(Loot Box's) Number of child gamblers quadruples in just two years....

[Deleted]

Because they're not legally allowed do get CC's and Debit card's without parental consent, we're not talking battle.net balance or gold, but actual cash. (And if they're under 13, they're not legally allowed to be anywhere online without parental consent. You can't even join Discord if you're under 13 and risk having every server you're part of taken down).

You don't need credit cards or debit cards to get battle net balance.

Blizzard is about the only one that makes it easy with cards at the store you can spend greenbacks on.

So it's possible for kids to buy these things. And why wouldn't it?

[Onikaroshi]

You don't need credit cards or debit cards to get battle net balance.


So it's possible for kids to buy these things. And why wouldn't it?

I don't know why you are so focused on blizzard games. They're not the only ones with loot boxes.

[Deleted]

I don't know why you are so focused on blizzard games. They're not the only ones with loot boxes.

The question was about whether children are able to buy lootboxes. They can in Blizzard games. If they can't in other companies games you have to ask these companies why they can't, but the answer clearly isn't "because it is illegal", so where is the problem now?

I guess they can't in other companies games because these other companies don't have ways of conveniently buying an online currency like battle net balance. Ask these companies why they aren't doing that.

[EyelessCrow]

Not true. You cant sell those cards.

I can get $250000 dollars for this:


If i try to sell the ingame card packs (for real money), i just cant.

No you can't

[Onikaroshi]

No you can't

I'm going to assume they added a zero on accident, since the last time that card sold it was for over $27k

[Varitok]

Well, it really comes to a point of, do you want updates to your game past the first year? Yes? Then there's either some form of Microtransaction, or you're buying "season passes", games are expensive to develop.

Funny how prior to DLC and converting unlocking costumes from game challenge to microtransactions, I had games that got years of patches at no additional cost. You've fallen for the "We need to nickel and dime you" scam.

[Deleted]

Funny how prior to DLC and converting unlocking costumes from game challenge to microtransactions, I had games that got years of patches at no additional cost. You've fallen for the "We need to nickel and dime you" scam.

Yeah but what kind of patches were those?`How much work was put into them and how much content did they actually give. Creating content costs money. Someone has to pay the developers. There's a reason why we pay a sub for WoW.

[Krastyn]

I don't know what the current situation is in China, but western laws are going to be a lot more stringent than simply being able to circumvent them with a loophole like that.

I can't speak for the EU, but in Canada / US, it will really be that easy. There is already an established precedent of other businesses that do the exact same thing. So unless they plan to modify regulations for every industry, and not just the gaming industry, this won't change.

[Deleted]

Yeah I've always thought lootboxes were basically just a way for kids to be able to gamble, and honestly glad, for once, that governments are doing something about it.

If companies like Activision-Blizzard, ect, aren't going to stop this garbage out of any kind of moral or ethical care, then the government is going to force you to stop it.

No sympathy for the gaming companies being forced to change their shifty ass policies that are horribly anti-consumer.

Need government to also wipe your ass?Can no one raise children anymore?Kids have so much power these days its insane,what was seen as normal parenting 20 years ago most of it now its considered child abuse.Creating weak and irresponsible people its a standard these days.It's everyone else fault buy your own.Teach your kids something for f sake...Say NO to things...

Tired of seeing 2 year olds in bus in kidstroller holding phone while parents do the same.They are just throwing phones,pc,consoles,clothes...at them and letting that raise them.Then they wonder why kids have problems...pathetic...I know there are casinos,lottery tickets,scratches,loot boxes and what else is there but i don't take out my card and start buying it.

I don't like loot boxes one bit but it just stupidity of some people who buy them.It will not affect your life if you don't buy them,it won't affect your life if you dont buy each time new iphone when it comes out.Stop being consumed into material things.Banning things like loot boxes is stupid.You will just move people to next thing that can be addicitng instead of educating them...

[Hella clutch]

I would say it's a bit different. If you purchase a physical booster pack, you are guaranteed x rares, y uncommons and z common cards. If you buy a loot box in overwatch, you could get 4 sprays, or 4 legendary skins. Those two lootboxes do not have the same 'value', while each physical card pack will (at least before player enforced monetary value of cards is introduced)

Not to mention Trading cards have real world value in that you can trade or sell them. You can’t do with with pixels.

[Keile]

If it was gambling, it would be forbidden here. You can't go into a casino as a kid. Why would you be able to participate in a lottery if it was gambling?

Lotto is 100% gambling.

I actually work for a group that helps compulsive gamblers...and lotto is one of the largest offenders, next to Slot Machines.

[Deleted]

Lotto is 100% gambling.

Lottery, not lotto.

[Keile]

Lottery, not lotto.

You do realize they are one and the same, right?

[Deleted]

You do realize they are one and the same, right?

No. Lotto is betting money on numbers, and if you win, you win a certain amount of money.

A lottery is a giveaway. Sometimes money, but often all sorts of prices.

[Onikaroshi]

Not to mention Trading cards have real world value in that you can trade or sell them. You can’t do with with pixels.

Depends on the game, a lot of games people will flat out sell whole accounts for. But as for "legal" selling of loot box pixels, that's been happening in CS:GO for many years.

[Keile]

No. Lotto is betting money on numbers, and if you win, you win a certain amount of money.

A lottery is a giveaway. Sometimes money, but often all sorts of prices.

Lotto is also used for State lottery.

You are literally arguing with someone who works with this shit for a living. I know more about it than you do.

[Onikaroshi]

No. Lotto is betting money on numbers, and if you win, you win a certain amount of money.

A lottery is a giveaway. Sometimes money, but often all sorts of prices.

lot·ter·y
/ˈlädərē/Submit
noun
a means of raising money by selling numbered tickets and giving prizes to the holders of numbers drawn at random.
synonyms: raffle, drawing, prize drawing, sweepstake(s), lotto
"play the lottery"
a process or thing whose success or outcome is governed by chance.
"the lottery of life"
synonyms: gamble, speculation, venture, risk, game of chance, matter of luck; informalcrapshoot
"life is a lottery"


You literally described lottery under lotto

[Necroxis]

Need government to also wipe your ass?Can no one raise children anymore?Kids have so much power these days its insane,what was seen as normal parenting 20 years ago most of it now its considered child abuse.Creating weak and irresponsible people its a standard these days.It's everyone else fault buy your own.Teach your kids something for f sake...Say NO to things...

Tired of seeing 2 year olds in bus in kidstroller holding phone while parents do the same.They are just throwing phones,pc,consoles,clothes...at them and letting that raise them.Then they wonder why kids have problems...pathetic...I know there are casinos,lottery tickets,scratches,loot boxes and what else is there but i don't take out my card and start buying it.

I don't like loot boxes one bit but it just stupidity of some people who buy them.It will not affect your life if you don't buy them,it won't affect your life if you dont buy each time new iphone when it comes out.Stop being consumed into material things.Banning things like loot boxes is stupid.You will just move people to next thing that can be addicitng instead of educating them...

Oh cut the edgelord bs. Children are children and both don't understand the predatory-type behavior that these games use in their systems as well as being completely unaware of how these things are affecting their brains.

Your entire second paragraph is just complete nonsense raging about 2 year olds having phones or some other craziness. We regulate what commercials are shown during children's TV stations and/or programming blocks, eventually we're going to have regulation about not encouraging children to become addicted to spending money. Because that's needed based on the research we have available regarding how its fucking up kids and creating entire groups of gambling addicts before they even hit 18.

I don't buy lootboxes with real money myself, but I'm also able to have basic human empathy and understand other people struggle with things I don't and that they should also be protected.

Who are you really rewarding with your blind rage here? Faceless billion dollar gaming corporations that give no fucks about you or me or anybody and just wants to siphon as much cash out of us as possible before they're stopped by public outrage and/or legal action. I find it amazing anybody would want to die on the argumentative hill of defending activision or ea or ubisoft over this.

[Kaleredar]

Sounds like parents need to be tighter on their credit cards.

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lot·ter·y
/ˈlädərē/Submit
noun
a means of raising money by selling numbered tickets and giving prizes to the holders of numbers drawn at random.
synonyms: raffle, drawing, prize drawing, sweepstake(s), lotto
"play the lottery"
a process or thing whose success or outcome is governed by chance.
"the lottery of life"
synonyms: gamble, speculation, venture, risk, game of chance, matter of luck; informalcrapshoot
"life is a lottery"


You literally described lottery under lotto

No, this is exactly what I mean.

Lotto is a very specific thing.

https://www.lotto.de/