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    If you create a backdoor for anyone, you create it for everyone and ruin the entire point of the encryption.

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    Wow, another push for nationally segmented internet.

    So now we'll have the great firewall of china, the EU Meme-nazis, and the "australian" botnet when this backdoor goes public about 35 seconds after it's implemented.
    The more we do this the more we destroy the largest singular benefit of the internet existing: connecting everyone.

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    There was this guy in the US, the cops suspected him of having child porn on his PC. The hard drive was encrypted.

    The judge ordered the guy to unlock it. The guy said no, the judge put him in jail for contempt of court. I don't know if the guy ever unlocked his hard drive, but I know judges will usually keep charging you with contempt until you obey the law.

    Not sure what Australia can't do the same unless they want to spy on people, like Muslim extremists for example.

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    It's nice that our elected officials are making laws while having no knowledge about the subject at all.
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    The only good response is for all the relevant companies to effectively remove further access to their software in Australia. Let's see how many days the Australian government can survive that.

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    You'd think when the UK had the entire NHS compromised nationwide due to an exploit like this would send clear signals worldwide that this is a bad idea.

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    Oh, look. More baby-bathwater legislation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    There was this guy in the US, the cops suspected him of having child porn on his PC. The hard drive was encrypted.

    The judge ordered the guy to unlock it. The guy said no, the judge put him in jail for contempt of court. I don't know if the guy ever unlocked his hard drive, but I know judges will usually keep charging you with contempt until you obey the law.
    Actually, it was the judge who wasn't obeying the law. Anyone who claims passwords, etc, aren't protected under the 5th Amendment is objectively wrong.

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    Aw sweetie, I said gun options, reading is hard for you I know. *pat* *pat*
    Which is part of guns. I know, it’s complicated if you think guns are.

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    And once again, our LNP government displays the arrogance and stupidity that have become so emblematic of our country's modern leadership.

    This law is completely absurd, and tech companies will likely call the bluff and ignore it.
    In the event the government actually tries to enforce this, these companies will likely pack up and leave the Australian market entirely, since we're not worth the extra money, effort and security risks.

    The 'criminals and terrorists' this bill purports to target will also simply either implement their own private encryption software, or move their communications to different methods entirely. As usual, this will only hurt law-abiding citizens.

    And once again, our Labor opposition have betrayed the Australian public by forgetting their purpose, and failing to oppose yet another blatant authoritarian powergrab by the LNP. I was chomping at the bit to vote for them next year. Not anymore.
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    Security is a binary property, either you have it or you don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    If you create a backdoor for anyone, you create it for everyone and ruin the entire point of the encryption.



    The more we do this the more we destroy the largest singular benefit of the internet existing: connecting everyone.
    That's kind of my point. These idiots think they can just tell the internet, and by extent the world what to do, when the forces that actually run the internet(facebook, google, etc) can basically just cut them off like a cancerous growth, which then leads to the problem of a segmented internet and the limitation of all of humanity by proxy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kasuke06 View Post
    That's kind of my point. These idiots think they can just tell the internet, and by extent the world what to do, when the forces that actually run the internet(facebook, google, etc) can basically just cut them off like a cancerous growth, which then leads to the problem of a segmented internet and the limitation of all of humanity by proxy.
    That’s actually the least bad outcome. The worst possible outcome would be for these companies to remove encryption from the devices/specific apps. This is a case study to follow with interest.

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    I don't see a problem with this. It just makes jailbreaking iPhones easier.

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    Its meant to only target Pedophiles and terrorist suspects but as others have said it can become a slippery slope.

    There are several amendments put forward by the opposition party that will be passed after the holidays that helps to curb the most overt "surveillance" of this bill but not sure it will be enough.

    It does seem like this one has been rushed by a Government with its own internal problems and shouting the rhetoric of "National Security".

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    Well at least the dundees aren't attacking vidya games this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryme View Post
    Tech illiterate people making tech laws, what could go wrong!
    Indeed. In fact, I'd personally be surprised if anyone could come up with a single point in the history of the world where people making the decisions and passing the laws actually knew jack shit about the subject matter.

    It takes special kind of arrogance and stupidity to think that one is capable enough let alone entitled to lead other people and decide things for them.
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