Well here we go again, Blizzard are stretching that taffy...

[James240]

So what is your solution OP?

Can we scrap BFA and move to the next expac?

[Polarthief]

So what is your solution OP?

Remove Azerite obviously. It's NLC 2.0 and was never intended to actually replace Legendaries, Tier, and Artifacts all at the same time.

TL;DR: They lied.

[Seranthor]

And here we have Seranthor who thinks I should either say only nice things about a failing game, use their official forums to post stuff they still will never read unless I call them out directly by name, or just not sub to the game in which case all my hours of paid-for playing will have been for naught and they'll just continue to ignore my existence.

Does it really matter where I post it? I just wanted to share my thoughts regardless of who cares or not. What people say is, regardless, just their opinions too. Wrong as they may be because of fanboyism or self righteousness... but still.

So what you are saying is you want people to stand back and not challenge you while you carpet bomb the forum with worthless tears, is that your testimony lad?

You seem personally offended that people dont want to march to the beat of your falling tears... why is that lad?

[Kudos]

Can we scrap BFA and move to the next expac?

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, actually.

[oplawlz]

So what you are saying is you want people to stand back and not challenge you while you carpet bomb the forum with worthless tears, is that your testimony lad?

You seem personally offended that people dont want to march to the beat of your falling tears... why is that lad?

Telling people to be silent is not the same as disagreeing with them. You seem to have missed the "discussion" part of discussion forums.

[Kaibhan]

OP is taking this too seriously, time for a break dude.

[Seranthor]

Telling people to be silent is not the same as disagreeing with them. You seem to have missed the "discussion" part of discussion forums.

And you missed the part where he railed against the white knights in his first 2 lines... Not sure about you, but I read that as they want an echo chamber and not a discussion.

[Vantheus]

I really don't like posting my opinions because with this forum the white knights and devil's advocates come out of the woodwork like the maggots they are to chew up any negative feedback for blizz... but here we go.



What is Titan Residuum? It's a random piece of lore they thought up in the last 10 minutes of an afternoon meeting to shoehorn into the game like 80% of current lore. Seriously Blizzard, you could have just added the feature in without insulting us with that stupid name with no basis in the universe whatsoever.



*big sigh* ... Okay, so, instead of giving value to the armor pieces you told us to farm for an absorbent amount of time since launch, SOMETHING / ANYTHING AT ALL, all of it is garbage and worth nothing to us in the scrap crapper. That's really rotten.



So, basically, you have to farm 2 M+? dungeons that drop 415 gear per one piece of azerite gear you actually want, but don't because it's 30 ilvls lower than the content you're farming, and it's not coming out till AFTER your big update patch? HOW IS THAT A SOLUTION TO ANYTHING!? Are you high? Are you -that- asinine? 165 x 4 = 660, and that's +15 which comes from previous scrappings, so that's at least 5 M+? dungeons for a single specific piece of gear!? And to EVENTUALLY farm random / specific gear that's worth anyone's time, that 415 SPECIFIC Azerite gear -PER PIECE- is going to be insanely expensive.

(I tried to do the math but it's late as of this post and I'm not good with advanced maths... came out to something like 12,000+ residuum so no...)



Every TWO OR THREE WEEKS... It'd be funny if it weren't so obviously bad and tragically sad.

So, they introduce a randomly thought-up resource with zero presidence in the lore, that could have potentially fixed your awful, major linchpin of this expansion (azerite gear). You then essentially make all the gear we've EARNED up until this time to be totally useless with this new system + currency. Compounding that you make everyone wait 11 more days to be able to start grinding (GRINDING, mind you) the gear you DO get something out of from really difficult M+ (Which most people I know of don't do because of a toxic, elitist asshat community of M+ dungeon-grinders) and a pittance from the weekly challenge chest. And to top it all off, the prices for gear you ACTUALLY WANT will be at a PREMIUM-premium price x times the amount of random pieces which are still laughably expensive themselves.

So... thanks for nothing Blizz. I hope you like sucking on that big ole fat corporate meatstick from Activision, you spineless puppets.

A M+13 was just soloed, if you can't find four other people and knock out a 15 by now then that's on you not blizzard and no upcoming gear change would fix that for you

[Deleted]

So, they introduce a randomly thought-up resource with zero presidence in the lore, that could have potentially fixed your awful, major linchpin of this expansion (azerite gear). You then essentially make all the gear we've EARNED up until this time to be totally useless with this new system + currency. Compounding that you make everyone wait 11 more days to be able to start grinding (GRINDING, mind you) the gear you DO get something out of from really difficult M+ (Which most people I know of don't do because of a toxic, elitist asshat community of M+ dungeon-grinders) and a pittance from the weekly challenge chest. And to top it all off, the prices for gear you ACTUALLY WANT will be at a PREMIUM-premium price x times the amount of random pieces which are still laughably expensive themselves.

So you are salty because you are forced to farm more then 3 weeks for a BiS item?

But i have two easy solutions for your "toxic, elitist asshat community of M+ dungeon-grinders" problem. Have you heard of about the features called Guilds or Friendlist?

[AnotherJaggens]

I really don't like posting my opinions because with this forum the white knights and devil's advocates come out of the woodwork like the maggots they are to chew up any negative feedback for blizz... but here we go.

System is far from perfect, it needs work, but it's not as bad as you paint it. But it's pointless to argue with you since you've branded me before I've even started, so good day to you and whatever.

[Gaidax]

Before: OMFG Blizz give us currency to purchase gear with.
Blizz: OK.

After: WTF is this shit we have to earn currency and play the game to purchase gear with it? RIOT.
Blizz:...

[SirCowdog]

A M+13 was just soloed, if you can't find four other people and knock out a 15 by now then that's on you not blizzard and no upcoming gear change would fix that for you

Is there a video of that, maybe? I'd like to see how it was done.

[Pyrite13]

Azerite is worse than cancer. I'd rather give every single WoW player cancer than force them to farm a single point of Azerite. Wouldn't you rather have cancer than farm AP?

[Kumorii]

It's almost as if this is a long term solution to having bad luck with drops, like they said.

[un_known]

I really don't like posting my opinions because with this forum the white knights and devil's advocates come out of the woodwork like the maggots they are to chew up any negative feedback for blizz... but here we go.



What is Titan Residuum? It's a random piece of lore they thought up in the last 10 minutes of an afternoon meeting to shoehorn into the game like 80% of current lore. Seriously Blizzard, you could have just added the feature in without insulting us with that stupid name with no basis in the universe whatsoever.



*big sigh* ... Okay, so, instead of giving value to the armor pieces you told us to farm for an absorbent amount of time since launch, SOMETHING / ANYTHING AT ALL, all of it is garbage and worth nothing to us in the scrap crapper. That's really rotten.



So, basically, you have to farm 2 M+? dungeons that drop 415 gear per one piece of azerite gear you actually want, but don't because it's 30 ilvls lower than the content you're farming, and it's not coming out till AFTER your big update patch? HOW IS THAT A SOLUTION TO ANYTHING!? Are you high? Are you -that- asinine? 165 x 4 = 660, and that's +15 which comes from previous scrappings, so that's at least 5 M+? dungeons for a single specific piece of gear!? And to EVENTUALLY farm random / specific gear that's worth anyone's time, that 415 SPECIFIC Azerite gear -PER PIECE- is going to be insanely expensive.

(I tried to do the math but it's late as of this post and I'm not good with advanced maths... came out to something like 12,000+ residuum so no...)



Every TWO OR THREE WEEKS... It'd be funny if it weren't so obviously bad and tragically sad.

So, they introduce a randomly thought-up resource with zero presidence in the lore, that could have potentially fixed your awful, major linchpin of this expansion (azerite gear). You then essentially make all the gear we've EARNED up until this time to be totally useless with this new system + currency. Compounding that you make everyone wait 11 more days to be able to start grinding (GRINDING, mind you) the gear you DO get something out of from really difficult M+ (Which most people I know of don't do because of a toxic, elitist asshat community of M+ dungeon-grinders) and a pittance from the weekly challenge chest. And to top it all off, the prices for gear you ACTUALLY WANT will be at a PREMIUM-premium price x times the amount of random pieces which are still laughably expensive themselves.

So... thanks for nothing Blizz. I hope you like sucking on that big ole fat corporate meatstick from Activision, you spineless puppets.

Wasn’t this announced over a month ago though at blizzcon? All I thought of it at the time of its announcement was a small annoying catchup mechanic

[Nnyco]

considerin we dont know yet how much stuff we get from weekly cache any QQ makes absolutely no sense

[Asrialol]

Any system in the past like Reforging (which was RNG anyway) that gave us some semblance of choice over chance was a good thing. Ion or whoever is responsible for making this game so RNG heavy is incontrovertibly invested in making this game as easy to produce as possible, stretching content to its absolute limits before being forced to move on, and all the while keeping subscription numbers up by any means necessary (even deceptive practices in reporting it). I think I really do understand the value of randomly generated numbers and percentage chance loot dropping but when it's entirely based on mercurial number values that we can't really see and cannot at all change to suit our needs and thus making it worth our investment of time and effort, it's no longer any normal player's idea of fun.

I don't want the game to die. I don't want it to go buy-to-play. I don't want the game to be a boring grind. I don't want disrespect towards the original story and vision of Warcraft and the World of Warcraft. I don't want systems designed solely to keep me grinding for marginally better numbers.

I DO want rich, shaded, complex story and opportunities to RP within it. I do want the game to be successful as it once was by creating social situations that reward you for playing with others, not forcing you to. I do want a crafting system that allows me to enhance the gear that does drop or create my own gear over time that rivals that of story character uniqueness. I do want randomly generated numbers to be bedfellows with player chosen numbers in a balanced way. I want to be able to do things that I find appealing and get rewards that I am specifically after.

I for one enjoy doing things like World Quests, Open World PVP, Story / Campaign Quests, and I even rather enjoyed the crafting quests in Legion despite the numerous stupid drawbacks such as having to do the quests to unlock things. I want to see more stuff in this game that involves me in the world and the story like side storyline quests, world pvp, randomly occurring events like world bosses or environmental changes like snowstorms, hurricanes, thunderstorms and fog. There's SO MUCH they could do with this game and they don't.

When I first heard about the Heart of Azeroth, I immediately thought of the old "Path of the Titans" system and I wanted so much for it to be a new way for player characters to customize their class and create new ways to play it with new talents, passives and buffs. What we got was a stat rock and a reputation that gated our progression. What an awful idea!

Then we get this Azerite Armor which, to be frank is the same disappointment I have with the Heart of Azeroth. It could have been new ways to play our classes, and a testbed for new columns and rows of talents in the next expansion, which I would have been fine with TBPH. Locking progression behind a reputation AND a slowly filling bar of nothing is an absolutely horrible idea.

Need I go on?



My solution? There's so much wrong with the systems in the game, the Blizzard company, the Blizzard developers & community managers / leadership that my solution would be a thesis on how to dismantle the company, start over from scratch and burn the contract with Activision.

Sooo. People didn't complain about loot systems like this in Vanilla, where it could take you 6 months to get a complete tier set. And tier bonuses that were mediocre for one of your specs and useless for the rest.

Reforging was horrible. Annoying as hell to have to use add-ons to make sure my gear got me hit- and expertise capped, haste caps (if any), etc. Ugh. Boring.

Timegating has been in the game since release, it works and won't go anywhere. Being able to progress without any limits is a horrible idea, which I assume you understand.

This thread is horrible. Shitposting, throwing baseless arguments and opinions presented as facts - no actual constructive criticism or actual constructive suggestions to fix the game, which is broken according to your personal opinion.

The game has flaws, but so does the community it seems.

Bashing the company and making claims like dismantling it is just.. immature, obviously fueled by rage (I know, rage for a video game? I guess it's possible, obviously, while ever so peculiar) and not constructive at all.

I guess the thread title didn't exactly give the impression this would be a serious thread. And I'm not exactly expecting a constructive reply, if any, but it would be refreshing and perhaps a chance for the thread to become a useful discussion.

[Lightup]

So anyone who disagrees with you, is obviously a Blizzard white knight? Is that what you're saying with that opening argument?

Not going to argue for the Azerite system personally, since I don't care either way. But if you're hoping for a discussion (why else be on a discussion forum?) that's probably not the best way to open a post.

As a side note (again, not something worth actually debating, but I thought I'd ask)... Where'd this notion come from that everything 'bad' thought up has been last minute? Even bad ideas can be in the making for an entire year, I mean look at Fortnite.

You are the defenition of human cancer fuck off and go back to sucking blizzard dick quietly

[HumbleDuck]

It would have been nice if you could put sometime into making sure your post is coherent.

[Orby]

I miss the way old WotLK, TBC loot system but I am willing to give this new thing a chance before I complain about it.