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  1. #661
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Cool, nice to know we're still blaming the wrong people here.
    So parents who fuel their kids with pocket money but do not guide their kids in right direction are not to blame? Cool ....

  2. #662
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    This is also a pretty good argument for banning games like WoW which use "sound, light and colour" to trigger a response that could be addictive.
    Yeah, it can be a "pretty good argument" for banning a lot of shit, as long as you are willing to be obtuse about it.

    Because, it's not even what I'm arguing here, a lot of shit can be highly addictive video games, TV, social media, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, a lot of medication and yet we ain't banning them… because it highly depends on the people it affects, and the effects themselves, shit, I’m all in favor of legalizing cannabis, which can also be addictive, however it wouldn’t cross my mind of putting it there without any sort of regulation.

    Loot boxes in my opinion are pretty much the same, regardless how shitty of a practice they might feel like, they shouldn’t be banned, however, they should be regulated, maybe not as heavily as some of the shit I mentioned, but a PEGI warning would be the least they could do, because you know, the time a kid spends in front of a computer can be easily controlled by a parent, the content of a video game that isn’t even disclosed in its box nor website on other hand is slightly more complicated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    So parents who fuel their kids with pocket money but do not guide their kids in right direction are not to blame? Cool ....
    Not as much as the companies giving them access to the gambling. Saying that it's parents fault for not teaching their kids to not gamble is like saying it's the parents fault if a child gets kidnapped because they didn't teach them not to trust strangers. Could the parents have done more? Probably. Are they responsible? FUCK NO

  4. #664
    Quote Originally Posted by Temp name View Post
    Not as much as the companies giving them access to the gambling. Saying that it's parents fault for not teaching their kids to not gamble is like saying it's the parents fault if a child gets kidnapped because they didn't teach them not to trust strangers. Could the parents have done more? Probably. Are they responsible? FUCK NO
    Lulz, that comparison is ridiculous. No one is forcing the child to push the buttons and buy some shiny stuff, and fuck yes the parents are responsible for not teaching their kid how to avoid spending huge amounts of money in video games. In that particular case ( buying stuff ) parents are responsible.

  5. #665
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    Lulz, that comparison is ridiculous. No one is forcing the child to push the buttons and buy some shiny stuff, and fuck yes the parents are responsible for not teaching their kid how to avoid spending huge amounts of money in video games. In that particular case ( buying stuff ) parents are responsible.
    So fuck parents and let company's exploit kids.....
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  6. #666
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    So fuck parents and let company's exploit kids.....
    If parents can't spend time with their kids and raise them properly, why bother having kids in the first place?
    Not company's fault for sure. Spend time with your children - problem solved.

  7. #667
    Yet another “why not both” kind of shit, of course parents need to take responsibility for their kids, and teach them moderation, but they are still kids, they are going to do dumb shit regardless and it’s impossible for a parent to spend every minute of the day with them, thus why we have a bunch of laws and regulations around minors.

  8. #668
    Lootboxes are designed like slot-machines in a casino, with all the necessary light, sound and special effects to trigger that dopamin-release. The more people are exposed to such things the higher the chance they become addicted.
    And as we know kids brains are far more receptible to such manipulation than adults, so keeping these things away from children and developing youngsters should be any societies core interest.

    Now, IF those lootboxes could only be bought then certain posters would be right to complain about parents and paying attention.
    But the thing is, companies throw those things at the players as playing-rewards to get them hooked.
    Thats like saying: Kids, don't do drug, but then let the dealer run around on the playground handing out free test-samples to get his future clients hooked.
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    Games did just fine without resorting to free to play game mechanics to make more money on top of what they already make from DLCs/etc.

    So they get the box sale, dlc sale, season pass sale, and now lots of recurring free money at the cost of how the game used to operate mechanically before this nonsense took hold a couple years ago.

    I've no issue with any of this if they didn't charge jack shit for the game itself while chasing those FTP style profits, but we know these dickheads would never do that. They want that cake and all your money too, so fuck them.

    If a company can't survive they way it used and has to resort to Korean MMO style slot machine and leveling bullshit, let them die IMO. Or go make FTP MMOs and fuck off on those since you like em so much.
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  10. #670
    I just enjoy people who are arguing the philosophy of gambling rather than trying to figure out what is "Right" vs what is "wrong", and even then it comes down to philosophy. You can pretty much tell who picked the popcorn courses through school by reading posts going "Well, everything is gambling then" followed by an awful comparison. (Philosophy is a popcorn course, it's what slackers took because it's easy and fills a credit.)

    One of the arguments I struggle with is the physical mystery boxes like "Loot Crate". In Canada we had "Nerd Boxes" (I do believe they have since shut down) and I bought a couple months worth because of their themes. You were guaranteed things like a T-Shirt, and other little things. I felt this was less like gambling because I knew I was at the very least getting something worth the money spent.

    Move onto loot boxes, and we'll use Black Ops 4 as the example since everyone is on the EA train. Currently their loot boxes while you can earn them without purchasing them, you can purchase them and there's a chance you can get a sticker in which you can use for an emblem or maybe even spray it on the ground or a wall (SO COOL!..jk) or you can get a gun that is better than most of the other guns (What's even worse is, you can get duplicates of what you already have, 3 duplicates = 1 guaranteed item you don't have, and the quality of duplicates you get play no factor, you can get something super rare as a duplicate then get a sticker as a reward for getting three dupes).

    So lets compare the two... Loot crate - "I didn't get the T-Shirt I wanted", am I going to go buy another loot crate? No I can just buy that T-Shirt. Black ops 4 reserve case "Dang I got this weapon charm for this pistol I never use." am I going to buy another loot crate? Well maybe because there is no other way to obtain the item other than loot crates., and thus this is where my issue comes into play. When you completely restrict items behind this system, that's where the issue rears it's head. Sure you can earn the crates without paying for them, however it's at an incredibly slow rate and the chances are you won't gain all items from those crates during the current "Season" and then you will have the next season's items also in the mix, snowballing it and causing way too many items and hurting your chances further. It's designed to give you a taste and get you to buy more.

    Personally I do not agree with loot boxes, I will buy them once in a while as a "Meh why not?" same as casinos, I'll go in once a year maybe just for a "why not?" deal. I lose out on both and I remember why I don't do it and move on. Not everyone has that type of willpower however. No one is going to buy thousands of dollars worth of Mystery Crates to get that one T-Shirt they want, no they will move on and just buy that T-shirt, not everyone is going to spend thousands on kinder surprise for a specific toy, instead they will just buy a toy.

    "It's a slippery slope, what else will the government be able to regulate in our video games?" - A terrible argument, people are simply asking the government to enforce gambling regulations. Video games don't miraculously get you around regulations already in place.
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  11. #671
    Quote Originally Posted by Myobi View Post
    Yet another “why not both” kind of shit, of course parents need to take responsibility for their kids, and teach them moderation, but they are still kids, they are going to do dumb shit regardless and it’s impossible for a parent to spend every minute of the day with them, thus why we have a bunch of laws and regulations around minors.
    I find it strange that so many in here struggle to understand something so obvious.
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  12. #672
    Quote Originally Posted by Exeris View Post
    I find it strange that so many in here struggle to understand something so obvious.
    It's typically because they don't have children, or don't have friends with children.

  13. #673
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfingaz View Post
    "It's a slippery slope, what else will the government be able to regulate in our video games?" - A terrible argument, people are simply asking the government to enforce gambling regulations. Video games don't miraculously get you around regulations already in place.
    That's not true, especially in the context of this thread which is using the UK as an example. It's already been determined that loot-boxes don't fall under gambling regulations here. The parliamentary commitee (which caused this thread to resurface) is looking into expanding gambling regulations to cover loot-boxes, cracking down on 3rd-party websites that use loot-boxes for real-money gambling (presumably something to do with Valve and Couterstrike,) investigating the connection between watching e-sports and underage gambling, asking companies what lengths they take to restrict the amount of money players can pay and how long they play for, looking into how online gaming connects with bullying and in general the harm that "addictive and immersive technology" can do to children, including citing Prince Harry's call for Fortnite to be outright banned for the amount of time it encourages children to play.

  14. #674
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    If parents can't spend time with their kids and raise them properly, why bother having kids in the first place?
    Not company's fault for sure. Spend time with your children - problem solved.
    spoken like a person who has never raised a kid.

    Hate to break it to you but no matter how much time parents are with kids or how much they teach them kids will still do dumb shit. No point in the history of mankind has a kid grown up perfect and done nothing dumb.

    So back to what I said your of the opinion of fuck parents and its ok for company's to exploit kids because fuck parents.
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  15. #675
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    That's not true, especially in the context of this thread which is using the UK as an example. It's already been determined that loot-boxes don't fall under gambling regulations here. The parliamentary commitee (which caused this thread to resurface) is looking into expanding gambling regulations to cover loot-boxes, cracking down on 3rd-party websites that use loot-boxes for real-money gambling (presumably something to do with Valve and Couterstrike,) investigating the connection between watching e-sports and underage gambling, asking companies what lengths they take to restrict the amount of money players can pay and how long they play for, looking into how online gaming connects with bullying and in general the harm that "addictive and immersive technology" can do to children, including citing Prince Harry's call for Fortnite to be outright banned for the amount of time it encourages children to play.
    It's almost as if laws and regulations never change with the times.

  16. #676
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    spoken like a person who has never raised a kid.

    Hate to break it to you but no matter how much time parents are with kids or how much they teach them kids will still do dumb shit. No point in the history of mankind has a kid grown up perfect and done nothing dumb.

    So back to what I said your of the opinion of fuck parents and its ok for company's to exploit kids because fuck parents.
    There is a big difference in what you call dumb shit, or better say - level of dumb shit. Breaking something inside the house, or lying about your grades - that is one level of dumb shit. But spending hunderds of $ on video games with parents knowing and having no repercussions is on completely another level. Especially considering that parents are lending that money to their kid and not controlling how he/she spends it.

    So my opinion is still the same, be better parents - otherwise it won't be just video games gambling, but something far worse ahead ...

  17. #677
    Quote Originally Posted by Goldfingaz View Post
    It's almost as if laws and regulations never change with the times.
    Yeah, but you said no-one was asking for regulations to change, just for existing ones to be enforced.

  18. #678
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    There is a big difference in what you call dumb shit, or better say - level of dumb shit. Breaking something in the house, or lying about your grades - that is one level of dumb shit. But spending hunderds of $ on video games with parents knowing and having no repercussions is on completely another level. Especially considering that parents are lending that money to their kid and not controlling how he/she spends it.

    So my opinion is still the same, be better parents - otherwise it won't be just video games gambling, but something far worse ahead ...
    The amount of money they spent on it is irrelevant to the point, just as if there are repercussions from the part of their parents after or not.

    It's just something that you don't want minors being exposed too, because as the studies point out, it affects brain development.

    Does a kid need to spend hundreds of dollars on booze behind their parents back to be a problem? No, you just don't want the little shits drinking at all, at least until they they are old enough to be held responsible for their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    So parents who fuel their kids with pocket money but do not guide their kids in right direction are not to blame? Cool ....
    No, they are not. I was handed my money and told that it’s my money, spend it how I like. I made my mistakes with money and learnt from it. Now I own a business based on business accounts and an advisory director for another!

  20. #680
    Quote Originally Posted by Dhrizzle View Post
    Yeah, but you said no-one was asking for regulations to change, just for existing ones to be enforced.
    I said nothing of the sort. I said:

    "It's a slippery slope, what else will the government be able to regulate in our video games?" - A terrible argument, people are simply asking the government to enforce gambling regulations. Video games don't miraculously get you around regulations already in place.
    Gambling is already restricted, and these are very much a source of gambling. I said earlier, I wasn't going to argue the philosophy on what you feel is gambling or isn't. It is gambling, bottom line as the definition of gambling is: the activity or practice of playing at a game of chance for money or other stakes.

    Other stakes being the rewards inside of the loot box.

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