians carrying prisoners. Jawas seem to live on every planet in the galaxy, those things are spacefaring??? I just assumed they were native to Tatooine. The "stormtroopers can't shoot" meme has apparently metastasized to actually being canon. Is Yoda's entire species strong in the Force? I thought it was because Yoda was Yoda, not frigging genetics... don't tell me, it's the midichlorians...

    But that kind of thing doesn't really matter. I still think this show, like all the recent films, needs to cool it with the constant member-berries. I don't need to see a reference to a prop or alien from the film every 20 seconds, it starts to make the universe feel tiny. Have the confidence in your show to make your own stuff and stick with it.

    Also it felt like all the episodes until the last two were from a 90s sci fi show where every week there'd be a new predicament disconnected from every other episode with no overall plot. Not necessarily a bad thing, just different. Kind of retro. But I think it was significantly more interesting in the last two episodes when they kicked it up several notches.

    Cast is really good. Can't believe Taika Waititi has acted in a DC, Marvel and Star Wars film now lol. He's just missing Trek from full nerd bingo. Nick Nolte was fantastic, and I have a soft spot for Gina Carano. Pedro Pascal did a top notch job, for an actor a job like that is super hard because it takes away every tool an actor normally has. Can't see the face, can't even show strong emotion in the voice because he's a "man of few words" type. But you can see his character in every little movement.

    Oh yeah and Giancarlo Esposito as a devious villain, that was inevitable of course. When his TIE went down I said "if he climbs out of the wreckage with half his face burned off, so help me..." LOL. Who am I kidding, I love the guy.

    Overall, pretty good simple fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Also full of lore niggles that drive me mad because I'm a huge nerd. Carbonite freezing was an industrial process Vader co-opted to trap Luke and tested on Han one time, but now apparently it's the default means of Mandalorians carrying prisoners.
    Not Mandalorians, but bounty hunters. Quite possible it's caught on as a good method, and that the process was refined to have a lower risk of failure. Innovation happens. Or it could be that freezing people was always an option but not usually done because it could kill them easily, and that's why Vader was reluctant to do it to Luke in ESB. Mando might not care.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Jawas seem to live on every planet in the galaxy, those things are spacefaring??? I just assumed they were native to Tatooine.
    They could be spacefaring on their own, or have spread across numerous planets through other means - slavery, for example. Could be someone used them as slaves in the past and shipped them around, and that their physiology simply made them suitable for desert-like planets which is why they're often found there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    The "stormtroopers can't shoot" meme has apparently metastasized to actually being canon.
    It's a humorous nod to the meme. Those same troopers also easily killed Kuiil, and their colleagues routed an entire Covert full of Mandalorians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Is Yoda's entire species strong in the Force? I thought it was because Yoda was Yoda, not frigging genetics... don't tell me, it's the midichlorians...
    His wouldn't be the first species to be especially strong in the force, but it could also just be we've mostly seen exceptional individuals. Not like the sample size is particularly large. For all we know they could be incredibly force INsensitive but only the very few who happen to be super strong make their mark on the galaxy and get noticed. We have nothing to make a comparison against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Also it felt like all the episodes until the last two were from a 90s sci fi show where every week there'd be a new predicament disconnected from every other episode with no overall plot.
    You're not wrong, but that was what it was designed as - a space western, lone gunman style/a space samurai, Lone Wolf & Cub style. Let's hope they get more creative with S2.

  14. #1314
    I got almost a Star Trek TNG or Babylon 5 vibe from it actually.

    Yeah yeah, I know, you can make anything make "sense" with enough fanwank. Still just seems like the show was using heavy references to old material with little regard for whether it really fit. Hope they do less of that next season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post

    They could be spacefaring on their own, or have spread across numerous planets through other means - slavery, for example. Could be someone used them as slaves in the past and shipped them around, and that their physiology simply made them suitable for desert-like planets which is why they're often found there.
    They do have the ability to travel via starts, at least to some comic.

    But they do live somewhere else:
    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jawa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Review: not a bad little show, unambitious and not anything ground-breaking but solid. Lots of things to like.
    Carbonite could have spread when Jabba had success with Han. He obviously liked to show it off and it likely spread from there. Innovation can happen and the show is set in times after the OT.

    Jawas have been relocated, emigrated, and what else to several worlds. They are native though to tatooine as you suggested. The Prequels have "Jawa Juice" ordered in a restaurant. It is clear that Jawa's are known more then simply being a backwater planet would allow. It is unclear how much of their history has survived Disney however. So much of the known stuff may be "Legends" only.

    Storm troopers do have good aim. Even in the movies much of their "bad aim" is just for the plot. You know so the end credits don't roll right away after they one hit kill everything. The also referenced the bad aim in the prison break episode. It is just a fun little thing. And I don't think everyone has to have good aim even more so when the empire has fallen and we have "back water" scout troops. There is a reason why off planet troops were brought in for the "real" battle.

    As for the species of Yoda we do not know. George Lucas specifically kept it a mystery through out all of his ownership. It was one of the few things that was off limits and kept off limits. Even when they were allowed to kill off "main characters" in the Vong series. The child could be a genetic experiment. It could be a clone. It could be anything. Midichlorians are no more crazy then anything else in Star Wars and are cannon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Review: not a bad little show, unambitious and not anything ground-breaking but solid. Lots of things to like.

    Also full of lore niggles that drive me mad because I'm a huge nerd. Carbonite freezing was an industrial process Vader co-opted to trap Luke and tested on Han one time, but now apparently it's the default means of Mandalorians carrying prisoners.
    In Empire Darth Vader states that the facilities are crude but should suffice. Lando mentions its only been used on carbonite so they test in on Han. I would imagine that a better machine could be used on life forms. They also use the process in clone wars on Anakin, Obi-wan and a bunch of troopers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    In Empire Darth Vader states that the facilities are crude but should suffice. Lando mentions its only been used on carbonite so they test in on Han. I would imagine that a better machine could be used on life forms. They also use the process in clone wars on Anakin, Obi-wan and a bunch of troopers.
    Also, added that Jabba was a well known gangster that had Han on his wall for about a year ... it was going to get out about his "favorite" decoration so carbonite freezing would become more popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    In Empire Darth Vader states that the facilities are crude but should suffice. Lando mentions its only been used on carbonite so they test in on Han. I would imagine that a better machine could be used on life forms. They also use the process in clone wars on Anakin, Obi-wan and a bunch of troopers.
    I might've given it more of a pass if they'd at least tried to make it look like a different, more sophisticated version of carbon freezing, but no it's pretty much just like the one in Empire complete with the little read-out display.

    It's there for nostalgia. We can invent headcanon to explain it sure, but I still mark it as a demerit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I might've given it more of a pass if they'd at least tried to make it look like a different, more sophisticated version of carbon freezing, but no it's pretty much just like the one in Empire complete with the little read-out display.

    It's there for nostalgia. We can invent headcanon to explain it sure, but I still mark it as a demerit.
    It’s not really head canon, the readout is exactly how it is in clone wars. It would be head canon to expect a different process.

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