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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    If it was gambling, it would be forbidden here. You can't go into a casino as a kid. Why would you be able to participate in a lottery if it was gambling?
    You have to be 18 years old to participate in state lottery here, not sure what bullshit you're talking about.

    Raffles have to offer a free entry method or they to, become a lottery and you're forced to be 18.

    You literally have no clue what you're talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    What a dumb comparison.
    It wasn't even a comparison, seems you don't understand that word either.

    You said collecting is boring without a random element. People collect games. Do the math.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    False.

    Ever seen any giveaway? Like say the Taco Bell Xbox One giveaway going on? They all have to offer free options with no purchase necessary to avoid being shut down. If they didn't, they would be gambling.

    But please tell me more about things you don't understand. Also many governments actually do have certain laws in place around trading card packs, usually requiring odds to be stated on the packaging or available at retail if asked.
    Tbf loot boxes are closer to your taco bell giveaway analogy then going to a casino. Sure you can buy loot boxes, but you can easily get them free. (Just like you can buy an excessive amount of 5 dollar boxes at t-bell to enter multiple time)

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    You have to be 18 years old to participate in state lottery here, not sure what bullshit you're talking about.

    Raffles have to offer a free entry method or they to, become a lottery and you're forced to be 18.

    You literally have no clue what you're talking about.
    I'm not talking about a lottery where you can win money.

    I said this before. Gambling is when you can win money. When you don't win money, it's not gambling. We have lotteries here where you can win prizes.

    Gambling is when you go into a casino and you put real money down for a game, and if you lose, you lose the money, and if you win, you win money.

    When you buy TCG packs, you buy a product. You are guaranteed to get a product. The product is random. But you always get a product. Gambling would be if you pay 3 bucks and then the store owner rolls a die and if you don't get the right result, you get nothing. That would be gambling.

    Gambling in video games would be if you pay money and then there is a certain chance you will get something, and a certain chance you will get nothing. That is not the case with lootboxes. You buy a lootbox, you always get a lootbox. There is no element of gambling in this. Just cause you don't know what you will get doesn't make it gambling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post

    You said collecting is boring without a random element. People collect games. Do the math.
    Another dumb comparison.

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Tbf loot boxes are closer to your taco bell giveaway analogy then going to a casino. Sure you can buy loot boxes, but you can easily get them free. (Just like you can buy an excessive amount of 5 dollar boxes at t-bell to enter multiple time)
    False, the Taco Bell giveaway gives you 2 entries per day regardless of if you spend money or not. The odds have to be the same. You can't just buy infinite boxes and enter them all, you can only enter once per day per entry method(text and web).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    Another dumb comparison.
    Again it's not a comparison. Learn the meaning of words before using them.

    The guy who claims lottery isn't gambling really should stop replying. One thing is for sure, you're not a gambler. Not a good one anyways because you have no idea when to fold em'.

  5. #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    Again it's not a comparison. Learn the meaning of words before using them.

    The guy who claims lottery isn't gambling really should stop replying. One thing is for sure, you're not a gambler. Not a good one anyways because you have no idea when to fold em'.
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn some hubris. This isn't gambling, you are just looking for more reasons to complain.

  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about. Learn some hubris. This isn't gambling, you are just looking for more reasons to complain.
    you know someone has lost a argument when all they got left to say is "your just looking for reasons to complain"
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  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    Learn some hubris.
    Hurbis is not something you learn.

    Just like lottery is gambling.

    Just like a comparison is not giving an example of your own statement.

    You have failed to prove anything wrong, gambling is simply that- spending some form of currency on a game of chance.

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    False, the Taco Bell giveaway gives you 2 entries per day regardless of if you spend money or not. The odds have to be the same. You can't just buy infinite boxes and enter them all, you can only enter once per day per entry method(text and web).

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    Again it's not a comparison. Learn the meaning of words before using them.

    The guy who claims lottery isn't gambling really should stop replying. One thing is for sure, you're not a gambler. Not a good one anyways because you have no idea when to fold em'.
    Guess t-bell changed theirs since like 8 years ago then, you can still buy large amount of McDonalds during monopoly though, point is, loot boxes aren't like going to the casino, or playing the lotto, if you can get them free

    And technically you're not legally allowed to buy things online under the age of 18 in most countries, so that part is the fault of the parents

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    if you can get them free
    You can get free tokens and free lotto entries to you know this right? Almost every form of gambling has free entry points to try and hook you.

  10. #90
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    So every time you buy a box of cereal with a random toy in it, that is gambling?

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    So every time you buy a box of cereal with a random toy in it, that is gambling?
    Yes; their problem is that they're arguing gambling is inherently bad and wrong, Puritan-style.

  12. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    Yes; their problem is that they're arguing gambling is inherently bad and wrong, Puritan-style.
    So gambling is legal for children everywhere?

  13. #93
    Far too much focus on lootboxes and not enough on the causes of the increase. If lootboxes were the real issue then most of us would be addicts since we grew up dealing with trading cards of some kind. Baseball, basketball, football, hockey, yu-gi-oh, pokemon, digimon, etc had already done the same thing that lootboxes are doing now.

  14. #94
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    So gambling is legal for children everywhere?
    That would seem to be the argument, yes. The only differences I can see would be perception and convenience.
    Last edited by Nurasu; 2018-11-21 at 11:05 PM.

  15. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nurasu View Post
    That would seem to be the argument, yes. The only differences I can see would be perception and convenience.
    If gambling is legal for children everywhere, because everything that you pay for with some kind of currency and has some kind of randomness in terms of what you get is gambling, then what is the problem with lootboxes?

  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    If gambling is legal for children everywhere, because everything that you pay for with some kind of currency and has some kind of randomness in terms of what you get is gambling, then what is the problem with lootboxes?
    Public perception that loot boxes are worse and the convenience of getting looting boxes rather than 20 boxes of cereal.

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  18. #98
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yunru View Post
    Tell me guys. Does this look dangerous to you:
    It's literally the same as a guy buying a display of trading card game packs.

  19. #99
    Quote Originally Posted by Laurah View Post
    So gambling is legal for children everywhere?
    Technically buying loot boxes isn't legal for children, it's either their parent's allowing it, or their parent's being too daft to realize they're snaking their CC.

  20. #100
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    Quote Originally Posted by Onikaroshi View Post
    Technically buying loot boxes isn't legal for children, it's either their parent's allowing it, or their parent's being too daft to realize they're snaking their CC.
    You don't have to use a credit card. You don't even have to use real money, you can convert WoW gold into battle net balance. Well in Blizzard games at least.

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