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    Quote Originally Posted by -Zanarika- View Post
    Accepting and Encouraging aren't the same thing. Most races would still prefer not using it or seeing it used. They see it as a necessary evil.

    The nightfallen are forced to use Fel in order to allow their ranks to be resistant against it. They don't literally practice the art or encourage its' practice. It's a mere tool of retaliation.

    Also I forgot to comment it but I found it funny that you compared having Zandalari Warlocks to Gnomes in the Horde, that's a false equivalence if I've ever seen one, you're reaching for the freaking stars.

    But mind you, I enjoy the outcast nature of the Warlock class. I play a Nightborne Warlock, it makes for great and enjoyable RP. I don't think not having a class available because it's socially frowned upon or disencouraged is right, specially when they exist in the lore, exist in the game and in the Zandalari case, existed in their society for a long time.
    The zandalari outlaw warlocks
    as do the horde outlaw gnomes
    how is that "reachign for the stars"
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    it is literally as simple as that, and that you cant understand that is degrading.
    zandalari outlaw warlocks
    just like horde outlaw gnomes

    there is a difference between "frowned upon" and "literally fucking illegal"
    cheating on your wife while frowned upon will not get you in jail.
    murdering her will, they are not on the same level, because they are both bad, one is illegal, and a crime, the other is just... bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NabyBro View Post
    What people don't seem to understand is that Zandalari warlocks were a thing during the 1 year period before blizzcon (and even ON blizzcon) while paladins were not, and were only switched because Blizz saw an opportunity at giving the horde another paladin race, even tho they perfectly explained why zandalari paladins were not going to be a thing with Rezan being dead and prelates losing their main source of worship.

    But let's tackle this from another angle.

    Technically, every playable race COULD be every playable class as far as "this tauren learned how to use arcane magic" and stuff.
    BUT,
    Playable race-class combinations are related to the in-universe culture of any given race. That's why tauren mages are not a thing, because the tauren culture does not work with the arcane and other mage stuff.

    There are only 2 classes that make literally no sense in this regard: Monks and Warlocks.

    Monks are the "we learned this from pandas" class. They are basically ex-whatever class that switched to the Monk way via training. That's why i think only pandas should be monks (like only elves can be Dh's) but whatever, it's what it is now.
    Warlocks however are not accepted in almost any society or culture.

    Humans, dwarves, gnomes, worgen, dark iron, orcs, trolls, blood elves and the nightborne all oppose "warlocks" and the fel in the traditional terms.
    Out of these races the only 3 that were related to any demon activities are orcs, blood elves and the nightborne.
    Orcs are the only race in-game that are given a lore reason why they can exist by Thrall literally stating he knows they're bad, but they're needed so they can stay in the drag.
    Blood elves and the nightborne being warlocks go heavily against their established hatred for the Burning Legion and demons in general.
    Goblins just simply don't care which is fine. Undead are culturally open to any kind of dark magic which is also fine.
    Trolls are the only race out of these that can use the 'tauren paladin' excuse, which is "they are only warlocks as a class, but in game they are witch doctors/hexxers" and are not referred to as warlocks, which is actually pretty accurate because you never see a darkspear warlock anywhere in-game.
    Void Elves are a narrative catastrophe, i won't comment on those.

    The rest of the races plainly should not even be able to be a Warlock, as they had no previous contact with demons or the Burning Legion which is the exact same argument used against the Zandalari warlocks.

    Here comes the twister: maybe being a Warlock is not even based on the fel or demon stuff?
    Yes, they can summon demons for gameplay reasons as a pet class, but if you actually look at a warlocks arsenal they have fire, shadow and death magic at their hands.
    None of which is associated with the fel necessarily, but more like forbidden spells/magic that are shunned by normal mages.
    If we use this logic we can see how alliance race warlocks make sense in the game. They are former casters who started dwelling in the forbidden arts.
    Which is pretty solid, as that is why they are not allowed into society and are forced to hide their magic/powers.

    If we see warlocks this way, we can see how Zandalari warlocks make crazy amounts of sense. Almost none of the warlock races (except goblins and undead) allow warlocks into their 'culture' or allow them to roam in their main cities, they force them to hide and stuff. Zandalari would do the same.
    But also, the zandalari are the most versatile race there is on Azeroth: they are the oldest and they have witnessed everything that we know about as far as lore goes: old gods, 2 Burning Legion invasions, death, arcane, light, druidism, shamanism, whatever there is by simply being the most ancient race. A zandalari can learn and master whatever they set out to be.
    So by this logic it's only evident having Zandlari warlocks is normal, either going the demon route (undead, goblin) or the witch doctor route (darkspear trolls).

    The argument that there are no Zandalari warlocks walking around Dazar'alor is flawed in every aspect:

    Blizzard saying that they had no contact with the fel is simply impossible: the Zandalari survived TWO Burning Legion invasions, the second one supposedly being global.
    Simply by seeing how easily zandalari citizens convert to G'huun, it is not hard to imagine lots of zandalari actually joining the Burning Legion or learning about them to survive. They have an affinity with dealing in dark magics be it blood, death, voodoo and whatever.

    Secondly, if you go into any major city you won't find Warlocks, worst offender here is Gilneas and the Worgen warlocks as their culture had literally nothing to do with neither the dark arts nor demons. The worgen curse is druidic in nature.

    So there are two options that need to be more defined so that people can accept why the zandalari can't be warlocks:

    Option A) is that being a warlock is a learnt thing and every race should be able to be one.

    Option B) is to define what a warlock is in a society, what their role is in the culture and why that doesn't align with the zandalari and others like the tauren, because as of right now not many races have a clear reason to even support such a "class" in their culture unlike every other class.
    That was a great read, thank you. I definitely agree with your perspective.

    One thing that I believe limits the classes a lot is the lack of identity when it comes to the player character and their race. Every class looks the same no matter what and it makes it harder for people to actually visualize that cultural aspect of classes in their character. Having that difference between Orc and Troll Warlocks or Human and Tauren paladins would make the classes feel like they make much more sense for that particular character and would make it easier to visualize when it came to cultures that you feel might not fit that specific class.

    I believe Blizzard did well with the Zandalari and Kul Tiran druids, but Kul tirans in particular, because of how the Thornspeakers are introduced. It makes the class feel different and fresh. It won't reflect on gameplay which is too bad but also understandable.

    Regardless I feel like the cultural aspect should be further explored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    The zandalari outlaw warlocks
    as do the horde outlaw gnomes
    how is that "reachign for the stars"
    but hey you are new here, i think the fastest ignore ive ever done
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    it is literally as simple as that, and that you cant understand that is degrading.
    zandalari outlaw warlocks
    just like horde outlaw gnomes

    there is a difference between "frowned upon" and "literally fucking illegal"
    cheating on your wife while frowned upon will not get you in jail.
    murdering her will, they are not on the same level, because they are both bad, one is illegal, and a crime, the other is just... bad.
    I'm not new though, I just didn't come here for ages so my account got deleted when they merged with curse, but you do you!

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    It's funny to see how people defend blizzards "reason".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inci View Post
    It's funny to see how people defend blizzards "reason".
    its funny to see you and others make up conspiracy theories like how azeroth is flat and azerite is giving us hunter syndrome

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    so...blizzared removed zandalari locks? when was this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    its funny to see you and others make up conspiracy theories like how azeroth is flat and azerite is giving us hunter syndrome
    Do you play a hunter..or just a lock? :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muajin76 View Post
    so...blizzared removed zandalari locks? when was this?

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    Do you play a hunter..or just a lock? :P
    lol i play warlock main but also played hunter for along time, cause pet classes!
    also played dk too.
    also when they were originally datamined they showed warlock, they also showed warlock at the bizzcon slide, but the paladin showed in neither, but did on the website, so it was a misspeak between the two.

  7. #487
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    lol i play warlock main but also played hunter for along time, cause pet classes!
    also played dk too.
    also when they were originally datamined they showed warlock, they also showed warlock at the bizzcon slide, but the paladin showed in neither, but did on the website, so it was a misspeak between the two.
    While I do think you use your words a little carelessly (Orcs do not encourage or support warlocks, "tolerate" is more appropriate), I do think that you are correct.

    I think you put it best when you noted that races that do not have access to warlocks effectively DO NOT tolerate warlocks, not in any form. Either that, or they do not have cultures that are conducive to support such individuals like the Tauren or Night Elves. It also highlights how Demon Hunters are warlocks, but they're also warlocks that are hyper specialized AND represent an actual organization.

    I guess if you broke it down you could say that there are, in fact, Kaldorei warlocks but none are represented under that society. It's what makes Demon Hunters so special, because the niche of Kaldorei that DID want to use demonic power to combat demons had to find a leader, and only under that specific leader in alliance to a non-Kaldorei leader (Anduin) did they find any solace. If the writers of the game had the time or initiative I'd be curious to see a political struggle in which Kaldorei society seeks to put their wayward kin back under their boot heels but... I digress.

    As far as the Zandalari, yeah, it's about the same problem. If you're a Zandalari that starts practicing fel magic, and you're outed? You're not a Zandalari. You're a troll on Zandalar's isles that's either going to be executed or you're banished. That means that the game developers are indicating that either there's not enough substantial cultural fabric to sustain Zandalari warlocks OR that the Zandalari Empire, as allied to the Horde, would not tolerate your presence or acknowledge you as a citizen of the kingdom.

    Anyway, cheers~

  8. #488
    I've no idea where people keep getting the whole notion of "lol Zandalari ban dark magic and execute or exile those who use it"

    lmfao what, they're scholars, seekers of knowledge and proud defenders of their home, they do anything to protect their home, the only dark magic they've banned is blood magic due to how much it has f**ked them in the past because of Hakkar and G'huun.

    Voodoo has been used in good and bad ways by the Zandalari, voodoo is extremely versatile. While it can make creatures fall in love and turn unholy magic against itself, it can also resurrect the dead, enslave or trap spirits among many other things. The Zandalari are the ones that literally perfected voodoo magic and it would not surprise me if they even created it in the first place, perhaps with the help of the loa.

    Not only that, the Zandalari are masters of shadow (or "void") magic, to the point where they can combine it with arcane magic as said in dailies on the Isle of Thunder, which made the elves there mightily impressed. Only one other race has been described in lore as having been able to "combine void and arcane magic", the High Arakkoa during the height of their power.

    There is no reason why they wouldn't learn about demons and the fel and use that knowledge by utilising both to help defend their home, basically what demoniacs did in vanilla, so why ditch it when ditching it makes 0 sense.

    And then if you look at the warlock spell kit (and even their class description), it goes to say that warlocks are masters at using fire and shadow magic, both of which the Zandalari mastered millennia ago. And demoniacs clearly prove that they also have the power to control demons. So in the end they've got all the means to be warlocks but Blizzard decided to throw it all away.

    So yes, they should have warlocks. Removing them was a very stupid decision and one that will always sadden me because I had planned on making a Zandalari warlock just like several of my friends had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by War-God Matt View Post
    I've no idea where people keep getting the whole notion of "lol Zandalari ban dark magic and execute or exile those who use it"

    lmfao what, they're scholars, seekers of knowledge and proud defenders of their home, they do anything to protect their home, the only dark magic they've banned is blood magic due to how much it has f**ked them in the past because of Hakkar and G'huun.

    Voodoo has been used in good and bad ways by the Zandalari, voodoo is extremely versatile. While it can make creatures fall in love and turn unholy magic against itself, it can also resurrect the dead, enslave or trap spirits among many other things. The Zandalari are the ones that literally perfected voodoo magic and it would not surprise me if they even created it in the first place, perhaps with the help of the loa.

    Not only that, the Zandalari are masters of shadow (or "void") magic, to the point where they can combine it with arcane magic as said in dailies on the Isle of Thunder, which made the elves there mightily impressed. Only one other race has been described in lore as having been able to "combine void and arcane magic", the High Arakkoa during the height of their power.

    There is no reason why they wouldn't learn about demons and the fel and use that knowledge by utilising both to help defend their home, basically what demoniacs did in vanilla, so why ditch it when ditching it makes 0 sense.

    And then if you look at the warlock spell kit (and even their class description), it goes to say that warlocks are masters at using fire and shadow magic, both of which the Zandalari mastered millennia ago. And demoniacs clearly prove that they also have the power to control demons. So in the end they've got all the means to be warlocks but Blizzard decided to throw it all away.

    So yes, they should have warlocks. Removing them was a very stupid decision and one that will always sadden me because I had planned on making a Zandalari warlock just like several of my friends had.
    You're absolutely correct. We see many Zandalari using the dark arts in the name of the empire, I always recall that one NPC in Warport Rastari (Goodness gracious forgive me but I cannot remember his name) who clearly uses shadow/void magic, the Zandalari Hexxers in one of the ships you take over in the Alliance campaign, Witch Doctor Kejabu and others. I haven't found in the city or anywhere else any evidence that Shadow magic is actively shunned, the same goes for Fel.

    Generally speaking it always comes down to practices associated with Blood Magic. I've also seen the argument that you don't see Warlocks in Zuldazar but the same can be said for Monks, hell, even Mages are underrepresented, their only "proof" of existence being the Arcanitals you see in the lower areas of the city.

    Excluding Warlocks from the equation was in my opinion a mistake, there is no reason Zandalari shouldn't automatically be every Vanilla class, which they already had an equivalent of, plus Monks. If it makes sense for a race, I don't see why they shouldn't have a huge amount of classes, specially such a versatile race as the Zandalari. If they gave them 10 classes they would be having about as many as the Darkspears, the only difference being Paladins and Death Knights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inci View Post
    It's funny to see how people defend blizzards "reason".
    It makes absolutely no sense and seemed like they just had to quickly make up something to shut people up. Completely ignored established Lore. That reason was no better than saying "We're not giving you Warlocks just 'cause" and that's honestly quite sad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    The zandalari outlaw warlocks
    as do the horde outlaw gnomes
    how is that "reachign for the stars"
    but hey you are new here, i think the fastest ignore ive ever done
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    it is literally as simple as that, and that you cant understand that is degrading.
    zandalari outlaw warlocks
    just like horde outlaw gnomes

    there is a difference between "frowned upon" and "literally fucking illegal"
    cheating on your wife while frowned upon will not get you in jail.
    murdering her will, they are not on the same level, because they are both bad, one is illegal, and a crime, the other is just... bad.
    but there's 0 reason for the zandalari to have outlawed fel use.

    their culture never worshipped demons, they summoned them and bound them for power. given that zandalari see their selves as the superior race, masters of all, there's no reason they should fear and outlaw fel, because they would see their selves as perfectly capable of mastering it.

    the loa have no reason to hate fel, either. fel isn't inherently evil, it's just inherently incredibly destructive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    also actually you are insanely incorrect, warlocks are embraced in orc culture, blood elf culture, and human culture.
    they aren't? especially orcs, they work in the shadows, away from the civilization, only thrall and a few knew about then, because Thrall need their power
    garrosh critised thrall for letting the warlocks practice so freely in the city.
    nop, he critic thrall because he let then work in his nose.

    blood elves well... warlocks are sorta what saved them, the whole demon control thing for fel magic
    and after the kael betray, and the sunwell restored with more inclination to the light they would not be a fan of warlocks

    and humans, varian right out had warlock bodyguards.
    this don't mean its a freely and embraced practice among the humans;



    maghar cant be warlocks cause well... then they wouldnt be maghar
    they would be, they just are 100% against it.

    zandalari cant cause their current leader has literally made it illegal to be so,

    [citation needed]

    and those who do are exiled, like the zandalari warlocks we see in wow, who are outcasts because they became warlocks,
    where its said they are exiled because they were warlocks?
    as the zandalari do no want to associate with darker magics.

    [citation needed]



    Again, the only reason why they aren't, its because blizzard don't want too, not because they didn't make sense, people complaint because they are too much classes, blizzard picked one and removed, simple as that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cparle87 View Post
    Because Blizz's original ideology was that no race would have access to more than 6 of the classes. They looked at blood elves. Had to give them paladins cause that was a selling point. Had to give them the clothies cause magic is their shtick. Had to give them hunters cause farstriders. So they were left with "do we give them rogues or warriors?" Dunno if it was a coin toss or not, but rogue won.

    Humans are same answer.
    Easy solution was to not give blood elves priests. Mage / warlock sure. They could just explained it that all the priesthood left became blood knights, since they lost sunwell and swapped to channeling M'uru as the source of light. That was in the world where not 90% of the races had priests btw, Gnomes & Tauren didn't (so didn't Orcs and they don't to this day, however Mag'har do... logic). It was Cata when they started loosening the class / race restrictions.

    Also I still dunno why when they added Gnome Hunters they didn't give Horde extra class / race combo for parity sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    but there's 0 reason for the zandalari to have outlawed fel use.
    Well, looking from their perspective:

    The last time they saw relevant use of Fel magic was when the Burning Legion invaded ancient Kalimdor, which resulted in the Sundering, from which Zandalar escaped only because of a increndible magical barrier they had to make. Sadly, they didn't have enough time to protect the surrounding lands with the shield.

    Nowadays, they live in a extremely religious society, where they worship powerful Nature beings and some Zandalari devouts are even capable of wielding Holy (and, by logic, Shadow) magicks thanks to their faith.

    Can you imagine what the use of Fel means in such society? Such practiccioner not only thinks that sacrificial magic such as Fel is a better tool than the Loa's gifts, but also is willing to consume souls from their sacred land to power him/herself. They know that some Loas like Hakkar, or some tribes like the Nazmir folks, like similarly sacrificial magic, and they aren't very friendly with such beings.

    Fel is too dangerous for the trolls and the divine Loa, and such, by law this school of magic should be forbidden to be learned by Zandalari Trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Chozo View Post
    Well, looking from their perspective:

    The last time they saw relevant use of Fel magic was when the Burning Legion invaded ancient Kalimdor, which resulted in the Sundering, from which Zandalar escaped only because of a increndible magical barrier they had to make. Sadly, they didn't have enough time to protect the surrounding lands with the shield.

    Nowadays, they live in a extremely religious society, where they worship powerful Nature beings and some Zandalari devouts are even capable of wielding Holy (and, by logic, Shadow) magicks thanks to their faith.

    Can you imagine what the use of Fel means in such society? Such practiccioner not only thinks that sacrificial magic such as Fel is a better tool than the Loa's gifts, but also is willing to consume souls from their sacred land to power him/herself. They know that some Loas like Hakkar, or some tribes like the Nazmir folks, like similarly sacrificial magic, and they aren't very friendly with such beings.

    Fel is too dangerous for the trolls and the divine Loa, and such, by law this school of magic should be forbidden to be learned by Zandalari Trolls.
    their last run in with fel magic was their demoniacs, which summoned and forcibly bound demons inside of their selves for incredible power.

    we don't know anything more than that, just that it was an accepted practice. how long it was accepted for, when, the level of acceptance, all kinda unknown.

    "The ultimate symbol of power amongst the Zandalari is the garb they wear in battle. A demoniac's robes have fused fine runecloth and devastatingly powerful mojo into a single fabric. The visage of the robe is said to instill fear into the minds of all who see it... especially the demons that the demoniac will eventually dominate."

    it seemed to be quite widely accepted, if feared by the common folk. but they used mojo along with fel, so it's not like they didn't still respect their cultural practices. the zandalari seem unique in their fel use, most other races you see with it, they desecrate and care little for their former cultural identities, giving over fully to demonic urges.

    it's just a shame, and there was no reason to disinclude zandalari locks. it's them forgetting their own lore, and it makes it painfully obvious that the devs don't even play their own game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    it's just a shame, and there was no reason to disinclude zandalari locks. it's them forgetting their own lore, and it makes it painfully obvious that the devs don't even play their own game.
    the excuse its just obnoxious

    "zandalari do not have connection to the fel"

    this, beyond being freaking lie, cause they do, don't even make sense when most of the warlock spells right now don't even use fel, most of warlocks use just void/fire magic

    at this point im pretty sure they do not play it, or just don't read anything, just do a raid weakly maybe.

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    If a zandalar troll became a warlock they would be exiled or executed by the zandalari empire.
    It is flat out illegal, under pain of death, to be a warlock in the zandalari empire among other things like (i guess) blood magic and what not.

    Most races still dislike warlocks but they will not execute or exile their own members on sight for attempting to become a warlock.
    However some races like Draenei and Zandalar will exile/execute their own members for becoming warlocks as soon as they are found out.
    Im sure they would exile/execute ANY warlock if there were no political (or basic gameplay) consequences to consider.

    But blizz can always go down the "Monk" route and disregard any shred of lore/sense by letting everyone be whatever....
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    Honestly, classes for allied races have been a big mess so far. Zandalari Warlocks aren't any more far fetched than a lot of other class/race combinations like Tauren Paladin for example, and most importantly than Zandalari Monks, which is a complete and utter BS. Zandalari and Pandas are historic enemies, even though they are in the Horde now, I find it really dumb to have Horde Pandaren to be friendly enough towards them to teach them their traditional ways (the best I would expect from them ending up in the same faction is cautious neutrality).

    There are more weird picks for allied race classes. Why no Highmountain Paladins and Priests? They weren't any HM druids NPCs either, but it didn't stop them from adding them to available classes. Why no LF drenai monks? Their philosophy would go well with monk class, there are some monk-ish background WQ in Macaree and most importantly EVERY other race (expect from cata races for whatever reason) can be monks. Dark Iron and Kul Tiran shamans, KT druids, Zandalari Paladins had their lore created/bended to allow this race combos (which is fine IMO, these classes needed more race variaty), but suddenly making an NPCs or two explaining Zandalari Warlocks would be too much to ask for?

    Dunno, their choices for class/race combinations for allied races seem like being made by different people who don't consult them with each other. There is just no consistency in what eventually ends up in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Easy solution was to not give blood elves priests. Mage / warlock sure. They could just explained it that all the priesthood left became blood knights, since they lost sunwell and swapped to channeling M'uru as the source of light. That was in the world where not 90% of the races had priests btw, Gnomes & Tauren didn't (so didn't Orcs and they don't to this day, however Mag'har do... logic). It was Cata when they started loosening the class / race restrictions.

    Also I still dunno why when they added Gnome Hunters they didn't give Horde extra class / race combo for parity sake.
    Priests were too iconic for high/blood elves, though. The priest unit you played in WC3 was a high elf.

    Are you really surprised that orcs who were either fel possessed or their parents were can't be priests while those who were never corrupted can? Mag'har got priests same way all the races got monks, through cultural osmosis. They did live and work with the draenei for nearly 3 decades before the latter went crazy.

    As for the gnome thing, I think they did it to even the class/race ratio. I think Horde were still ahead by one.
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    "Zandalari have no connection to Fel"

    Yeah, neither did gnomes, humans, nightborne, blood elves, forsaken, trolls, orcs, feltotem, vrykul, worgen, goblins, void elves, dark iron dwarfs, murlocs, whatever race we have seen in the game so far, until they were exposed to it or acquired the knowledge to use it.

    We don't have a single playable (and a lot of non-playable) race that started their humble existence with warlocks in their society. They all learned the art from a source, whether it was through deceit or seeking occult knowledge, and then formed covens around it.

    So why would an empire-sized society, where 2/3 of their dominion is filled with blood cultists and exiles, not have the capacity to spawn a group of warlocks where every other type of scholar already exists? What's stopping some enthusiastic Zandalari troll to be in Vol'dun, trip over a dead Alliance or Horde Warlock's body, loot it, grab their grimoire and learn to summon an imp? Does every single troll on Zandalar have a Rastari guard standing over them judging what they do?

    Warlocks aren't a norm or standard in any society, they are outcasts. At best they are weaponised and tolerated members of the Alliance or the Horde who have to hide their affiliation before some lynch mob forms to rip them apart or otherwise get ostracized.

    Oh wait, so why don't Draenei, Pandaren or Maghar orcs have warlocks too? They can learn, right?

    Those races had development and lore that contradicts having warlocks in their culture. Where is that development or lore among the Zandalari, who have shadow magic users, cultists, hexxers, ritualists, make pacts, worship a literal death god and have entire regions filled with a population that doesn't care about the standard or norm their empire sets?

    There's absolutely no justification for the asspull to cram in Paladins instead of Warlocks or keeping Monks around. I can't wait to call upon the Celestial Gods of Pandaria as my fucking Zandalari troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aleksej89 View Post
    If a zandalar troll became a warlock they would be exiled or executed by the zandalari empire.
    It is flat out illegal, under pain of death, to be a warlock in the zandalari empire among other things like (i guess) blood magic and what not.
    i would want the source on that

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