what future allied race you want to add to wow ?

[Maxilian]

Damn, the Allied Races that I mostly ones are "repeated" skeletons, but mostly because I want some races to be "complete", like the Ice Dwarfs in Stormpeak or the Taunka and Yaungol, and many of the other Troll clans

[Hardwing]

Damn, the Allied Races that I mostly ones are "repeated" skeletons, but mostly because I want some races to be "complete", like the Ice Dwarfs in Stormpeak or the Taunka and Yaungol, and many of the other Troll clans

These are some of my favorites, too! Another would be Fel Orc ...

Let's face it. Blizz has a problem by having too many interesting races. Making them playable would be a great new feature, but demand a ton of resources to be done right. I mean skins, models, areas and lore. It isn't that Blizz couldn't do it, but it would demand a change of philosophy and an effort to balance things out.

Thinking about balance made reconsider the options for Covenant Races: Wouldn't it be better if we got six? Venthyr, Stoneborn and Skeletons(or Gladiators) as Horde and Sylvars, Winged Kyrians and Stewards as Alliance?

It might sound like a joke, but consider this: The Horde got Vulpera, a smaller, fluffy race. Why shouldn't the Alliance get another? They are practically made to serve and so fit right in to some of the Alliance's more light-oriented factions.

[Alanar]

An Ogre female model would most likely be based on the female Kul Tiran skeleton.

I also dont see that happening.. the kul tiran arent realy popular.. Looking at the rexxar model which looks way better. Hopefully they go that route and not kul tiran female. Right now there is no female version, but its possible we just dont know.

Who says we get maldraxxus as a covenant playable or any at all? We have no confirmation that they will. Besides the maldraxxus covenant has no real focus on 1 race, they are just a bunch of undead creatures and the gladiators are just guards.. so idk man.

They would need to be made playable.. kyrian and venthyr seem more likely, but even they use alot of attachted armor pieces and not very player gear ready. So they need work.. and the question is: will they even?? No one knows, its just speculation.

[geegeemacky]

The Klingons

[username993720]

I really don't think you do. They are literally beings with a higher purpose that goes beyond the political struggles of ONE mortal world. Like any proposal that doesn't try to approach the metaphysical and ideological divide feels shallow, and you don't go into any sort of depth into what motivation and context would make these races want to come to Azeroth and join a faction war.

And yet, we are the only mortals there who impact that realm. We are special. We are the chosen ones. We are the champions, heroes and stuff... You treat us like we haven't been upgraded into literal god-slayers. It's not just any world. It's Azeroth - the mortal of which saved their entire realm from damnation. The reason is very simple (as was with the other allied races): we helped them. We gained reputation with them. We peaked their interest. We allied with them and we forged a bond with them. The Kyrian even say how they want to visit our planet. There's no need for a complex explanation like you make it seem like.

lmao or maybe there's just a restriction as to what classes can "ascend"

Which, doesn't make sense. Why would one and not the other? any class can die and become a covenant "champion". There's no distinction in the Shadowlands.

Thinking about balance made reconsider the options for Covenant Races: Wouldn't it be better if we got six? Venthyr, Stoneborn and Skeletons(or Gladiators) as Horde and Sylvars, Winged Kyrians and Stewards as Alliance?

Not going to happen. It's one from each covenant.
Stoneborn use the Metamorphosis/Arrakoa skeleton, which is not on a playable standard.
Skeletons, while they use the Kul Tiran skeleton, do not have a female model (and cannot have, since skeletons lack genders).
Stewards do not posses two gender models, as well.
You're unlikely to get winged Kyrian, but the wingless ones.

I also dont see that happening.. the kul tiran arent realy popular.. Looking at the rexxar model which looks way better. Hopefully they go that route and not kul tiran female. Right now there is no female version, but its possible we just dont know.

What does popularity have to do with it? They added new Kul Tiran skeletons for that occasion exactly, while all other allied races were rehashed ones. By the way, Rexxar is using a Kul Tiran skeleton.

Who says we get maldraxxus as a covenant playable or any at all? We have no confirmation that they will. Besides the maldraxxus covenant has no real focus on 1 race, they are just a bunch of undead creatures and the gladiators are just guards.. so idk man.

One from each covenant. Only the Gladiators have a male and a female counterparts. And, they are very likely, since these races are almost on par with playable ones.

They would need to be made playable.. kyrian and venthyr seem more likely, but even they use alot of attachted armor pieces and not very player gear ready. So they need work.. and the question is: will they even?? No one knows, its just speculation.

So is almost every race before it becomes playable. Hardly a reason against.
All things point to them becoming playable sometime in the future.

[Alanar]

And yet, we are the only mortals there who impact that realm. We are special. We are the chosen ones. We are the champions, heroes and stuff... You treat us like we haven't been upgraded into literal god-slayers. It's not just any world. It's Azeroth - the mortal of which saved their entire realm from damnation. The reason is very simple (as was with the other allied races): we helped them. We gained reputation with them. We peaked their interest. We allied with them and we forged a bond with them. The Kyrian even say how they want to visit our planet. There's no need for a complex explanation like you make it seem like.



Which, doesn't make sense. Why would one and not the other? any class can die and become a covenant "champion". There's no distinction in the Shadowlands.



Not going to happen. It's one from each covenant.
Stoneborn use the Metamorphosis/Arrakoa skeleton, which is not on a playable standard.
Skeletons, while they use the Kul Tiran skeleton, do not have a female model (and cannot have, since skeletons lack genders).
Stewards do not posses two gender models, as well.
You're unlikely to get winged Kyrian, but the wingless ones.




What does popularity have to do with it? They added new Kul Tiran skeletons for that occasion exactly, while all other allied races were rehashed ones. By the way, Rexxar is using a Kul Tiran skeleton.



One from each covenant. Only the Gladiators have a male and a female counterparts. And, they are very likely, since these races are almost on par with playable ones.



So is almost every race before it becomes playable. Hardly a reason against.
All things point to them becoming playable sometime in the future.

I mean this is just your own opinion that you think its likely, again there is no reason to believe that. Yes they use kul tiran model and happen to have a female model, but that is no reason to believe they will become playable.. they are just guards and nothing else and honestly.. they have no faces at all! They just never felt like playable material to me. If any.. would be these skeleton dudes with hair and unique bone features, but even that doesnt scream playable to me. They could be.. but at this point its any ones guess, but saying its likely is a bit to much.

Yes its just speculation.. maybe we get all covenants, maybe just 2 or none at all. Legion ar didnt give us Vrykul or broken when they were more likely then covenant races are in general, but we also didnt got them.

Popularity is and will always be a motivator for devs why do you think void elves excist?

[username993720]

I mean this is just your own opinion that you think its likely, again there is no reason to believe that.

Are you aware of Allied race addition pattern?
Male and Female counterparts? ✓
Up-to-date textures and animations? ✓
Several customization options? ✓
Unique animations? ✓
Usage of pre-existing skeletal rig?✓
Unplayable fantasy creatures? ✓

Yes they use kul tiran model and happen to have a female model, but that is no reason to believe they will become playable.. they are just guards and nothing else and honestly.. they have no faces at all! They just never felt like playable material to me.

Guards... they have an entire house dedicated to them.

If any.. would be these skeleton dudes with hair and unique bone features, but even that doesnt scream playable to me. They could be.. but at this point its any ones guess, but saying its likely is a bit to much.

Skeletons would not become playable. You cannot differentiate between genders.

Yes its just speculation.. maybe we get all covenants, maybe just 2 or none at all. Legion ar didnt give us Vrykul or broken when they were more likely then covenant races are in general, but we also didnt got them.

Why would you give 2 and neglect the others? Unless further patches introduce new possible races, the four covenant one are the best options we have.

Popularity is and will always be a motivator for devs why do you think void elves excist?

Because of Dark elves in fantasy RPG, that's why.

[Triceron]

I also dont see that happening.. the kul tiran arent realy popular.. Looking at the rexxar model which looks way better. Hopefully they go that route and not kul tiran female. Right now there is no female version, but its possible we just dont know.

This hit the nail on the head for me.

I don't see why anyone would lobby for a faceless Maldraxxian Gladiator when they're literally using the same bodytype as Rexxar, and the Mok'nathal have a much deeper connection to the Horde already as well as having a functional face and animations to go with.

The Shadowlands races are all tied to the Shadowlands, and the whole Gladiator thing is kind of messed up lore since we see major lore characters in the House of the Chosen choosing their own forms rather than be the faceless Gladiator variety. Lady Vashj is literally there telling you how she chose her form. Draka and Morgraine also retain their old forms. That should speak volumes about how the Houses operate, and every other faceless soldier NPC is literally a faceless soldier.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

You're unlikely to get winged Kyrian, but the wingless ones.

A flying race like the Kyrians would be cool. Aion let you play as angels and being able to fly around was a ton of fun. Just make it into a glider mechanic similar to the way GW2 did flying mounts, or Demon Hunters in WoW.

[username993720]

A flying race like the Kyrians would be cool. Aion let you play as angels and being able to fly around was a ton of fun. Just make it into a glider mechanic similar to the way GW2 did flying mounts, or Demon Hunters in WoW.

Perhaps a racial trait, but not part of the model.
We would get blue and purple variants, however.

[DatToffer]

"Skeletons would not become playable. You cannot differentiate between genders."

Erasing the differences between genders is a new trend they could follow with that

[Triceron]

"Skeletons would not become playable. You cannot differentiate between genders."

Erasing the differences between genders is a new trend they could follow with that

It really should be something they should consider.

Broken Draenei, Ogres and Furbolgs would all benefit from this. Just avoid gender classification altogether and treat them neutrally. I don't think we need a female Ethereal if they make a model that is androgynous enough to represent either sex

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

I'd love for the latter to be the case since I think there's a lot of lore potential in Shadowlands, and exploring more than just the 4 realms. We've only scratched the surface of the afterworld here.

But realistically speaking, things have been moving slower than a snail's pace, and it's absolutely backwards to expect us to stay any longer than necessary when most people are already waiting on the next expansion and sick and tired of the main Sylvanas-centric storyline as it is.

Any aims for new races should really be placed on what could be coming up next, as it really should always be. Races being added in retrospect of the expansion just feels like 'filler', like they couldn't plan anything better for that expansion so they have to take the best bits of the last one to fill in the gaps. That's exactly how I felt about the Race additions in BFA. It wasn't as much a crowd pleaser as much as fulfilling a status quo for (a lack of) Expansion Features

Yeah, I would hardly call any of the added AR's deep content, but it does generate engagement. I still remember how many people were leveling their Broken Isles Allied Races during the pre-expansion Hiatus. If anything, I see the possibility of SL AR's as a retention measure, less so to do with the lore content of the Shadowlands themselves. I don't see SL going past 9.2 tbh, so I do think it's possible we see some new AR's to milk a bit more content and retention out of it before 10.0

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And yet, we are the only mortals there who impact that realm. We are special. We are the chosen ones. We are the champions, heroes and stuff... You treat us like we haven't been upgraded into literal god-slayers. It's not just any world. It's Azeroth - the mortal of which saved their entire realm from damnation. The reason is very simple (as was with the other allied races): we helped them. We gained reputation with them. We peaked their interest. We allied with them and we forged a bond with them. The Kyrian even say how they want to visit our planet. There's no need for a complex explanation like you make it seem like.

Honestly as long as you dismiss the simple fact as to why any of the SL races would care about the faction war -which is specifically the point, not whether would they care about Azeroth or not and would like to come, hence, the neutrality idea- this conversation is fruitless.

Which, doesn't make sense. Why would one and not the other? any class can die and become a covenant "champion". There's no distinction in the Shadowlands.

Then they should be all classes! Like either way, being ascended or proper kyrian themselves, they SHOULD have every class available nonetheless.

[username993720]

Erasing the differences between genders is a new trend they could follow with that

Well, not in WoW. Not yet.

Honestly as long as you dismiss the simple fact as to why any of the SL races would care about the faction war -which is specifically the point, not whether would they care about Azeroth or not and would like to come, hence, the neutrality idea- this conversation is fruitless.

Why do Mechangomes, Lightforged Draenei, Mag'har Orcs, Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne do? they had nothing to do with it and were simply pulled into the situation. They care because they are part of a faction, that's all.

Then they should be all classes! Like either way, being ascended or proper kyrian themselves, they SHOULD have every class available nonetheless.

You do realize how senseless this is, right?
All 4 Shadowlands races having Druid forms, all 4 Shadowlands races being Demon Hunters with unique Metamorphosis, Venthyr being able to be Paladins when they burn from exposure to light, Necrolords being Paladins when they are undead creatures. Sylvar and Kyrian being Warlocks when they are so pure and kindhearted.
You clearly haven't thought this through - like T&E.

[MyWholeLifeIsThunder]

Why do Mechangomes, Lightforged Draenei, Mag'har Orcs, Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne do? they had nothing to do with it and were simply pulled into the situation. They care because they are part of a faction, that's all.

It's like talking to a wall.

[Napee]

Why do Mechangomes, Lightforged Draenei, Mag'har Orcs, Highmountain Tauren and Nightborne do? they had nothing to do with it and were simply pulled into the situation. They care because they are part of a faction, that's all.


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What? Your arguing against half of your own points.

[username993720]

It's like talking to a wall.

Highmountain Tauren, Nightborne, Lightforged Draenei and Mechagnomes, literally, got aid from both factions.

You put too much emphasis on the "otherworldly" connotation when we're, in fact, talking about a fantasy RPG game.

What? Your arguing against half of your own points.

Please do explain.

[Alanar]

Are you aware of Allied race addition pattern?
Male and Female counterparts? ✓
Up-to-date textures and animations? ✓
Several customization options? ✓
Unique animations? ✓
Usage of pre-existing skeletal rig?✓
Unplayable fantasy creatures? ✓



Guards... they have an entire house dedicated to them.



Skeletons would not become playable. You cannot differentiate between genders.



Why would you give 2 and neglect the others? Unless further patches introduce new possible races, the four covenant one are the best options we have.



Because of Dark elves in fantasy RPG, that's why.

I still dont think these arguments mean much in the end here. I understand you like them, but those guards are still guards... that they are part of a house is also not realy an argument. They are not even their representives, those are Draka, mograine and Vashj. I just dont view them as you do appearntly.

What I was saying about the skeletons is that they just look better.. that they are genderless is true for skeletons, but I never said they should be playable. They just look better and they have a face, hair and all sorts of options. Those guards have nothing. The only named guard npc which had a face is dead..

I respect your opinion that you like them, but I feel its more unlikely then likely.

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This hit the nail on the head for me.

I don't see why anyone would lobby for a faceless Maldraxxian Gladiator when they're literally using the same bodytype as Rexxar, and the Mok'nathal have a much deeper connection to the Horde already as well as having a functional face and animations to go with.

The Shadowlands races are all tied to the Shadowlands, and the whole Gladiator thing is kind of messed up lore since we see major lore characters in the House of the Chosen choosing their own forms rather than be the faceless Gladiator variety. Lady Vashj is literally there telling you how she chose her form. Draka and Morgraine also retain their old forms. That should speak volumes about how the Houses operate, and every other faceless soldier NPC is literally a faceless soldier.

Ye imo they are just their guards and in no way speak for the house or have any lore arround them besides krexus, who is dead.

The maldraxxus just operate differently and like you said ( good point btw) they choose their own form. Its not like we have a race called maldraxxus, like kyrian or venthyr.

For that reason I opt that its possible IF blizz realy goes that route we would get 1 for horde q for alliance. Not a huge fan of it, but its pretty easy to explain how they would go to Azeroth, we even have kyrian talking about visiting that place. What concerns me if they go this route is that... why the hell would they care for red vs blue conflicts in general? Why would they care about joining us.

But yea.. I dont see it happening either, but its not like its impossible to explain either. I rather see excisting races such as Vrykul join the horde or broken join the alliance for example. Ofc if rexxar is the perfect example for ogres and they should have been playable already imo.. they have alot of lore and ties to the horde that its just painfull we havent seen them yet. I hoped foe their true empire back in wod.. but we all know how that ended.

[username993720]

I still dont think these arguments mean much in the end here. I understand you like them, but those guards are still guards... that they are part of a house is also not realy an argument. They are not even their representives, those are Draka, mograine and Vashj. I just dont view them as you do appearntly.

They're not just guards. They are undead creatures of the House of the Chosen, just like Necromamcers and Liches are of the House of Rituals, Abominations are of the House of Constructs, Oozes are of the House of Plagues and the Arachnids are of the House of Eyes.

What I was saying about the skeletons is that they just look better.. that they are genderless is true for skeletons, but I never said they should be playable. They just look better and they have a face, hair and all sorts of options. Those guards have nothing. The only named guard npc which had a face is dead..

Only one face option. What hair? the only thing that differentiates between them is the armor they wear.
You can expect the guards to look like Krexus - Undead face, green eyes and long hair options.

I respect your opinion that you like them, but I feel its more unlikely then likely.

I has nothing to do with what i like. It is simply the most reasonable option. If they add the Shadowlands races, they can't just skip Maldraxxus.

Ye imo they are just their guards and in no way speak for the house or have any lore arround them besides krexus, who is dead.

And Vyraz.

The maldraxxus just operate differently and like you said ( good point btw) they choose their own form. Its not like we have a race called maldraxxus, like kyrian or venthyr.

Only the figures from Azeroth retain their form, so you can recognize them.
Their names would probably not be Maldraxxus Gladiator, but Maldraxxi or something like that.

For that reason I opt that its possible IF blizz realy goes that route we would get 1 for horde q for alliance. Not a huge fan of it, but its pretty easy to explain how they would go to Azeroth, we even have kyrian talking about visiting that place. What concerns me if they go this route is that... why the hell would they care for red vs blue conflicts in general? Why would they care about joining us.

Because every race that tags along does that. It's part of the "contract".

But yea.. I dont see it happening either, but its not like its impossible to explain either. I rather see excisting races such as Vrykul join the horde or broken join the alliance for example. Ofc if rexxar is the perfect example for ogres and they should have been playable already imo.. they have alot of lore and ties to the horde that its just painfull we havent seen them yet. I hoped foe their true empire back in wod.. but we all know how that ended.

Well... if you look at Kyrian, they use the female Vrykul skeleton, which is less on a playable standard than the male. If they do make them playable, Vrykul would be more likely to become too.
As for Broken, the change from the old Tauren skeleton to the updated Draenei one is promising, as it can be used to make them playable.
Ogres are long overdue. Though, i'm reluctant to base them off of a half-race (Mok'nathal). They deserve the full treatment (as no half-race was ever added). There is hope, though. The Stonemaul Ogres from alternate Draenor joining the Horde in BfA alongside the Mag'har (and the Breakers). The Kul Tiran skeleton being exactly what playable ogres need - a big, fat one. male Maldraxxi Gladiators using a modified Ogre skeleton. If they become playable, that would allow for the addition of Ogres.

[Triceron]

They're not just guards. They are undead creatures of the House of the Chosen, just like Necromamcers and Liches are of the House of Rituals, Abominations are of the House of Constructs, Oozes are of the House of Plagues and the Arachnids are of the House of Eyes.

And none of those would be playable either. Of all the houses, why just choose the faceless guards of the House of the Chosen to be playable? What would Blizzard's reasoning be to make these guards playable?

You can expect the guards to look like Krexus - Undead face, green eyes and long hair options.

How can this be expected when they don't already have faces of their own, and Krexus being the only unique model that does? We don't have a female maldraxxian face design at all in this case.

It'd have to be completely reinvented, completely new design.

The Kul Tiran skeleton being exactly what playable ogres need - a big, fat one.

Kul Tiran are already using a modified Pandaren skeleton. That'd be 3 races using the same skeleton and proportions. Sad day for Ogres too, they deserve better.

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But yea.. I dont see it happening either, but its not like its impossible to explain either. I rather see excisting races such as Vrykul join the horde or broken join the alliance for example. Ofc if rexxar is the perfect example for ogres and they should have been playable already imo.. they have alot of lore and ties to the horde that its just painfull we havent seen them yet. I hoped foe their true empire back in wod.. but we all know how that ended.

I mean I'm not against if it happens or anything. It's definitely not a lore issue to have them added, since they can bullshit any race into any faction.

I just think it's a lot of resources they'd have to devote to something that I honestly don't see a lot of people outright asking for. Venthyr, Kyrian and Sylvar? Sure, I see those asked for ever so often. But outside of the Krexus model, no one is really specifically asking to play as faceless gladiators, and some people who are arguing in favour of them are literally arguing for the sake of fulfilling a status quo.

I'm not entirely sold on the idea yet, but if Blizzard ever unveils some new Maldraxxian model for upcoming content, I'm open to considerations.


As I said earlier, I think it'd be in Blizzard's best interest to move forward. If there were any missed opportunity in Shadowlands to revisit, I'd say do a full Dark Ranger or Necromancer class rather than spend any time and resources on a bunch of races that have no real tangible relevance outside of Shadowlands.