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  1. #101
    Am I strange for being someone that has done legitimate M+15's yet has never touched the Raider.io Website at all?

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Taenaeris View Post
    The entire PUG'ing scene is essentially flooded with people who're just looking for free carries. Back in Legion, it was customary not to ask for an IO score above your own and people would also generally agree to get on Discord when doing more difficult keys.

    These days, I see a lot of people having like 1k score with one +15 done in time, a few +12's and everything else +10 or lower - asking for 1500+ score to run a +12 Tol Dagor. And people also seem to look more at the raw number rather than the per-dungeon values.

    As I've explained above, the underlying issue it that it is not worth anybody's time anymore to complete a M+ run outside of improving one's IO score. So if a run starts badly - even if it's just a tiny little mistake - it's often best to quit immediately yourself instead of wasting time just to see somebody else quit.

    Combine this with the current situation where people are essentially asking you to have a +14 completed in time to run a +12 - it means that for many M+ runs that you join anything but a perfect run is completely worthless.
    Yeah, I don't know what happened really. In Legion, it was much more common for groups to ask for discord, even for dungeons around 15-17 level (which is basically around 10-12 now, since weekly chest used to be +15, now it's +10). We supposedly have in-game voice chat, no one uses that either. Most groups don't want any form of communication except maybe "do you have a route in method dungeon tools", which is a replacement for communication, but won't help if something goes south and the pulls get deviated from the imported string.

    Most groups want cookie cutter setup (dk tank, rogue / dh / mage / boomie dps etc.) and cookie cutter strat, so no communication or deviation from meta would occur.

    And yes, about half the leaders ask for raider.io they don't have themselves, be it 900 asking for 1.2k or 1.2k asking for 1.4k, same thing. Basically "carry me because I believe I'm worth more score than I have", based on what, no one knows. If you're worth more score than you think, so is every other guy of your score you're declining, eh?

    I think one of the funnier memories I have from Legion pugging was +14 hov I've joined with the purpose of upgrading the key and getting weekly 15 done, and it turned into lower kara, that apparently no one in the group knew well at all. We decided to stick to it, get on discord and try to complete it no matter what. It took us 1,5 hour but no one left. At some point we had to pause the run and recheck strat for a boss because we were wiping and no one knew exactly why. It was a learning experience for everyone involved.

    That's such a contrast to hearing all the bfa stories of constant leavers because 1 small thing deviated from the pre-defined path.

    Quote Originally Posted by Low Hanging Fruit View Post
    So, I mean, I guess IO is just a toxic as fuck addon then?
    Helps with avoiding groups where douchebags ask for score they don't even have themselves, i.e. expecting a carry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Am I strange for being someone that has done legitimate M+15's yet has never touched the Raider.io Website at all?
    In pugs? Or with friends / guild?

  3. #103
    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Am I strange for being someone that has done legitimate M+15's yet has never touched the Raider.io Website at all?
    I'm right there with you, I've done +10-+12s with my guild just goofing around and never really cared about raider.io. Supposedly our warrior is rank 1 for horde on our server or something.

  4. #104
    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    In pugs? Or with friends / guild?
    Usually 1 or 2 friends/guildies, rest PuGs.

  5. #105
    then its either your guildmates filling the group for you or these 15s are from legion.

  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marrilaife View Post
    Helps with avoiding groups where douchebags ask for score they don't even have themselves, i.e. expecting a carry.
    Well, what I said was pointed directly at the response in the previous post. Over all I think it is a good addon. The reason you state as one for sure. It is without a doubt the normal toxic community that cause the issue I was discussing with the pervious poster and less the addon. Although its score is the carrot on the stick for the toxicity.

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