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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Bakis View Post
    Where are our fucking promised rot changes and survivability changes???????? Grrrr
    They were coming "soon" over a month (two months?) ago, Azshara probably has them in her luggage. Be patient, it's only the first season.

  2. #182
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    Why is it that Warlocks always bitch and moan the most? Like seriously, no other class community cries as much as they do, not even the shaman community who's in a much worse spot.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    Why is it that Warlocks always bitch and moan the most? Like seriously, no other class community cries as much as they do, not even the shaman community who's in a much worse spot.
    Shamans (as a class) are fine. Individual specs, not so much, but here is a spec that is viable and excells in every part of the game. While warlocks are fine in raids, theyre shit-filled-dumpster-fire nonxviable in PvP as any spec, and just this side of trash in Mythic+.

    Your grip on reality isnt so great, tbh.

  4. #184
    yeah locks have every right to bitch loudly regarding our state in pvp.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Zythe View Post
    Control? What control do they have? Are you talking about the 3sec root? Once the DR kick in, they are punchable turrets.
    Both Mortal Coil and Entrenched inflames both replicate with havoc regardless if specced into focused chaos. The ability to snare, and horrify two players in one use of havoc is massive when lining up a kill. Coupled with Shadow Fury, Fear, Succubus seduce, Banish. If you argue " What control" then you just want to complain about something you do not understand. I'm not saying warlock in pvp is in a GREAT position like rogues, or mages. Although, despite the squishyness of warlocks right now. That does not mean their damage, and pvp presence is non-existent

    Quote Originally Posted by Baconeggcheese View Post
    Been playing WW in arenas recently, whenever I see a lock regardless of spec they're basically just a punching bag that can't do anything to stop the incoming damage after their very limited defensives drop.
    I never argued against the fact warlock survivablity is questionable. Also, mentioned nothing about longevity. Simple put, warlock has an acceptable ( by BFA Standards) toolkit. That doesn't mean they can actually utilize it. The problem is not damage nor lack of diverse Diminishing CC. It's purely they take damage way to easy, and outside of unending resolve they are completely at the mercy of interrupts . Specifically Affliction whose only spell pool is shadow.
    Quote Originally Posted by evertonbelmontt View Post
    IIRC the best warlock atm is Thugonomicz and he himself said warlocks are weak.
    Maldiva rerolled Moonkin and in 3 days (I think) got to glad rank in 3's once he started doing arenas. He solo'd a destro warlock in 2.4k rating.

    He could just as easily be even higher rated with ANY other caster. I'm not exagerating, it's literally any other caster.

    Destro only kills you if you do not know how to play against it or gets punished way too hard for overextending if your teammates are all blizzcon material.

    The damage is fine, the control is "ok", but if you're not tunneling a warlock you're doing it wrong.
    Which is why warlocks are seeing defensive buffs, and almost no damage nerfs.
    I agree that tunneling a warlock is the only realistic option. They just can't deal with melee like they used too. And unless you're playing with a fire mage, more than likely you will be a punching bag.

    I agree with the common mentality that warlocks are not the threatening presence like we saw in the past.
    Although, when I'm able to actually do my thing. I've found destro, and demo extremely fun to play. Affliction is okay, just feels cluncky af playing around inevitable demise

    It's come to the point where two casters have absurd damage, great survivbility, and at its simplest just better to take.

    What I've always had a problem with was the lack on consistent balance and or tuning of numbers. Yet, we still have Blizzard holding out 4-5 months for significant changes ( non-game breaking ).
    mages (fire) and Boomkins have completely taken the spot light for casters in pvp.
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  6. #186
    Quote Originally Posted by JabJack View Post
    I never argued against the fact warlock survivablity is questionable. Also, mentioned nothing about longevity.
    Talking up their damage + control implies that they're able to be competitive due to those factors. There are plenty of specs in the game with mediocre survivability but the damage + control to make them competitive.

    Destruction does not have the damage and control to make up for its shortcomings.

    Simple put, warlock has an acceptable ( by BFA Standards) toolkit. That doesn't mean they can actually utilize it.
    This is an oxymoron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TriHard View Post
    Why is it that Warlocks always bitch and moan the most? Like seriously, no other class community cries as much as they do, not even the shaman community who's in a much worse spot.
    Clearly never opened the mage forums when they aren't fashionably overpowered.

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