Trust in Vladimir Putin declines steeply among Russians, poll shows

[Independent voter]

Is there any point to any of your threads? Un-popular decisions need to be made, even if some pro-western quisling was in power, would make the same thing Putin did with the pensions, and then you wouldn't even have made the thread, u lil hypocrite.

Invade Ukraine? No problem.
Meddle in Elections? No problem.
Kill hundreds of Europeans on flight MH17? No problem.
Kill a British citizen while trying to kill former Russians? No problem.

Raise the retirement age to 65? Get the bastard out of there!


Where did I error with above? Russians don't care if their government commits crimes against other countries. The only care if their retirement age gets cut.

[Ghostpanther]

Invade Ukraine? No problem.
Meddle in Elections? No problem.
Kill hundreds of Europeans on flight MH17? No problem.
Kill a British citizen while trying to kill former Russians? No problem.

Raise the retirement age to 65? Get the bastard out of there!


Where did I error with above? Russians don't care if their government commits crimes against other countries. The only care if their retirement age gets cut.

You didn't make any errors. Those who do not like your threads, can not read them. No one is forcing them to. But some want to bitch anyway.

If you look at the polls for what is the most important things for US citizens to consider when they vote, the top two are the Economy and Healthcare. Things which directly effect them.

[DinardJoulien]

(It's late and I got my forums mixed up, sorry. meant to put this in politics)

All the crap Putin pulled and what earns him the ire of the Russian people? His raising of the retirement age.

Invade Ukraine? No problem.
Meddle in Elections? No problem.
Kill hundreds of Europeans on flight MH17? No problem.
Kill a British citizen while trying to kill former Russians? No problem.

Raise the retirement age to 65? Get the bastard out of there!

Obviously, because, most of this stuff was twisted by Russian media to present as a victim and in a positive light, but there was no way to do so with rising retirement age, especially after all tricks Russian government has done to rob people.

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You'd think that shooting down a civilian aircraft, and then deny the obvious would cause some kind of reaction from the public.

It caused.
But do you think that people would demand to impeach president just because of that?
And even if they did, it would have been useless.

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If you have no sense of right and wrong and believe moral values are secondary to personal gain then yeah why should they care if their leader is a corrupt murderer.

Or when you live and totalitarian country, where even posting funny caricature of the Putin and Co, might net 2 years in the jail.
Good luck trying to keep your sense of right in such conditions, muh brave internet justice guy.

[kenthovind]

Invade Ukraine? No problem.
Meddle in Elections? No problem.
Kill hundreds of Europeans on flight MH17? No problem.
Kill a British citizen while trying to kill former Russians? No problem.

Raise the retirement age to 65? Get the bastard out of there!


Where did I error with above? Russians don't care if their government commits crimes against other countries. The only care if their retirement age gets cut.

1: USA invaded Iraq, Syria, Libya, created ISIS, refugee crisis. No problem.
2: Meddle in elections? USA has meddled in elections for 70 years by killing leaders, overthrowing them by arming their enemies. Compare that to hacking th DNC to reveal facts.
3: Ukraine weapons shot down MH17.
4: Skripal poisoning was a false flag and anyone with an iq above 50 can see it. If you really think they smuggled novichok to UK and then failed to kill a single person with it, you deserve what's coming.

5: Illuminati is mad at russia because they finished off ISIS and the other pro ISIS rebels, that's when their anti russia propaganda started.

6: You are probably so low iq that you even believe assad used chemical weapons, is there any government conspiracy theory you don't fall for you balding loser?

[DinardJoulien]

Enough to actually do something about it? Caring enough to talk about it on forums is not caring.

And what do you do do fix bad injustices in your country aside from posting on the forum?

Realistically people of Russia can't do anything against Putin and his cronies. They have army in their pocket and, as it was proven time and time again they won't hesitate to use to quell unrest. The only thing that can take Putin down is either bloody revolution, since Russia don't do bloodless revolutions or change in the government from the inside (unlikely).

So far it seems that Russia heads right to the another economical and political crisis, which might become an event leading to its final collapse as faux-empire, like economical crisis was the trigger behind collapse of the USSR.

[kenthovind]

More trustworthy than any US president in the past 100 years.

[DinardJoulien]

There isn't really anyone, the reason he's managed to get elected four times despite low support and multiple low turnouts is because the opposing parties couldn't find anyone remotely as popular, and the one politician who is significantly more popular than him (Dmitry Medvedev) is a political ally and his Prime Minister.

There are barely any opposing parties.

All real opposition has been eliminated or silenced. "Opposition" in the government is just your typical "pocket opposition" which exists solely to give illusion of the democracy and multi-party system. In reality they agree with each other 99 times out of 100.

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You're contradicting yourself. Of course there is someone. You mentioned him already; Medvedev. He replaced Putin once already. He'll do it again.

Unlikely.

Medvedev has committed political suicide when he swapped places with Putin once more. Unlike Putin, whose popularity was by-product of PR companies and his personal charisma, Medvedev has nothing of that. If anything most Russians are either don't care about him or despise him.

[kenthovind]

Do you balding losers ever do any research? I know it's a little hard to find facts now since Pentagon partnered with Google to rig the search results in favor of CIA propaganda, but still, use your 80 iq brain more, it was ukranian rebels that shot down the plane. If we are going to blame a president for the actions of rebels they support, then Obama should hang for creating ISIS and al-nusra and all the 300,000 people the pro ISIS rebels killed in Syria.

Illuminati is mad russia helps Syria, that's the only reason this propaganda war started. And if you think Russia is behind the novichok false flag, your brain is non existant.

[DinardJoulien]

Not "really", IIRC apart from Ukraine the only other part of Russia that became independent as a result of the USSR dissolving is Belarus and they are on friendly terms with Russia (so no need to annex them as they are already a buffer state but a self funding one).

That's about all they could realistically go after (and have any viable shot at), the rest of the "former Russian but not anymore" territories don't really have any Russian ethnicity. I.E Alaska was sold to the US long before the USSR formed (so good luck getting that back even if they wanted it), Finland broke away prior to the prior to the formation of the USSR (they escaped due to the fall of the Tsar) and if Russia wanted it back they would have done so after beating them in WW2, finally eastern Poland is a non-starter as it's a member of the EU and NATO.

Finland was granted independence by Lenin.
And later Stalin attempted to conquer it and surprisingly had suffered a defeat.

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Because they are all reasons the Russian economy is in tatters. If you want to know what happens when the rest of the world hates you due to a shitty leader take a look at Russia. If you are American take a second look as half the country seems hellbent on going down the same route.

Russian media has spun all of those things into "West is evil and want to unjustly blame Russia because Russia is the last TRUE SOURCE OF JUSTICE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOOD IN THE WORLD and all other countries and envious of it and want to see it destroyed!!"
Giving Russian history it's easy to see why this propaganda is quite effective.

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Where did he even get any trust to begin with!?

Because he wasn't lame as drunkard Yeltsin.
And because of surge in the economy (which had nothing to do with Putin, but with rising prices for the oil, but of course he had presented it as HIS victory).

[stevenho]

All the crap Putin pulled and what earns him the ire of the Russian people? His raising of the retirement age.

Invade Ukraine? No problem.
Meddle in Elections? No problem.
Kill hundreds of Europeans on flight MH17? No problem.
Kill a British citizen while trying to kill former Russians? No problem.

Raise the retirement age to 65? Get the bastard out of there!

Not sure if you're trolling or are genuinely highschool level naive.
That's how things had been working since mankind began.

[JohnBrown1917]

1: USA invaded Iraq, Syria, Libya, created ISIS, refugee crisis. No problem.
2: Meddle in elections? USA has meddled in elections for 70 years by killing leaders, overthrowing them by arming their enemies. Compare that to hacking th DNC to reveal facts.
3: Ukraine weapons shot down MH17.
4: Skripal poisoning was a false flag and anyone with an iq above 50 can see it. If you really think they smuggled novichok to UK and then failed to kill a single person with it, you deserve what's coming.

5: Illuminati is mad at russia because they finished off ISIS and the other pro ISIS rebels, that's when their anti russia propaganda started.

6: You are probably so low iq that you even believe assad used chemical weapons, is there any government conspiracy theory you don't fall for you balding loser?

lol at people who still believe this, even with all the evidence that exists.

[Dudenoso]

Where did I error with above? Russians don't care if their government commits crimes against other countries. The only care if their retirement age gets cut.

Why do you feel the need to single out Russians? That's standard human behaviour.

[AsGryffynn]

Why would Russians care about everything else but the last one???

Bingo.

All this shite for letting urgently needed reforms rot for 20+ years...

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Too bad they literally just reelected the man in March to another 6 years in office.

well it is not the reasons.

sure it affects russian economics but that's not the main problem

the actual problem is government not doing anything about economics being dependant on selling resources to other countries. still acting like there's no sanctions and other thing, acting blind and deaf

though must be said sanctions is not actually only putin's problem. coz europe was looking for other sources of gas and oil to be not dependant from russia for a long time so Ukraine (who cares about it lol) was just a chance to escalate things and crisis would happen sooner or later

Bin...go...

Lesson learned. Guys, seriously, don't delay structural reforms. Otherwise, you'll end like Venezuela.

[Biske]

Some people do, belive it or not.

We're in the minority, though.

[AsGryffynn]

You're contradicting yourself. Of course there is someone. You mentioned him already; Medvedev. He replaced Putin once already. He'll do it again.

And hopefully finish what he started and put the eggheads sleeping under their desks right now in charge again.

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The Emperor truly has no clothes on

Its one thing to try to rebuild the USSR but its another to find jobs for people when your economy is in shambles and is only relying on petrochemicals like Oil and Gas which aint gonna last forever especially if technology makes them obsolete.

Putin and his USSR dreams is dying and the Russian people need to step up and ditch that lunatic and reach out to a wider world and true prosperity and not deluded dreams of grandeur by a ex KGB crook on a nostalgia trip!!!.

Those dreams are not deluded at all. Getting to them via dinosaur juice, however, is...

[Deleted]

Or when you live and totalitarian country, where even posting funny caricature of the Putin and Co, might net 2 years in the jail.
Good luck trying to keep your sense of right in such conditions, muh brave internet justice guy.

I was more refering to the guy I responded to who said "Why should they care". I do understand it's difficult when you are brainwashed daily by state propaganda to see the truth of things.

[Firatha]

1: USA invaded Iraq, Syria, Libya, created ISIS, refugee crisis. No problem.
2: Meddle in elections? USA has meddled in elections for 70 years by killing leaders, overthrowing them by arming their enemies. Compare that to hacking th DNC to reveal facts.
3: Ukraine weapons shot down MH17.
4: Skripal poisoning was a false flag and anyone with an iq above 50 can see it. If you really think they smuggled novichok to UK and then failed to kill a single person with it, you deserve what's coming.

5: Illuminati is mad at russia because they finished off ISIS and the other pro ISIS rebels, that's when their anti russia propaganda started.

6: You are probably so low iq that you even believe assad used chemical weapons, is there any government conspiracy theory you don't fall for you balding loser?

Says some crazy person.

[Underverse]

As usual people only give a shit when its their stuff on the line.

I have little sympathy for anyone involved in this or affected by it - except for those who have been pushing for change from the start.

[Deleted]

You'd think that shooting down a civilian aircraft, and then deny the obvious would cause some kind of reaction from the public.

Russians worship Putin as a god. Unless Putin starts harming the russians themselves, they really don't give a crap what he does.

[Underverse]

lol at people who still believe this, even with all the evidence that exists.

I mean three lines down he's talking about the Illuminati so...