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  1. #621
    The sooner lootboxes are gone from games the better. How anyone can defend them is beyond me.

  2. #622
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    Uhm, then you've completely failed the topic. Because the only reason it would be a problem if lootboxes were gambling is because of kids. Because children are forbidden from gambling. If you don't care about children, then there is nothing to criticize about this. Gambling is legal in a lot of places and just because lootboxes might be considered gambling by some people won't make them go away. The whole controversy is about it being available to children.
    The whole controversy is about children but there's a larger discussion to be had aswell, aka forcing companies to have non predatory consumer practices.

  3. #623
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    The whole controversy is about children but there's a larger discussion to be had aswell, aka forcing companies to have non predatory consumer practices.
    lol what does that even mean, "predatory consumer practice"? It's like talking to someone in a cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Violent View Post
    Hahaha!

    We out here with real problems, especially children today.. But bro going to make a soap-box stand on kids gambling... LOLOL!

    "We mustn't let Johnny spend his lunch money on bets with friends! This, by far from anything else, my young Americans is our BIGGEST problem with our youth!"

    Just stop. I for one don't give 2shits about gambling, or even kids doing it.. There's alot of other shit kids are doing these days you should be worried about.
    Nobody in this thread gives a shit about kids or gambling. They just hate lootboxes.

  4. #624
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    lol what does that even mean, "predatory consumer practice"? It's like talking to someone in a cult.
    An example of a predatory consumer practice in a game, would be to intentionally match make people who haven't bought equipment or power with real money VS people who have, as to create an underlying need and incentive to make the non payer buy equipment or power.

    A real life example of predatory consumer practice would be selling you a car without completely informing the buyer of the history or faults with this particular vehicle.

    By extension of the latter, selling you a sealed TCG product, wherein the consumer only knows they are buying TCG cards (a car), they do not know the detailed contents of the TCG card pack (maybe its faulty stereo system or its subpar maintanence), it's dishonorable and is only there to artificially jack up the prices at your expense, so that you have to buy many more packs (get the car fixed) in order to be satisfied completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    And by this you are also admitting that Loot Box's are gambling, So congratz you killed your own argument.

    Yes TCG's are gambling and Yes Loot Box's is also Gambling.

    There is also major differences between the two (main one being ease of access) and both should be fully regulated to the point where a adult must buy them.

    As it stands with Loot Box's that isn't the case at all, A kid can go into any store and get a PSN card and buy Loot Box's in a game like Fifa. If a kid walked into Gamestop and tried to drop $100 down on some TC's they should be stopped and have a parent/guardian requested to come in.

    The only time this wouldn't be the case it would be if someone wasn't doing their job and if it was found out they would be out on their ass.

    The amount of kids I see come in and buy PSN,XBL,Steam cards and ect... is fucken insane and they are doing it for loot box's 90% of the time.

    Simple fix any game with Loot Box's (Gambling) should get a M or AO rating, At that point the gaming industry has done all they could/should do.

    I'm sure your not even going to read half of what I said and will just keep going "naw your wrong".
    Just curious which one you think is easier to access.
    I have a fan. Seems he was permabanned.

  6. #626
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    An example of a predatory consumer practice in a game, would be to intentionally match make people who haven't bought equipment or power with real money VS people who have, as to create an underlying need and incentive to make the non payer buy equipment or power.
    What makes that predatory? Do you even know what the word predatory means?

    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    A real life example of predatory consumer practice would be selling you a car without completely informing the buyer of the history or faults with this particular vehicle.
    That's not predatory, that's ripping people off. You really do not know what predatory means.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390
    Yes TCG's are gambling
    hahahaha let's put an age restriction on them, you need to be 18 years or older to buy TCG packs hahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rendark View Post
    The sooner lootboxes are gone from games the better. How anyone can defend them is beyond me.
    Only a addict would defend those. (or the one making money off them/ones getting paid to spread miss-information)

    Also may i mention you cant sell anything for real money that you get in digital lootbox. (without breaking game rules)
    Real life lootboxes at least usualy have a value of some sort -- but its still gambling.

    Not that a while ago i have seen a digital lootbox outside that you roll on a site. But you do get real items -- still a scam tho. Mostly with pc upgrades and similar items. But since its set to a digital random luck, your chances are much worse than buying a store lootbox. (kinder egg, random toy boxes, cards and so on)

    And if you think that those sites check your age...yeah they dont. Same goes for parental control in video games. Parents simply dont know how to use those.

    If people do remember, steam had to put in-game digital items on cooldown + extra security to prevent gambling sites to use those items. (counter strike go)

  8. #628
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    What makes that predatory? Do you even know what the word predatory means?


    That's not predatory, that's ripping people off. You really do not know what predatory means.
    If you don't like the use of the word, why don't you clarify what you think predatory means and how what I am describing is not within the realm of a bad and dishonest business practice, meant to enrich the producer and scam the consumer.

  9. #629
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    If you don't like the use of the word, why don't you clarify what you think predatory means and how what I am describing is not within the realm of a bad and dishonest business practice, meant to enrich the producer and scam the consumer.
    It's not about what I think, buy a dictionary.

  10. #630
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    What makes that predatory? Do you even know what the word predatory means?
    predatory
    /ˈprɛdət(ə)ri/

    adjective

    seeking to exploit others.
    In b4 how loot boxes are not meant to exploit people's addictions... 3 ... 2...1... go!

  11. #631
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    It's not about what I think, buy a dictionary.
    But you're incorrect, all the things I listed are exploitative means, some are illegal like selling a car without properly informing the buyer, but selling a TCG card pack is not illegal without properly informing the buyer.

    They are both predatory, but I just wanted to hear what word you'd substitute in there, your stance on the subject of enriching consumer ability is a bit myopic and makes me question your intentions here, are you a hasbro shill or something?

  12. #632
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent View Post
    Hahaha!

    We out here with real problems, especially children today.. But bro going to make a soap-box stand on kids gambling... LOLOL!

    "We mustn't let Johnny spend his lunch money on bets with friends! This, by far from anything else, my young Americans is our BIGGEST problem with our youth!"

    Just stop. I for one don't give 2shits about gambling, or even kids doing it.. There's alot of other shit kids are doing these days you should be worried about.
    Child developmentalists and parents give a shit. That's more than enough for them to seek legal action (which they already are). You can say kids do worse and giggle all day but every little thing counts. It's not solely adolescents if that's what you picture as a child.

    If anything this is an opportunity to teach kids financial literacy.

  13. #633
    Quote Originally Posted by Violent View Post
    Hahaha!

    We out here with real problems, especially children today.. But bro going to make a soap-box stand on kids gambling... LOLOL!

    "We mustn't let Johnny spend his lunch money on bets with friends! This, by far from anything else, my young Americans is our BIGGEST problem with our youth!"

    Just stop. I for one don't give 2shits about gambling, or even kids doing it.. There's alot of other shit kids are doing these days you should be worried about.
    I suppose you don't give a shit if kids smoke, drink, put nudes online, etc.... either then?

    A kids brain isn't fully developed. And we already know adults get addicted to gambling.

    And fuck you don't even need to be a gambling addict to fall prey to shitty practices like loot boxes.

    example: I play a game called Valkyrie Crusade, in order to place in the top 1-500(where the best rewards are) and even the 500-1k ranks you need to purchase loot boxes to get special cards with a skill that only works for that event. You occasionally get free gems but you would likely need to blow years worth of free gems on a single event to get a good enough rating. Trying to make sure I ranked in the top 500(i think) so I could get the awakening material(which like double or triples a cards power permanently and increases its max lvl) from a specific event I spent over 500$ on that events lootbox and still didn't get the two cards with the special skill for that event.

    When someone spends 500$ on a loot box its not because they think its fun, they do so because they feel like they wasted money by not getting the item they need/want and only stop when they get it or get disgusted with themselves or the game.
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  14. #634
    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalName View Post
    But you're incorrect
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    In b4 how loot boxes are not meant to exploit people's addictions... 3 ... 2...1... go!
    No, it isn't. It might be addictive, but that doesn't mean it is meant to exploit people's addictions. Otherwise you could claim that games in general are meant to exploit people's addictions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    I suppose you don't give a shit if kids smoke
    Uhm, nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    drink
    Nope.

    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    put nudes online
    Uhm.... no? Why would I? Are you a pedophile or something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polybius View Post
    Child developmentalists and parents give a shit.
    The same people that say killer games turn you into a school shooter? Yeah these people might care. You people don't. You just hate lootboxes.

  15. #635
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    Nope.
    What a dude, tell me how it's not, then.

  16. #636
    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    I see how loot boxes can be/are exploitive but how much vs old exploitative practice had they had modern technology.

    When a lot of us were young there were Pokemon cards (or insert whatever cartoon you were into). Those are loot boxes and most of us didn't even know how to play the game. It was sports cards before that. There were quarter machines where you could gamble on getting the shitty penny toy from it that you wanted.

    I think the only differences are now there are more available parental controls but the stores are in your house.
    I don't think "because it was also bad before we definitely shouldn't bother regulating it even when it's clearly getting worse" is really the right call here.

  17. #637
    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    Nope.



    No, it isn't. It might be addictive, but that doesn't mean it is meant to exploit people's addictions. Otherwise you could claim that games in general are meant to exploit people's addictions.

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    Uhm, nope.


    Nope.


    Uhm.... no? Why would I? Are you a pedophile or something?

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    The same people that say killer games turn you into a school shooter? Yeah these people might care. You people don't. You just hate lootboxes.
    It takes a special kind of person to defend lootboxes.

  18. #638
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    It takes a special kind of person to defend lootboxes.
    I'm not defending them. But that doesn't make them gambling. If you hate them, don't buy them. Better yet, uninstall all your games. get off your ass and get a real life.

  19. #639
    Quote Originally Posted by Unholyground View Post
    I think both are at fault when it comes to children, the parents and the company's. Parents need to fucking parent and stop letting technology raise thier kids.
    Technology evolves too fast for parents to keep up in many areas. It's easy for you, because you're into gaming. Imagine instead if you had to keep up with the evolution of biogas technology.

    Something complex, everchanging, in which you probably have no experience or interest. You have to some extend rely on the competence of the decision makers in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keeper Stalladris View Post
    I'm not defending them. But that doesn't make them gambling. If you hate them, don't buy them. Better yet, uninstall all your games. get off your ass and get a real life.
    Do you ever stop up and wonder how you can be the only one out of thousands who doesn't see them as gambling?

    Are people that stupid, are you that smart and special? Or are you perhaps wrong?

  20. #640
    Quote Originally Posted by Protean View Post
    Do you ever stop up and wonder how you can be the only one out of thousands who doesn't see them as gambling?

    Are people that stupid, are you that smart and special? Or are you perhaps wrong?
    You just ignore everyone who disagrees with you. The people that say they are gambling just hate them cause they hate it when companies make money.

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