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  1. #641
    Quote Originally Posted by Motso View Post
    It has become a pox on many many games at this point.
    If people actually felt that way, they'd stop being idiots and buying them. Good luck with that one, though. People are too weak to resist the urge to spend money on something they want, even if it's comparatively a bad value and they know it in their head.

  2. #642
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Really? If you drop your kid at school, and something happens to him, is it the parent fault?

    Also, again, then what are alcohol and cigarettes regulations for?

    You people keep arguing on fucking extremes, it's bloody ridiculous.
    We're not talking about a kid having and accident and getting hurt or someone kidnapping them. Don't be intentionally dense.

    These kids aren't buying loot boxes for Call of Duty while they are at school. They are doing it when they get home, log into their Xbox that has their parent's credit card info saved to it and going to town. All because their parents are too lazy to watch what the kid is doing or to weak willed to say no. Either way it's the parents problem.

    Alcohol and cigarettes are deadly. Children are not the ones responsible for making decisions regarding their health. It is perfectly legal (at least where I live) for a minor do drink in the company of a guardian. I'm unsure if cigarettes work the same way.
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  3. #643
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    While is true that there is a difference between a video game and it's monetization, we already know what governments are cable of doing towards video games, completely banning video games or forcing companies to censor them is nothing new, but it's something I wouldn't like to become common, so yes, I completely respect the people and their tin foil hats wanting the government to just stay the fuck away.
    To me it seems silly. The government can literally regulate everything you do now, and yet no one is really complaining all that much because they really aren't infringing on any of your actual rights.

    Banning or censoring video games is nothing new you're correct and only done in extreme situations. How in the world will this increase if they ban gambling models within games? If this was an issue, there would be a lot more mainstream banned games already but that's not the case. I assure you, if this was going to happen it would have based on one simple mission in a video game "No Russian."

    So, no the tinfoil hat helps nothing, other helping exploit people via gambling models.

    Unless you live in a Country like China or Germany....

  4. #644
    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    Loot boxes aren't bought with quarters little moron Timmy found at the bottom of his piggy bank. They are bought with credit cards tied to consoles and accounts. The parents are completely responsible for EVERYTHING their children do. That includes using their credit cards to buy loot boxes.
    Actually they are. Notice all those nice and brightly coloured cards you can buy in nearly every store? You know which cards i'm talking about.
    The one that in exchange for your nickel and dimes gets you credit in any online-store that offers them. Like for PSN, XBox-Services, Nintendo Shop or the good old Bliizard Gift/Balance Card.
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  5. #645
    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    We're not talking about a kid having and accident and getting hurt or someone kidnapping them. Don't be intentionally dense.

    These kids aren't buying loot boxes for Call of Duty while they are at school. They are doing it when they get home, log into their Xbox that has their parent's credit card info saved to it and going to town. All because their parents are too lazy to watch what the kid is doing or to weak willed to say no. Either way it's the parents problem.

    Alcohol and cigarettes are deadly. Children are not the ones responsible for making decisions regarding their health. It is perfectly legal (at least where I live) for a minor do drink in the company of a guardian. I'm unsure if cigarettes work the same way.
    You don't actually know what you're talking about.

    First of all if a kid is actually playing CoD, yes it's the parents fault because no store is going to sell an M rated game to a kid without the parent present.

    Second of all, M rated games aren't the only ones with loot boxes. Games that are rated T and E do as well.

    Third of all you don't need your parents CC on your account to buy loot boxes, you can simply walk into literally any gamestop/family dollar/walmart/target/best buy/dollar general and probably even more stores and buy PSN or XBL currency with the kid's own allowance.

    Fourth of all kid can also buy said games that have loot boxes even with parental controls turned on if they are E and T rated games.

    So umm yea, your entire argument is bunk. Making games that have loot boxes rated M would instantly give parents far more power as no store is going to sell the game to the kid, nor could they buy it digitally with the proper parental controls set up.

  6. #646
    Quote Originally Posted by segara82 View Post
    Actually they are. Notice all those nice and brightly coloured cards you can buy in nearly every store? You know which cards i'm talking about.
    The one that in exchange for your nickel and dimes gets you credit in any online-store that offers them. Like for PSN, XBox-Services, Nintendo Shop or the good old Bliizard Gift/Balance Card.
    The minimum I could find for PSN is $10, not going to look them all up. These kids aren't digging up $10 worth of spare change and hitchhiking to the store to buy a PSN card. They are using their parent's money and transportation. There is no scenario where this is not the parent's responsibility.

  7. #647
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    I don't blame the corporations. They don't extort money. People give them money, people buy these lootboxes, people pay for their kids' whims, people don't monitor their children. It's always someone else to blame but the people responsible. There are multiple ways to prevent your kids from gambling in video games. Harder to protect them in real life interactions but still you can educate them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    The minimum I could find for PSN is $10, not going to look them all up. These kids aren't digging up $10 worth of spare change and hitchhiking to the store to buy a PSN card. They are using their parent's money and transportation. There is no scenario where this is not the parent's responsibility.
    Exactly. Most kids wouldn't even bother to go out and spend that change on gift card if they wanted to buy a randomized reward. It's convenient to spend money from debit card and you don't really feel the money gone that way until you check your balance. It's nothing like giving your monthly or weekly pocket money to a cashier knowing that you wouldn't be able to buy another game for that price or some sweets or whatever.
    S.H.

  8. #648
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    While is true that there is a difference between a video game and it's monetization, we already know what governments are cable of doing towards video games, completely banning video games or forcing companies to censor them is nothing new, but it's something I wouldn't like to become common, so yes, I completely respect the people and their tin foil hats wanting the government to just stay the fuck away.



    No, we are talking about parents being “100%” responsible for monitoring their kids, pointing out that’s just ain’t true and outright impossible, doesn’t make me “intentionally dense”, just as you trying to insult me doesn't make your argument any favors.



    You don’t need a credit card to purchase them, if you are into video games, it’s something that you should be aware already, pre-paid cards are a thing in any platform nowadays, also, yes, they are playing the video games mostly at home, games that nowhere in the box or website inform exactly what’s being sold in this regard, which is what a lot of people are advocating for.



    Mental health is a thing, you know? There are also enough studies on the psychological impact of this sort of shit on brains that are still developing… thus why the regulations and laws don't stop at alcohol or cigarettes, but also on shit such as... you know... gambling.

    Edited: Did you know that in a lot of places video games stores are also responsible for not selling +18 rated games to minors?
    Mental health is a thing, never said it wasn't. Even if these loot boxes were gambling, which they are not, then it would fall under the same idea as drinking with a guardian. Still the parent's responsibility.

  9. #649
    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    The minimum I could find for PSN is $10, not going to look them all up. These kids aren't digging up $10 worth of spare change and hitchhiking to the store to buy a PSN card. They are using their parent's money and transportation. There is no scenario where this is not the parent's responsibility.
    Do you think all kids live in the middle of no where? Chances are most have a store within blocks.

    Also gift cards aren't the only way to get currency, at most stores you can even get custom amounts printed out on a receipt. You just continue to astonish me with being oblivious to the way this all works.

  10. #650
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    You don't actually know what you're talking about.

    First of all if a kid is actually playing CoD, yes it's the parents fault because no store is going to sell an M rated game to a kid without the parent present.

    Second of all, M rated games aren't the only ones with loot boxes. Games that are rated T and E do as well.

    Third of all you don't need your parents CC on your account to buy loot boxes, you can simply walk into literally any gamestop/family dollar/walmart/target/best buy/dollar general and probably even more stores and buy PSN or XBL currency with the kid's own allowance.

    Fourth of all kid can also buy said games that have loot boxes even with parental controls turned on if they are E and T rated games.

    So umm yea, your entire argument is bunk. Making games that have loot boxes rated M would instantly give parents far more power as no store is going to sell the game to the kid, nor could they buy it digitally with the proper parental controls set up.
    I used a random game. I'm well aware that CoD is not the only game that has loot boxes. Game ratings don't absolve parent's form monitoring what their kids are playing. You can see my replies to others about the BS physical card argument. A kid's "own allowance" is still their parent's money.

  11. #651
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Do you think all kids live in the middle of no where? Chances are most have a store within blocks.

    Also gift cards aren't the only way to get currency, at most stores you can even get custom amounts printed out on a receipt. You just continue to astonish me with being oblivious to the way this all works.
    You continue to astonish me with how willing you are to absolve parents of the responsibility of monitoring their children.

    No matter the amount, unless it's a "kid" old enough to have a job and use their own money, in which case it's no ones god damn business what they spend their money on, then they are using money they got from their parents. Then they walked down to a store and spent the money. Again the parents letting them do it.

  12. #652
    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    I used a random game. I'm well aware that CoD is not the only game that has loot boxes. Game ratings don't absolve parent's form monitoring what their kids are playing. You can see my replies to others about the BS physical card argument. A kid's "own allowance" is still their parent's money.
    Game ratings literally exist to tell parents about the games they're buying and prevent minors from buying questionable games by themselves. Why do you think they ever became a thing in the first place?

    Going off your posts it seems you believe a parent should have total control over their kids at all times, not work, not have a life on their own just literally follow their kid everywhere they go even when they went out of their way to set up reasonable amounts of spending money given to them and properly setting up parental controls on all their devices.

    In other words, you have no experience with parenting at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    in which case it's no ones god damn business what they spend their money on
    As my mom once told me when I got my first job, it's her business what I spend my money on until I get out of her house, pay my own bills and feed myself.

    This comment alone makes me think you actually are a kid... because this ain't how it works lmao.

  13. #653
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Game ratings literally exist to tell parents about the games they're buying and prevent minors from buying questionable games by themselves. Why do you think they ever became a thing in the first place?

    Going off your posts it seems you believe a parent should have total control over their kids at all times, not work, not have a life on their own just literally follow their kid everywhere they go even when they went out of their way to set up reasonable amounts of spending money given to them and properly setting up parental controls on all their devices.

    In other words, you have no experience with parenting at all.

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    As my mom once told me when I got my first job, it's her business what I spend my money on until I get out of her house, pay my own bills and feed myself.

    This comment alone makes me think you actually are a kid... because this ain't how it works lmao.
    I call your bullshit so I must not have experience raising kids. I love how every parent uses that when someone calls them out. I didn't say keep them under your thumb 24/7, didn't even imply it.

    I couldn't care less how your mother did it. Money earned while gainfully employed belongs to the person who earned it and no one else has any fucking say in how that money is spent. I started working full time when I was 16, moved out of my mother's house at 19. She would never have tried to tell me how to spend my money. I paid for my car, insurance, cell, gas and food outside of meals she cooked. If is had been stupid enough to blow my money on shit like loot boxes she wasn't going to pay for any of my bills. Completely autonomous with the money I earned without her input. It's not fucking rocket science. Neither is raising kids.
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  14. #654
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfingaz View Post
    I said nothing of the sort. I said:



    Gambling is already restricted, and these are very much a source of gambling. I said earlier, I wasn't going to argue the philosophy on what you feel is gambling or isn't. It is gambling, bottom line as the definition of gambling is: the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.

    Other stakes being the rewards inside of the loot box.

    Cya.
    Except in the example that started this thread and the more recent committee that revived it loot-boxes are not gambling. People are not asking for existing regulations to be enforced, they are asking for the regulations to be expanded to include loot boxes, and also for other "addictive and immersive" aspects of video games to be investigated and possibly regulated.

    B'bye o/

  15. #655
    Quote Originally Posted by Polly3685 View Post
    The minimum I could find for PSN is $10, not going to look them all up. These kids aren't digging up $10 worth of spare change and hitchhiking to the store to buy a PSN card. They are using their parent's money and transportation. There is no scenario where this is not the parent's responsibility.
    Really, did you not get any pocket money from your parents? Did odd jobs, carrying your elderly neighbours shopping bags, make a lemonade stand, getting slipped a tenner or 20 bucks by their grandparents? Getting 10 bucks to buy a card is not hard nor very time consuming.
    Or why is it so hard for you to admit that kids can get lootboxes far too easily.
    Boxes specifically designed to make them gambling addicts.
    That's like speaking out for booze sellers to be left onto the playgrounds, since a can o' beer can be had for only a dollar.

    Oh right, we do have regulations and laws about booze and tobacco because we know developing kids and youngsters have an increased risk of becoming addicted the earlier they start with drinking and smoking. Same thing why we don't let them into casinos or near slot-machines.
    Unless, when they are on their phones or their video-games because so far that was not a big thing until recently.
    Well, time to remedy that.
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  16. #656
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    According to what? The dictionary? To countries such as Belgium? Isn't that the entire point of the fucking thing? Deciding weather to treat them as gambling in casinos or not? Also, are you going to know that the kids are purchasing these loot boxes with the guardian permission or not?

    Yes, a lot of it is on the parents, but pretending they are "100%" responsible for it is ridiculous.
    If loot boxes are gambling then so are claw machines with stuffed animals in them. It's not gambling.

  17. #657
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    How many did you raise if you don't mind me asking?
    Step parented 1 until his mother and I split. Raising another now who loves Fortnite. Not going to let him blow a bunch of money on loot boxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    It doesn't answer any of my questions, and at this point I'm starting to understand why the name "Polly".

    Also, claw machines don't entirely rely on chance FYI.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Except in the example that started this thread and the more recent committee that revived it loot-boxes are not gambling. People are not asking for existing regulations to be enforced, they are asking for the regulations to be expanded to include loot boxes, and also for other "addictive and immersive" aspects of video games to be investigated and possibly regulated.

    B'bye o/
    This was posted just above. Answers the question. Not gambling.
    Last edited by Polly3685; 2019-06-24 at 06:18 PM.

  18. #658
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Except in the example that started this thread and the more recent committee that revived it loot-boxes are not gambling. People are not asking for existing regulations to be enforced, they are asking for the regulations to be expanded to include loot boxes, and also for other "addictive and immersive" aspects of video games to be investigated and possibly regulated.

    B'bye o/
    Again, you post something incredibly useless and besides the point. The part I put in bold, is because the commission believes it's gambling, and thus needs to be regulated. I'm not saying change how gambling works, I'm saying it is gambling and thus needs to be regulated like all gambling is.

    As far as I can tell, the original post had a link to a news site which states:

    The commission also raised concerns that close to a million young people had been exposed to gambling through "loot boxes" in video games or on smartphone apps.

    These can involve a player paying money for an item that is only revealed after purchasing.
    Source

    I can't find links that specify that people are asking for regulations to include other addictive and immersive aspects of video games. Unless you're talking about Prince Harry asking for it to be looked into? There's a much easier way to manage play time than there is gambling I'm afraid. The out-of-sight gambling is a giant problem that needs to be resolved.

    I will add this:

    If they chose to sell cosmetic items, without the randomness and only cosmetic which does not effect your game play at all, then I'm all for it. It's just that the gambling portion is what's wrong. They'd still make money off of straight micro-transactions without exploiting people's gambling addictions or introducing them to gambling.
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  19. #659
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Ah, I knew such incredible expectations had to come from experience.
    She probably split when he was treating her child like a prison inmate.

    Imagine a guy giving "great parenting advice" in this thread because he's played a step daddy unsuccessfully a handful of times.

  20. #660
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    She probably split when he was treating her child like a prison inmate.

    Imagine a guy giving "great parenting advice" in this thread because he's played a step daddy unsuccessfully a handful of times.
    Imagine the person who wants what their kids can and can't do to be legislated because they are incompetent and lazy criticizing the person who takes responsibility. Also said I was a step dad once. Reading comprehension up there with parenting skills apparently.

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