It's never been the issue for me, a never ending carrot on a stick between legion weapons or the neck, get to me. They are right most people get excited about getting one, and it keeps gearing alive once stuff is farm content. Otherwise we would gear up in a month and not want to farm bosses anymore.
And you look at a dev like yoshi-p who has openly talked about things like this and how it is determental to game design to design things specifically to keep people subbed and that subs are cyclical and as long as you make good content people will come back.
Do they put grindy shit in FFXIV? Oh hell yes, but none of it is mandatory
Here's a solution that will keep players who 'earn' their gear. Mythic drops max. Everyone else has chance to TF to mythic level. This will solve everything because it gives a definite BIS list and no TF affects essentially zero people.
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Being wrong reinforces nothing. If you don't know your wow history then who can your arguments be trusted.
No. It wasn't.
Sorry but irritating a few neurotic completionists to keep content fresh for the vast majority of players is a small price to pay.
Honestly, warforging/titanforging could work without raising item level, they could keep it to secondary stat extras and that is it. So leech, speed, avoidance etc.
I love when I get called a white knight for Blizzard when I've been criticizing Blizzard pretty heavily from the start, I just don't criticize things that are actually good for the game like TF. If it rates highly among the casuals (Which it obviously does or it wouldn't still be here years later.) and it doesn't actively hurt me (Which it doesn't, I still get the best gear in the game and TF doesn't change that.) - Why would I ever believe it's bad for me or the game? You seem to be confused and think simply making a statement like "titanforging is bad because it artificially elongates the grind and is bad for progression and limits alt play" is in itself proof of the claim and it's not.
How does it limit alt play? I raid at the highest level and I play alts. Are you still working on the mistaken belief that you need to spend every single minute playing your main and doing low content in hopes that you get a TF proc? Not worth it, that's you crippling yourself for no real reason. Nobody smart does that. You do your weekly M+ run on your main, you do your raid on your main, you obliterate heroic in almost no time at all on your main, and then the rest of your time can be spent on your alt(s). What are you doing wrong?
TF is factored into progression, and again this is based on you not understanding how the system works. It's not a problem with the system. Even the people at the very very top that are trying to get every leg up in progression possible don't do low content for Titanforges btw. With all the gold they borrowed and sank into getting every advantage possible they still didn't run low content. They did a few heroic runs and nothing lower than that. Why? Because it isn't worth it because Titanforge doesn't work the way you think it does or have the frequency that you believe that it does. Everyone that actually raids knows this, the only people who don't know this are the forum whiners apparently.
It elongating the grind is another personal choice that you're making. You're chasing after that titanforge instead of looking at it as a nice bonus when it happens. You're choosing to do that and you're hurting you. Not the system.
As for " Removing titanforge hurts literally no one. Keeping it hurts many. It's really that simple. " - Who does it hurt? I'm one of the players that had a legitimate issue with it based on our understanding of it during Legion and the system as it exists and as we understand it now doesn't hurt me. Removing Titanforging is taking something away from the casuals, so yes it would hurt them. They keep this game running. Not me, not players like me. Them. Hurting them is a shit business decision.
FYI "Give me a real reason." is a really odd way of interpreting "Give me proof of your claims." I'm asking you for any evidence, any proof, anything other than "BUT MY FEELINGS based on early legion levels of misunderstanding of how the system works!" - I understand what your reasons are, they've been repeated over and over and over and over again for years now, I want evidence that supports them.
Btw your "I 100% every game I buy." thing is even less relevant than me raiding Mythic. You're an even smaller minority than I am. Catering to you is an even shittier business decision than catering to me.
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Thunderforging, the first form of Warforging was introduced in ToT during MoP and had a higher drop rate for 25 mans. Cata had nothing like that.
It was also only 6 levels and was changed to Warforging where it stayed that all the way through WoD, no one bitched about Warforging.
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This was a 6 month necro. Closing.
If the topic is relevant to discuss you can make a new thread.
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