Thread: Mythic+ Help?

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    Mythic+ Help?

    How are warlocks in mythic+?

    I get a lot of pushback from groups not wanting warlocks, especially affliction.

    Last Season I got +10 in all dungeons and have 2 left this season but getting groups is getting hard.


    I read some guides saying Affliction is great for bosses, less so on trash, but ok enough.
    I read other guides saying Affliction isnt good enough for higher keys (but what is a 'higher' key).
    The other specs seem to produce similair numbers, so is it really worth swapping to another?

    Im 435 with a 1k IO atm.

    What is good enough dps? I only want to get to +15
    On bosses I will pull about 30k.
    On bigger trash pulls I have 50k+
    On small trash pulls, most times my dots dont make a dent cause theres no ramp up.



    Last night I finished a +13 Waycrest Manor. Leader kicked me just after the final pull and I get ported out. He was hoping I wouldnt get credit as I was the lowest DPS. Avg 30k and 40k on the bosses, so I dont know what to make of that.

    What numbers should I be aiming for?

  2. #2
    Play demo

    Afflic is possibly the worst spec in the game for M+. It doesn't have the toolkit to be efficient in keys. Being great on bosses doesn't count for much (even on high tyrannical keys) when it can't contribute much to the overall speed of the key beyond that.

  3. #3
    You are a victim of the current meta. Any class, any spec is more than capable of doing 10s and 15s. Warlocks are "fine". All 3 specs are usable; affliction is arguably the least desirable apples to apples due to the very poor aoe and necessary ramp up, though you can offset that a fair amount with Focusing Iris major essence. Demo is generally considered the go-to for M+ because it has good on demand AoE via implosion and respectable single target damage, with a short-cooldown Tyrant for more flexibility than Darkglare or Infernal. The downside is a lack of an interrupt without gimping your DPS, which your group will have to agree to work around.

    I pushed to 2k this season for the first time this xpac after waltzing through 21s/22s in Legion. I did that my building a friends list and now I get groups based off the rating I earned (sometimes) simply because it's rare to see a warlock at that level. It was not easy to push that high not being a resto druid, prot warrior, outlaw rogue, etc. and I'm sure I've pretty much hit the cap of what I can do without a full premade. It isn't that warlocks are poor so much as they just aren't as good as most other classes for what's desired in M+. They don't have the interrupts melee classes do, limited uses of gateway or soulstone that couldn't be covered by shroud or invis pots, and their aoe is at best only just as good as a BM hunter, UH DK, Fury warrior, Outlaw rogue, etc. and likely worse. Interrupt requirements alone in higher keys is a reason to stack melee vs. ranged . . . you never want more than 1 ranged and you'd get same or better damage and more utility from a hunter or ele shaman, so if given the choice pugs will choose the "stronger" class just as often as they'll take the guy with 2k io over the guy with 1.5k io even though that's not a guarantee of relative skill or experience.

    Stick with the class if you enjoy it and prove yourself to some regular key runners and hope they "bring the player not the class", or make one of the flavor of the month classes.

    Good luck to you.

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Killsy View Post
    It isn't that warlocks are poor so much as they just aren't as good as most other classes
    Lol.

    I don't even... If that's not the definition of poor I don't know what is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Play demo

    Afflic is possibly the worst spec in the game for M+. It doesn't have the toolkit to be efficient in keys. Being great on bosses doesn't count for much (even on high tyrannical keys) when it can't contribute much to the overall speed of the key beyond that.
    For the record, aff is completely viable in 10s and 11s and 12s and 13s and 14s and probably even higher. I don't pug that much, but I did pug once like a month ago and played aff after convincing some noobs to take me and completely stomped them on overall damage. I did like 46k overall or something, which isn't amazing in a real group, but in small/slow pulling pugs is completely fine.

    The reality is aff is fine for lower end keys, it's just trash in higher level keys but the player base tends to be stupid and not understand how much of a joke lower keys are, so they think only meta classes can do them.

    The whole thing becomes more hilarious when you realize these people refusing to take off meta specs to +10s are doing like 25k overall dps playing havoc/outlaw.

    To put it into perspective how easy low keys are, when we did alt keys last weekend and didn't have a healer. I went holy with no traits and 415 ilevel and we were 2 chesting 12s and 13s. Our DPS comp consisted of a 420 aff warlock, a 410 ilevel spriest, and a god damn BM hunter.

    The point is, pugging in this game is awful and people have no idea what they're talking about or doing. Do you want m+ help OP? Join a decent guild.
    Last edited by asil; 2019-11-01 at 10:29 AM.

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    I am 1798 raider IO score and struggle to get invites past 12-14. It sucks because the only improvements I can make to my score are in the 17-18 range but I can try all day and not get invites. Most of my 15-17 keys have been done with friends cause pugs will not give locks the time of day

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    Play demo

    Afflic is possibly the worst spec in the game for M+. It doesn't have the toolkit to be efficient in keys. Being great on bosses doesn't count for much (even on high tyrannical keys) when it can't contribute much to the overall speed of the key beyond that.
    This is 100% accurate.

    Unless you have a group that is okay with trading your high ST, for low AoE, then you will have to play Demo.

    I ran most keys upwards of 15, but it was a guild group, and ST aff burst is still pretty good. So they knew I would do mechanics, etc and it was a decent trade off as the other two dps went a tiny bit more AoE.

    If I pugged though, I would literally be asked to swap to Demo, or leave the group. It is one of the reasons I unsubbed. M+ is my favorite aspect of the game, and it is ruined because of how we go from being #1 for M+ to being dead last. Makes zero sense, unless you're Blizzard of course.

    On bosses your burst should be upwards of 60-80k, then come down to about 40-45k depending on the length of the fight.

    AoE, could be all over the place depending on mob density as well as CDs available, etc. But if you consistently average 50k, while your other dps are over 100k , or more, hard to keep you around. Trash tend to take longer than bosses.
    Last edited by agentsi; 2019-11-01 at 02:50 PM.

  8. #8
    M+ in Bfa is a design failure. Dungeons packed full of obnoxious trash requiring short cd interrupts and aoe stuns and mass stealth all the time.

    And Blizzard doesn't change a damn thing about it. A whole expansion long.

  9. #9
    @JustaWarlock

    Right? I was thinking to myself:

    "WTF is this, a gaidax warlock smurf account?" Kek

    @Gaidax



    @Killsy

    We suck, plain and simple.


    @OP

    I have 2.2k, Afflic is the worst of them all, maybe the worst in the game for m+. If you're aiming for 15, go demon. If you're aiming at 15+, I prefer destro. We do big pulls and capitalize on destro's infernal for 18 and higher.

    Destro also has purge and interrupt that may make or break some keys.

    Imp's dispell too.

    But expect a lot of denials into getting groups. Mages can do what we do way better and is more fast paced for chain pulls.
    Thanks for the heads up!

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