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    excluding end bosses, what do you consider to be the hardest encounter in each raid?

    following my previous thread about the hardest fight in each raid, it's clear that the majority of the time the end boss is the hardest. so i thought i'd switch it up a little... in YOUR experience, what was the hardest boss for you in each raid, not counting the end boss?

    as before, i'll include a template below (obviously excluding 1/2 boss raids):


    Molten Core:
    Blackwing Lair:
    Zul'Gurub:
    AQ20:
    AQ40:
    Old Naxx:

    Karazhan:
    SSC:
    Tempest Keep:
    Mount Hyjal:
    Black Temple:
    Sunwell Plateau:

    Naxxramas:
    Ulduar:
    TotC:
    Icecrown Citadel:

    Blackwing Descent:
    Bastion of Twilight:
    Firelands:
    Dragon Soul:

    Mogu'Shan Vaults:
    Heart of Fear:
    Terrace of Endless Spring:
    Throne of Thunder:
    Siege of Orgrimmar:

    Highmaul:
    Blackrock Foundry:
    Hellfire Citadel:

    Emerald Nightmare:
    Trial of Valor:
    Nighthold:
    Tomb of Sargeras:
    Antorus:

    Uldir:

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    Um, so I'm very bad with names and know a lot of bosses only by the nicknames I've given them, ask my raiders. I WILL DO MY BEST.

    Molten Core: I didn't do as current content
    Blackwing Lair: I didn't do as current content
    Zul'Gurub: Jin'do I think his name was? The boss with the blood pits.
    AQ20: I remember hating the second boss but I don't think that was necessarily because it was harder. Probably the big bug that chased people around a little pond and there were eggs and I think mind controls?
    AQ40: Twin Emps.
    Old Naxx: I didn't do as current content, but 4 Horsemen was generally accepted to be the worst.

    Karazhan: Are we counting Nightbane or Prince as the final boss? The other one.
    SSC: We had the hardest time with Leotheras (the holy priests could never kill their damn shadow) but the council-y fight (Karathress? Kalathiss? something like that) was probably objectively harder.
    Tempest Keep: A'lar
    Mount Hyjal: I don't remember; in my brain I conflate all the bosses between Rage and Archimonde. Maybe the guy you wanted all the shadow resist for?
    Black Temple: Gorefiend, just because there was always a handful of people that couldn't drive the ghost.
    Sunwell Plateau: Never got past twins while current content, but Muru was the roadblock for most raids.

    Naxxramas: The fucker you needed mind control for.
    Ulduar: Assuming we're not counting hardmodes (in which case: Firefighter) then maybe General? FL wins for "hardest due to pure tedium."
    TotC: The pvpish fight probably, although I think the first boss was close despite being first.
    Icecrown Citadel: Depended on raid size iirc. Professor on 10, Sindy on 25. At least on HM.

    Blackwing Descent: Probably the sound dragon.
    Bastion of Twilight: Gonna guess Sinestra counts as a last boss so maybe the council fight.
    Firelands: Probably Staghelm.
    Dragon Soul: Spine. Fuck spine.

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon.
    Heart of Fear: For most raids, I think it was Garalon but we had a harder time with the boss right after him that had the six or eight adds. I think that one was harder than the last boss for us.
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Lei Shi, although I will allow maybe that was just because that was an extremely annoying fight.
    Throne of Thunder: Maybe Animus? We had the most wipes on Horridon but the tuning on him was garbage initially; he wasn't objectively very hard.
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Blackfuse maybe? Shaman?

    Highmaul: The second to last guy, some ogre wizard dude.
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace for sure.
    Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth if we're talking mythic. The fire dude on heroic.

    Emerald Nightmare: The eye one.
    Trial of Valor: I think Helya was the only one that was hard but I guess if I have to pick someone else, Odyn probably moreso than the Puppy.
    Nighthold: Botanist probably.
    Tomb of Sargeras: Ribcage dude.
    Antorus: Coven for sure.

    Uldir: Zul
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    Just gonna do the raids I have a strong memory of

    Dragon Soul: Spine

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
    Heart of Fear: Ambershaper (vehicles lol)
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Tsulong (for some reason had a worse time on him then Lei Shi)
    Throne of Thunder: Dark Animus
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Siegecrafter on 10, Paragons on 25

    Highmaul: Butcher
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    Hellfire Citadel: Gorefiend

    Emerald Nightmare: Il'gynoth
    Trial of Valor: Odyn
    Nighthold: Star Augur
    Tomb of Sargeras: Avatar
    Antorus: Aggramar

    Uldir: Fetid took the most pulls aside from G'huun

    Raided before then but have very bad memory of other bosses.

    Honorable mentions:

    Sindragosa
    M'uru
    Atremedes
    Mimiron

    Don't remember approx wipe counts, but the bosses stick out in my mind as difficult
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    I will start with Cataclysm since that is where heroic difficulty became standard.

    Cataclysm
    Blackwing Descent: Omnotron Defense System
    Bastion of Twilight: Council
    Firelands: Baleroc
    Dragon Soul: Spine

    MoP
    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
    Heart of Fear: Zor'lok
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Lei Shi
    Throne of Thunder: Animus, unless Raden counts as final boss, in which case Lei Shen
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Klaxxi

    WoD
    Highmaul: Butcher
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth

    Legion
    Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Odyn
    Nighthold: Star Augur
    Tomb of Sargeras: Avatar
    Antorus: Aggramar


    Some bosses that were a bit too hard for their place in the instance (other than already voted for Omnotron, Zor'lok, and Butcher) include Gorefiend, Il'gynoth, and Mistress Sassz'ine.
    I don't think that they were objectively harder than the penultimate bosses of their respective instances though, it was more of a shock to see such hard fights so relatively early in the tier.
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    Blackwing Descent: omnotron
    Bastion of Twilight: council
    Firelands: baleroc
    Dragon Soul: spine

    Uldir: mythrax

    Didn't raid during other tiers.
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    Assuming highest available raid difficulty, the difficulty percieved at first kill, - means didn't do the raid.

    Molten Core: Majordomo Executus
    Blackwing Lair:Vaelastrasz the Corrupt, very even with Chromaggus
    Zul'Gurub: Bloodlord Mandokir
    AQ20: General Rajaxx
    AQ40:Twins, Viscidus is more meme rather than difficulty
    Old Naxx: Thaddius

    Karazhan: Netherspite
    SSC:Leotheras the Blind pre +healing rework
    Tempest Keep: Astromancer Solarian
    Mount Hyjal: Azgalor
    Black Temple: Teron Gorefiend
    Sunwell Plateau: M'uru

    Naxxramas: Thaddius
    Ulduar: Mimiron Firefighter
    TotC:Twin Val'kyrs
    Icecrown Citadel: Professor Putricide

    Blackwing Descent: Omnitron Defense System
    Bastion of Twilight: Ascendant Council
    Firelands: Beth'tilac
    Dragon Soul: Warlord Zon'ozz

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Four Kings
    Heart of Fear: Ambershaper
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Elder Kaolin last in Council.
    Throne of Thunder: Megaera
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Siegecrafter Blackfuse

    Highmaul:Tectus
    Blackrock Foundry:Iron Maidens
    Hellfire Citadel: -

    Emerald Nightmare:Il'gynoth
    Trial of Valor: Odin council
    Nighthold:-
    Tomb of Sargeras:-
    Antorus:-

    Uldir: M.O.T.H.E.R

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    Uldir: M.O.T.H.E.R

    Have you done Fetid mythic?

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    I progressed through all these raids when it was current.

    Molten Core: Garr
    Blackwing Lair: Firemaw
    Zul'Gurub: Jin'do the Hexer by far.
    AQ20: General Rajaxx, the 2nd boss lol.
    AQ40: Twin Emps
    Old Naxx: Four Horsemen

    Karazhan: Shade of Aran
    SSC: Morogrim Tidewalker
    Tempest Keep: A'lar
    Mount Hyjal: Azgalor
    Black Temple: Illidari Council
    Sunwell Plateau: M'uru, and it isnt even close.

    Naxxramas: Thaddius
    Ulduar: Firefighter Mimiron
    TotC: None.
    Icecrown Citadel: Professor Putricide

    Blackwing Descent: Heroic Chimeron 25
    Bastion of Twilight: Heroic Cho'gall 25
    Firelands: Heroic Rhyolith 25
    Dragon Soul: Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Spirit Kings... trying to get the right spawn order... lol.
    Heart of Fear: Amber-Shaper Unsok
    Terrace of Endless Spring: None
    Throne of Thunder: Heroic Dark Animus 25
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Heroic Paragons of the Klaxxi 25

    Highmaul: Enduring it. Really this is the worst raid ever made by far.
    Blackrock Foundry: Mythic Blast Furnace
    Hellfire Citadel: Mythic Magtheridon

    Emerald Nightmare: Mythic Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Mythic Guarm
    Nighthold: Mythic Star Auger
    Tomb of Sargeras: Mythic Fallen Avatar
    Antorus: Mythic Aggramar

    Uldir: Mythic Zul, or enduring such a shit tier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    I progressed through all these raids when it was current.

    Molten Core: Ragnaros. Pretty tight DPS requirement at the time.
    Blackwing Lair: Nefarian . Tight DPS requirement and AoE threat was shitty back then.
    Zul'Gurub: Jin'do the Hexer by far.
    AQ20: General Rajaxx, the 2nd boss lol.
    AQ40: Twin Emps
    Old Naxx: Four Horsemen

    Karazhan: Shade of Aran
    SSC: Morogrim Tidewalker
    Tempest Keep: Kael'thas
    Mount Hyjal: Azgalor
    Black Temple: Illidari Council
    Sunwell Plateau: M'uru, and it isnt even close.

    Naxxramas: Thaddius
    Ulduar: Yogg+0 or Firefighter Mimiron
    TotC: If I had to pick anything, Anub'arak
    Icecrown Citadel: Heroic Lich King

    Blackwing Descent: Heroic Nefarian 25
    Bastion of Twilight: Heroic Cho'gall 25
    Firelands: Heroic Ragnaros 25
    Dragon Soul: Heroic Spine of Deathwing 25

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Spirit Kings... trying to get the right spawn order... lol.
    Heart of Fear: Amber-Shaper Unsok
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Sha of Fear
    Throne of Thunder: Heroic Lei-Shen 25
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Heroic Garrosh hellscream 25

    Highmaul: Enduring it. Really this is the worst raid ever made by far.
    Blackrock Foundry: Mythic Blackhand
    Hellfire Citadel: Mythic Magtheridon

    Emerald Nightmare: Mythic Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Mythic Helya
    Nighthold: Mythic Star Auger
    Tomb of Sargeras: Mythic Kil'Jaeden
    Antorus: Mythic Aggramar

    Uldir: Mythic Zul, or enduring such a shit tier. The P3 burn for Mythic G'huun is pretty nasty though.
    Most of those are end bosses though.

    Anyways my list of the recent raids (WoD to BfA) is
    Highmaul: Butcher
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    HFC: Mannoroth

    Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Odyn
    Nighthold: The plant dude, screw him.
    Tomb of Sargeras: Fallen Avatar
    Antorus: Aggrammar

    Uldir: Fetid Devourer

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    Quote Originally Posted by alosiboy View Post
    Most of those are end bosses though.

    Anyways my list of the recent raids (WoD to BfA) is
    Highmaul: Butcher
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    HFC: Mannoroth

    Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Odyn
    Nighthold: The plant dude, screw him.
    Tomb of Sargeras: Fallen Avatar
    Antorus: Aggrammar

    Uldir: Fetid Devourer
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    Molten Core: Majordomo
    Blackwing Lair: Vael
    Zul'Gurub: Jindo the Hexxer (Hakkar was end boss but people did Jindo last)
    AQ20: Don't remember much of AQ20. Too long ago.
    AQ40: Twins
    Old Naxx: 4 Horsemen

    Karazhan: Shade of Aran
    SSC: Leotheras
    Tempest Keep: Solarion
    Mount Hyjal: Azgalor
    Black Temple: Either Reliquary or Bloodboil
    Sunwell Plateau: M'uru (brutal fight)

    Naxxramas: LOL Naxx
    Ulduar: Mimiron Firefighter (oh god, the memories)
    TotC: meh - Twin Valks maybe.
    Icecrown Citadel: Deathwhisper

    Blackwing Descent: Sinestra
    Bastion of Twilight: Chogall
    Firelands: Bethtilac
    Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: 4 Kings
    Heart of Fear: Bladelord (who designed this stupid dodge ball nonsense)
    Terrace of Endless Spring:
    Throne of Thunder: Durumu
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Blackfuse (PITA)

    Highmaul: Tectus
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    Hellfire Citadel: Gorefiend

    Became casual raider right about here

    Emerald Nightmare:
    Trial of Valor:
    Nighthold:
    Tomb of Sargeras:
    Antorus:

    Uldir: Havent cleared (5/8M). So far I would say Vectis (holy healing batman)
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    We didn't do Mythis, so no knowledge there

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    Uldir: Zul
    Really Zul? With the Zerg method he was super easy, like 3 tries the first time on heroic

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    Uldir: mythrax
    Yeah I agree, he had us stumped for a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Firelands: Heroic Rhyolith 25
    Hmmm? Soft little fleshy things? Nuisances, NUISANCES

    For a few of mine-

    BWD/BoT were my first raids, and I was in a guild that cleared it already so nothing really was a problem in my view, but I do remember Ascendant Council giving some hiccups in BoT.

    Firelands - Alysrazor because people had potato PCs.
    Dragon Soul - Spine is basically Deathwing, but still.

    Mogushen Vault - Four Kings
    Heart of Fear - Ambershaper
    Terrace - uh. Lei Shi?
    Throne of Thunder - screw 10 man Horridon before the nerfs. Otherwise, probably Dark Animus.
    Siege of Orgrimmar - 10H Siegecrafter. Still holds my record for wipes.

    Highmaul - Brackenspore because I hate that fight and I was tanking.
    BRF - Gonna go with Iron Maidens because the risk of people falling asleep.
    HFC - Only got carries through there because I quit for a few months

    Emerald Nightmare - Cenarius (only did up to heroic)
    Trial of Valor - I guess Odyn, only up to heroic again (Mythic before the pre-patch hit for the chosen title/xmog)
    Nighthold - Spellblade was a hiccup part in my raid group at the time (again, only up to heroic with a casual guild, I was planning to only fish in Legion)
    Tomb of Sargeras - Fallen Avatar (heroic)
    Antorus - Mythic Portal Keeper usually gave the most trouble honestly. Coven was cheesed with like 8 locks.

    Uldir - I hate this raid. Mythic Zek is my furthest kill so I'll vote him

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    Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing


    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
    Heart of Fear: Amber Shaper
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Tsulong
    Throne of Thunder: Durumu
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Blackfuse

    Highmaul: Tectus
    Blackrock Foundry: Blast Furnace
    Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth

    Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Odyn
    Nighthold: Botanist
    Tomb of Sargeras: Mistress
    Antorus: Aggramar

    Uldir: Mythrax

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    Quote Originally Posted by cenyx View Post
    following my previous thread about the hardest fight in each raid, it's clear that the majority of the time the end boss is the hardest. so i thought i'd switch it up a little... in YOUR experience, what was the hardest boss for you in each raid, not counting the end boss?

    as before, i'll include a template below (obviously excluding 1/2 boss raids):
    From the perspective of someone whos always done the highest difficulty.
    Molten Core: Core Hound, if the corehound deaths got desynched it became a nightmare to get everyone back on the same page.
    Blackwing Lair: Vael, it was a really strict dps check at the cutting edge.
    Zul'Gurub: Panther was annoying
    AQ20: Moam
    AQ40: Ouro
    Old Naxx: Horseman

    Karazhan: Nightbane
    SSC: Leotheras
    Tempest Keep: Solarian
    Mount Hyjal: PitLord
    Black Temple: RoS/Gorefiend
    Sunwell Plateau: M'uru

    Naxxramas: Loatheb
    Ulduar: (Excluding Alg) Mimmy
    TotC: Faction Champs
    Icecrown Citadel: Putricide

    Blackwing Descent: Maloriak
    Bastion of Twilight: Halfus(actually got really rough with certain drake combos)
    Firelands: Staghelm
    Dragon Soul: Spine

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Kings
    Heart of Fear: Amber-Shaper
    Terrace of Endless Spring: Lei Shi
    Throne of Thunder: Animus
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Klaxxi

    Highmaul: Butcher
    Blackrock Foundry: Thogar
    Hellfire Citadel: Mannoroth

    Emerald Nightmare: Cenarius
    Trial of Valor: Doggo
    Nighthold: Star Augur
    Tomb of Sargeras: Mistress
    Antorus: Coven

    Uldir: Zul(Noncheese strat)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    Old Naxx: I didn't do as current content, but 4 Horsemen was generally accepted to be the worst.
    Can confirm, took like 3-4 weeks of attempts in my guild.

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    Oh, interesting thread, I give my imputs!

    I didn't raid that much and don't remember Vanilla fully to judge it.

    Karazhan: Netherspite
    SSC: Hydross
    Tempest Keep: A'lar
    Mount Hyjal: Kazrogal
    Black Temple: Mother
    Sunwell Plateau: Muru

    Naxxramas: Instructor Raz
    Ulduar: Mimiron
    TotC: Valks
    Icecrown Citadel: Sindragosa

    Blackwing Descent: Magmaw
    Bastion of Twilight: Dragons
    Firelands: Baleroc
    Dragon Soul: Spine of Deathwing

    Mogu'Shan Vaults: Elegon
    Heart of Fear: Fifth Boss (Mind control one, dont know name)
    Terrace of Endless Spring: First boss, council thing
    Throne of Thunder: Dark Animus
    Siege of Orgrimmar: Blackfuse

    Highmaul: Koragh
    Blackrock Foundry: Foundry
    Hellfire Citadel: Iskar

    Emerald Nightmare: Eye
    Trial of Valor: Odin
    Nighthold: Botanists
    Tomb of Sargeras: Trio (boss 5)
    Antorus: Coven

    Uldir: Zek Voz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerathul View Post
    Have you done Fetid mythic?
    No I was in for Taloc and MOTHER the last reset before my subscription ran out, I've understood he's a fair bit harder.

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    i started raiding in legion and only clearing heroic, so a short list

    EN: Eye, because Cenarius was probably the easiest boss to overgear in Legion
    TOV: Odin was the boss with more wipes from my guild in all heroic legion (yeah we suck)
    NH: Botanist was a lot harder than Guldan even pugs keep wiping with TOS heroic gear and was skipped for world tour ap/leg farm
    TOS: Avatar. We have a few week we could not even make kil jaeden progress because we could not re kill avatar. We have a lot of guild drama in those days also.
    Antorus: Coven, fuck coven and the rng of the titans crap.

    Uldir: Zul i guess even with zerg mode was a annoying boss, because messy phase 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigy View Post
    No I was in for Taloc and MOTHER the last reset before my subscription ran out, I've understood he's a fair bit harder.
    Haha to give you an example, we are a 8/8M guild and we still had meme pulls lastnight on Fetid for about 40mins. :'D

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