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  1. #901
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    There were almost no credit cards back when i was 4 ( Ukraine ). And still - i didn't resort to stealing money from my parents, coz they raised me right.
    And yet they raised you to believe that tricking people and scamming them is ok as long as its legal.

  2. #902
    Quote Originally Posted by qwerty123456 View Post
    And yet they raised you to believe that tricking people and scamming them is ok as long as its legal.
    Where did you get that idea?

  3. #903
    Quote Originally Posted by Popastique View Post
    P.S. You should stop the *Well said from someone who has never raised a kid in their life.* record though, it is getting old
    When you stop with the "Bad Parenting" record ill stop with mine.

    Until then ill keep repeating it cause its true and always very easy to tell who it applies to.
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  4. #904
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    When you stop with the "Bad Parenting" record ill stop with mine.

    Until then ill keep repeating it cause its true and always very easy to tell who it applies to.
    So, who's fault is it when a kid plays a "M for gambling game" on console or mobile?

  5. #905
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    So, who's fault is it when a kid plays a "M for gambling game" on console or mobile?
    Depends how they got said game...

    You do realize parents can't watch a kid 24/7 right? Its not on the parent if a friend or another family member got them the game without the parent knowing.
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  6. #906
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Depends how they got said game...

    You do realize parents can't watch a kid 24/7 right? Its not on the parent if a friend or another family member got them the game without the parent knowing.
    Unless the same parents complaining about 3k learned about parental controls, digital download.

    And kids are too stupid to understand the ESRB/PEGI system, so that leaves the parents to blame since it's clearly rated "M for gambling".

  7. #907
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    Unless the same parents complaining about 3k learned about parental controls, digital download.
    You said Console or Mobile, In the case of Console you can buy physical.....

    so that leaves the parents to blame since it's clearly rated "M for gambling".
    What the fuck are you on about, The game in question is FIFA and is rated E. If it was rated M and parents still bought the game then yes the blame would 100% be on them.

    Until that happens (It would be a AO rating not M) then ESRB and Company's like EA are knowingly exploiting kids with gambling.
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  8. #908
    Gonna go straight into requiring someone to age verify at a 7-11 to buy an in game currency card.

  9. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    You said Console or Mobile, In the case of Console you can buy physical.....



    What the fuck are you on about, The game in question is FIFA and is rated E. If it was rated M and parents still bought the game then yes the blame would 100% be on them.

    Until that happens (It would be a AO rating not M) then ESRB and Company's like EA are knowingly exploiting kids with gambling.
    And people like you would get in the way of physical purchases and you have my respect for that. But a kid who can spend 3k on mtx can easily buy a digital copy of FIFA.

    And LOL. You might get some support for M (which wouldn't fix shit, just make parents more culpable) no one is supporting AO because that's a fucking death sentence in gaming.

    AO games typically don't get shelf space.

  10. #910
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    And people like you would get in the way of physical purchases and you have my respect for that. But a kid who can spend 3k on mtx can easily buy a digital copy of FIFA.

    And LOL. You might get some support for M (which wouldn't fix shit, just make parents more culpable) no one is supporting AO because that's a fucking death sentence in gaming.

    AO games typically don't get shelf space.
    I'm fine with a M or AO rating, At that point no matter the excuse the blame is on the parent.

    The ESRB won't do it because they would have to give it a AO rating due to it being gambling. Like I've said before tho AAA Company's and the ESRB can keep playing dumb all they want. Governments will just start doing their job for them.
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  11. #911
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    I'm fine with a M or AO rating, At that point no matter the excuse the blame is on the parent.

    The ESRB won't do it because they would have to give it a AO rating due to it being gambling. Like I've said before tho AAA Company's and the ESRB can keep playing dumb all they want. Governments will just start doing their job for them.
    And that's why nothing will change. The game industry isn't taking an L that big because politicians and parents want to be ridiculous and put mtxs next to porn games.

  12. #912
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    And that's why nothing will change. The game industry isn't taking an L that big because politicians and parents want to be ridiculous and put mtxs next to porn games.
    Doesn't matter if the game industry likes it or not. It will take awhile but ether games will get labeled or governments will just outright make it illegal.
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  13. #913
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    Doesn't matter if the game industry likes it or not. It will take awhile but ether games will get labeled or governments will just outright make it illegal.
    And things that aren't gambling?

    (Remember. The story everyone decided to jump on doesn't involve lootboxes. So, no AO rating for just having mtxs. Unless EVERYTHING is gambling now. :|)

  14. #914
    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    And things that aren't gambling?

    (Remember. The story everyone decided to jump on doesn't involve lootboxes. So, no AO rating for just having mtxs. Unless EVERYTHING is gambling now. :|)
    I'm perfectly fine if MTX's was behind a age gate. Also part of the story was a kid buying fifa card packs those are loot box's.

    As it stands Governments are only looking at loot box's as well.
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  15. #915
    Quote Originally Posted by Jtbrig7390 View Post
    I'm perfectly fine if MTX's was behind a age gate. Also part of the story was a kid buying fifa card packs those are loot box's.

    As it stands Governments are only looking at loot box's as well.
    And by focusing on "gambling", you completely trap yourself on only doing lootboxes.

    So, what term are we pulling out since we're protecting the children? (Even though digital downloads and leaving cards with no password protection on mobile will still be a problem.)

  16. #916
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    Bullshit. Parents need to stop shirking responsibility on this topic.

    Companies sell things. Including things aimed at kids. If you gave a child access to infinite money, they'd buy $1000 in Pokemon card packs at the store, too. Which is why generally know better than to give kids access to unlimited funds in any situation.

    This is common sense to everyone. No one would ever actually do this. But now they just connect all their money to their phone, hand the phone to the kid, and then act like, "HOLY CRAP THIS WAS TOTALLY UNFORSEEABLE!!!" when the kid spends money.

    It's nonsense.
    You have to love when people are 100% defending greedy, scumbag companies and blaming parents at every single turn. Absolutely mindboggling the lengths people go to defend billionaires, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

  17. #917
    Quote Originally Posted by Varitok View Post
    You have to love when people are 100% defending greedy, scumbag companies and blaming parents at every single turn. Absolutely mindboggling the lengths people go to defend billionaires, it would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
    I'm enjoying learning how game companys use vodoo magic to force people to buy things.

    The pricing of mtxs are scummy, but it's not their fucking fault if someone does this. Is it Apple's fault if a dumb kid racks up an 800 dollar iTunes bill? Did gambling make that happen?

  18. #918
    Quote Originally Posted by Bovinity Divinity View Post
    I don't really get why people have suddenly started taking this big moral stand about fucking Overwatch loot boxes and bringing up "The children, the children..." as if skins in boxes are actually ruining their lives. Just because some people in the gaming community are whiny bastards over not getting the skin they wanted and wanted to blow it out of proportion, I guess.

    Meanwhile there's still actual gambling out there that's completely accessible to minors - and in the gaming community - but no one really bothers with that in the gaming community because they don't actually give a fuck about "gambling", they're just being bitchy about loot boxes in their games.
    Um, that sounds like someone profiting from loot box gambling. Would it be even thought it's gambling if the exact list of what is contained was right on the box?
    No. It is the unknown aspect that proves this is gambling. You don't know what you'e getting, you don't know all the odds and like a scatch off ticket, I paid before I could scratch it. The game manufacturers know exactly what they're doing and they don't like government or we the people figuring out what they're doing.
    So we have defenders coming up with all sorts of deflection and weird comments trying to justify gambling in game. And of course, people will throw in the "you don't have to do it" defense. Of course not, but millions do. And thats the millions the game manufacturers want to keep in the dark and paying.
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  19. #919
    Any form of cash purchase random chance box needs banning from video games full stop.

    And I don't care if EA crashes as half there revinue disintegrates, that company is scum and any one who works form them are scum by association.

    Luckly governments are starting to see this and many other toxic and anti Co sumer practises in the gaming industry as issues, so the big profit from psudo gambling days of gaming company's are numbered.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dextroden View Post
    And people like you would get in the way of physical purchases and you have my respect for that. But a kid who can spend 3k on mtx can easily buy a digital copy of FIFA.

    And LOL. You might get some support for M (which wouldn't fix shit, just make parents more culpable) no one is supporting AO because that's a fucking death sentence in gaming.

    AO games typically don't get shelf space.
    You don't make the parents responsible, that never fixes anything, though I agree there are Lax parents.

    If you want to fix a problem fast you hit what actualy counts, the money and in this case that's the company, you make the company responsible if a child plays there game under age. Do that and watch how bloody guickly the problem gets solved.

  20. #920
    Quote Originally Posted by Krastyn View Post
    -snip-
    I'll just say that because something exists in a way, doesn't mean it cannot be changed/regulated and we should just deal with it. Alcohol has been banned in the past with bad results and now it's heavily regulated (again, results may vary).

    From your post i get you are a fan of microtx and invest on them so you don't see anything wrong in them. For me it's the exact opposite and i don't think we'll ever agree but it's still been a talk worth doing.

    I don't have the competence to get into legal talk, but things can and will change for sure. May take quite a lot of time though and likely not in a way i hope/like. I will deal with it.

    EDIT: i fully agree on the part that ESRB should be doing its job, but given how they're in the hands of game companies, i don't see it doing any better in the future until government is involved.

    EDIT2: a more clear labeling and a MTX parental lock would be a good start. If a kid spends money without supervision but parents didn't bother to set the lock on, then that's their fault.

    I would go into the broader "MTX are making so much revenue that publishers have no reasons to make quality games anymore" argument, but this is not what we're discussing here.
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