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    BFA biggest issues for collectors.

    First of all mods, feel free to move the thread to a better sub forum if need be.

    This thread I make now, goes over points I dont like about BFA from a collectors POV, which is yes, not many of us (Honestly, in WOD it was only like 50.000 players in WoW who truely grinds a lot....wonder what that number is now) is still a part of wow's playerbase.

    1. A lot of worldquest this time is bound to achivements. Lucky addons like worldquestachiver helps on this, but its still stupid to keep achivements on RNG waiting. Legion also did this quit a bit, but BFA is even more - Also new once in 8.1! And many of them even...

    2. With BFA I had hoped they adressed vicisous saddeles, and in general made PvP more....Friendly, to all players. I dont know why I thought they would do this, but I did.

    3. The "Tour" achivements for conquer of Azeroth screams win-trading, and every time I see somebody on the mount I check their achivement dates, and many times its win-traded aka they did the kills on same day for many of the achivements. I have 1 zone done so far...Been slacking sure, still avoid win-trading achivements, cause WE WILL win-trade with these systems...Think about bloodthirsty title.

    4. Allied races. Why did all these things have their own achivement? You seriously want collectors to re-level classes they already have at 110?

    5. Hord and alliance - SO MANY rewards are hord or alliance, aka I haft to play hord to get many of the rewards in BFA and vice versa if you are on hord. This is poor design forcing people to play faction they dont care about or loss out on many toys, mounts and what not else...Oh and allied races achivements etc.

    6. Island exspendetions. While 8.1 is a good change, its still a clusterfuck. Island has crap tons of rewards and achivements. Its the longest grind in BFA by far, getting all the items and achivements is....well Why over-do it like this and add RNG on it`?

    7. 400 mounts. Lets be real here, just give us a 450 or 500.

    8. General things like warfront achivements, and other areas having RNG achivements you cant controle.

    9. I feel there is a bit many gold sink mounts in BFA - This is maybe OK, but even as a AH player who makes plenty of gold, I find it a bit much.


    Thats about all I wanted to mention. Keen to know the few people who reads the threads and also collects stuff in wow who will care about this :P And add your own issues why not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuntas View Post
    7. 400 mounts. Lets be real here, just give us a 450 or 500.
    Yeah, sure. There's no way you have 450.

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    All points are spot on I have been collecting everything there pretty much is ever since I started, but this expansion has really burnt me out.

    Island expeditions in it's current iteration aren't meant to be finished which outrageous and all those allied races that have to be leveled even though most collectors have all classes at lvl 110.

    As for mounts, toys ans pets on each faction, I remember when blizzard made it so mounts had a equivalent for the other faction, why is it so hard to make it like that...

    I dont mind grinding at all but seeing people do 2000 islands without having even close to all the rewards is insane and makes me not even want to bother.

    I've always enjoyed wow and collecting stuff in it, but this expansion feels more like a full time job than a game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eolthedarkelf View Post
    Yeah, sure. There's no way you have 450.
    This was more a long-term goal. In BFA they added many new mounts, 400 become a bit to easy even for me.
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    My main gripes are the Island Expedition mounts (Which are being made less painful with the treasure maps) and the Warmode mount. I hate Warmode with a passion, so I'm going to have to find a wintrade group at some point to finish that stupid achievement.

    It wouldn't be so bad if the weekly quest gave 250 honor to the zone the quest was based around instead of the zone you handed it in.

    Quote Originally Posted by eolthedarkelf View Post
    Yeah, sure. There's no way you have 450.
    I had 425ish by the time I quit. 450 doesn't seem unreachable.

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    you are not wrong.. it got so out of hand with it all i just stopped once learned I couldn't keep up without a lot of work i see oh well and became super causal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cuafpr View Post
    you are not wrong.. it got so out of hand with it all i just stopped once learned I couldn't keep up without a lot of work i see oh well and became super causal.
    Yes, I hate that fact. To keep up it seems to be harder every exspansion. Legion had class mounts aka level all classes to 110 + do 25 hours gametime on teach or so...maybe less.
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    Mounts/Pets/Toys are rewarded to many different parts of the Game for varying Difficulties/Time use/Activities.

    If you want to be a hardcore Collector you have to deal with it. If you just want everything easy and done quickly collecting isn't for you. Since complaining you can't get everything easily is inane, as many of the rewards are done to feel rewarding for people who put in the effort/time into that exact part of the game.

    So basically do the content/spend the time getting the things you want. if you want to do neither don't be a collector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Mounts/Pets/Toys are rewarded to many different parts of the Game for varying Difficulties/Time use/Activities.

    If you want to be a hardcore Collector you have to deal with it. If you just want everything easy and done quickly collecting isn't for you. Since complaining you can't get everything easily is inane, as many of the rewards are done to feel rewarding for people who put in the effort/time into that exact part of the game.

    So basically do the content/spend the time getting the things you want. if you want to do neither don't be a collector.
    Yes, and Id hate to haft to go down that path. Ive been able to keep up by cutting out some farms like the most insane mounts, toys grinds and also not doing any pet stuff at all (Even sold all my pets in WOD!), but BFA made it quit hard so far. Legion basicly just had the level thing and doing class hall or so.
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    I want an Achievement for 4.000.000 gold looted. I did it, so it is possible to achieve.

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    They keep adding stuff, so people keep playing longer then 1 week per patch.

    To me, I loved collecting when I came back in Legion after a 3+ year break.

    But since I quit before already (which broke the cycle of keeping up with each patch for 9+ years) , and seen other MMORPG's shut down I tend to have less attachment to virtual/digital items anymore.

    I'd never get something like a Store Mount either when I enjoy collecting things IRL instead too.
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    Lot of mounts/pets/toys to is not an issue for collectors. It is issue for completionists.

    And WoW is not game for impatient completionist. It's not Overwatch when you can just throw shit ton of money to Blizzard and get all stuff day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Lot of mounts/pets/toys to is not an issue for collectors. It is issue for completionists.

    And WoW is not game for impatient completionist. It's not Overwatch when you can just throw shit ton of money to Blizzard and get all stuff day 1.
    Whats the difference between either? I dont see your point.

    Another thing I also could hit on, since comment above you goes into it a bit; You need to play every exspansion or certain things gets impossible hard to do later on, or are removed. Good example of something hard...just a minor stupid thing...Garrison bosses you summon, hard to get all bosses killed for achivement now if you werent active in WOD.

    Also...Jesus the medals in 8.1. You need farm 20-30 weeks to get all the stuff at this low rate. Same as dubloons from islands that also goes very slow.
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    The biggest issue is how mounts are rewarded. You used to be able to grind to a reward. Now, everything is RNG based or Gold-Sinks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuntas View Post
    Whats the difference between either? I dont see your point.

    Another thing I also could hit on, since comment above you goes into it a bit; You need to play every exspansion or certain things gets impossible hard to do later on, or are removed. Good example of something hard...just a minor stupid thing...Garrison bosses you summon, hard to get all bosses killed for achivement now if you werent active in WOD.

    Also...Jesus the medals in 8.1. You need farm 20-30 weeks to get all the stuff at this low rate. Same as dubloons from islands that also goes very slow.
    A collector is anyone with a collection. He himself determines what he wants to collect, or not. A collector is also happy just to see his collection grow.

    A completionist will strive to get anything in a specific field he can get his hands on, and aims to collect everything. Completionists usually are not happy until their collection is complete.

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    2. With BFA I had hoped they adressed vicisous saddeles, and in general made PvP more....Friendly, to all players. I dont know why I thought they would do this, but I did.



    5. Hord and alliance - SO MANY rewards are hord or alliance, aka I haft to play hord to get many of the rewards in BFA and vice versa if you are on hord. This is poor design forcing people to play faction they dont care about or loss out on many toys, mounts and what not else...Oh and allied races achivements etc.


    7. 400 mounts. Lets be real here, just give us a 450 or 500.


    9. I feel there is a bit many gold sink mounts in BFA - This is maybe OK, but even as a AH player who makes plenty of gold, I find it a bit much.
    I am a collector myself and I love that most about the game, but most of your points are just stupid and whiney. I left the ones that are real issues.

    2. They MADE THE FREAKING GLADIATOR MOUNTS easier. What else do you need? Do you have any gladiator mounts? I doubt so, nobody does, but now people can actually get them.

    5. This is a realy issue, and it only deepened with the new paragon rewards. Not only I had to lvl a horde character and had to hit revered with all factions, I also need to hit exalted and do stupid paragons? I won't be bothered

    7. And 500 toys, I mean, there aren't 500 toys in the game, but I hit the 400 achiev and I need another progress.

    9. Most new stuff mount/pet grinding can be bypassed by throwing amounts of gold at it. All the zone drop mounts, the fishing mount, Hivemind, expedition pets, and then they add a frog mounts for 1mil gold? Fuck off blizz, not everyone has the gold, we already spend all of our gold on previous mounts.

    EDIT: my points. Freaking Seafarrer's Dobloons vendor. Why? I can't but the OP consumables anymore, because I need to save my precious dubloons on mounts and pets. Why add this? Why not add a different currency? It makes the consumables vendors totally useless.

    ALso, give us more mounts to work towards instead of this stupif RNG fest. Getting a work toward mount is great feeling of accomplishment. Getting a RNG mount is a feeling of relief. Like me running Throne of Four Winds 263 times before I got the stupid mount. And then getting the Mimiron mount on my second try? That's ridiculous. If both of them were fixed at 100 runs, I would be miles happier.
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    I finished collecting all of the Ally BFA pets via pet medals last week, that was aids. I personally don't have many gripes about collecting things in BFA (obvs IE is one), its same shit different day, i just wish the system was updated/changed. My biggest issue is trying to collect Tmogs from old dungeons, even with Legacy loot the drop % of some items is simply atrocious, i did about +30runs of Utgarde Keep to get the 2h axe

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    I finished collecting all of the Ally BFA pets via pet medals last week, that was aids. I personally don't have many gripes about collecting things in BFA (obvs IE is one), its same shit different day, i just wish the system was updated/changed. My biggest issue is trying to collect Tmogs from old dungeons, even with Legacy loot the drop % of some items is simply atrocious, i did about +30runs of Utgarde Keep to get the 2h axe
    oh haha the pet charms? Like not getting a world quest that rewards you with pet charms for a week? That's complete bonkers. I still have 2/3 of the pets to get, and I fear I will complete that somewhere after the next expansion ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by det View Post
    Is that so? The Yak and spider were gold sinks. Arthas Mount, Mimiron's head, Rivendare's, the Zulian tiger...seems there were RNG Based mounts forever. I'd say it always has been some mix of it and still is. No idea how far your "used to be able" goes back though?
    There were a small amount of RNG mounts based out of difficult content (random reward on top of performing well). Now you just spam run easy island expeditions in the hopes that maybe the mount you want will drop; not exactly the same. Paying a lot of gold for something usually brought utility in the past; forking over enough g for an epic mount gave you faster riding, for example. Mists started the big money mounts, but still the yak actually had utility, and the current bronto does too but at an outrageous cost. Now mostly it's situations like pay 500,000g for a different colored direhorn with zero utility to try and drive up gold-buying micro-transactions from Blizzard.

    One example of how this is trash is how they just introduced three frog mounts. Cool mounts, would be great to earn them. Oh, sorry you just buy them with gold. No content associated despite there being a frog loa in Nazmir. There could be some rep, some scenarios, an achievement, hell even some islands, maybe a dungeon, whatever, but no it's just buy this mount with your real money you losers. Blizz these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eolthedarkelf View Post
    Yeah, sure. There's no way you have 450.
    I have close to 500, it's not impossible in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dracullus View Post
    Lot of mounts/pets/toys to is not an issue for collectors. It is issue for completionists.

    And WoW is not game for impatient completionist. It's not Overwatch when you can just throw shit ton of money to Blizzard and get all stuff day 1.
    Kinda the reason I gave up WoW for Overwatch! The collectibles in WoW are way, way, way too time consuming to collect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djuntas View Post
    First of all mods, feel free to move the thread to a better sub forum if need be.

    This thread I make now, goes over points I dont like about BFA from a collectors POV, which is yes, not many of us (Honestly, in WOD it was only like 50.000 players in WoW who truely grinds a lot....wonder what that number is now) is still a part of wow's playerbase.

    1. A lot of worldquest this time is bound to achivements. Lucky addons like worldquestachiver helps on this, but its still stupid to keep achivements on RNG waiting. Legion also did this quit a bit, but BFA is even more - Also new once in 8.1! And many of them even...

    2. With BFA I had hoped they adressed vicisous saddeles, and in general made PvP more....Friendly, to all players. I dont know why I thought they would do this, but I did.

    3. The "Tour" achivements for conquer of Azeroth screams win-trading, and every time I see somebody on the mount I check their achivement dates, and many times its win-traded aka they did the kills on same day for many of the achivements. I have 1 zone done so far...Been slacking sure, still avoid win-trading achivements, cause WE WILL win-trade with these systems...Think about bloodthirsty title.

    4. Allied races. Why did all these things have their own achivement? You seriously want collectors to re-level classes they already have at 110?

    5. Hord and alliance - SO MANY rewards are hord or alliance, aka I haft to play hord to get many of the rewards in BFA and vice versa if you are on hord. This is poor design forcing people to play faction they dont care about or loss out on many toys, mounts and what not else...Oh and allied races achivements etc.

    6. Island exspendetions. While 8.1 is a good change, its still a clusterfuck. Island has crap tons of rewards and achivements. Its the longest grind in BFA by far, getting all the items and achivements is....well Why over-do it like this and add RNG on it`?

    7. 400 mounts. Lets be real here, just give us a 450 or 500.

    8. General things like warfront achivements, and other areas having RNG achivements you cant controle.

    9. I feel there is a bit many gold sink mounts in BFA - This is maybe OK, but even as a AH player who makes plenty of gold, I find it a bit much.


    Thats about all I wanted to mention. Keen to know the few people who reads the threads and also collects stuff in wow who will care about this :P And add your own issues why not.


    I agree, but Legion was the collectors nightmare, not BFA.

    Paragon Mounts made collectors suicidal.
    Prestige level 25 mount, gave up after prestige 5, was inhumane to grind.
    10k World Quests complete. Holy hell, I was bored to death after 100. At 2k now...
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