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  1. #321
    I like how this thread started with OP admitting he started ninja pulling at some point without COMMUNICATING with the tank/dpsers about it and complains he got kicked.

    Then others saying that OPs experience wouldn't have happened in Vanilla. Say what ? Ninja pulling was the quickest way to get booted from the group in Vanilla, on par with ninja looting.

    Anyway, bringing back Vanilla won't magically fix the community, corrupted by instant gratification of current day games and general toxicity on the internet.
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  2. #322
    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Some of the biggest assholes I have met were raiding guilds. Personality had and will have nothing to do with it. If you are geared you will easily pug. People don't care if you rescue dogs or treat everyone with respect. They care about what you have equipped. Period.
    Depends on what you choose to do in game.

  3. #323
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Please provide any kind of proof of this bold claim.
    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ay-22/179883/1

    The method in which people are invited from the opt-in pool is not on a first-come-first-served basis, but instead we look at a variety of factors such as the age of the account
    Instead of sperging out on MMO-C why don't you run off back to retail, leave Classic to the intelligent adults.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad586 View Post
    Anyway, bringing back Vanilla won't magically fix the community, corrupted by instant gratification of current day games and general toxicity on the internet.
    Oh damn, you bolded the text, it must be true.

    No but seriously, if it doesn't fix the community it will be because of retailers bringing their shitty instant gratification participation trophy philosophy into Classic. We've already seen on the beta how awesome it is when playing with like-minded people.

  4. #324
    Quote Originally Posted by arkanon View Post
    Interesting. You laughed at those actively attempting to form groups, but didnt consider yourselves nerds? and didnt consider yourselves to be part of the problem?
    We laughed at people's inability to communicate. People unable to say "hi" in a group complaining they couldn't get people to join them. What a surprise.

  5. #325
    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
    https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wo...ay-22/179883/1



    Instead of sperging out on MMO-C why don't you run off back to retail, leave Classic to the intelligent adults.

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    Oh damn, you bolded the text, it must be true.

    No but seriously, if it doesn't fix the community it will be because of retailers bringing their shitty instant gratification participation trophy philosophy into Classic. We've already seen on the beta how awesome it is when playing with like-minded people.
    Quit it with the sarcasm.

    You claim to be an "intelligent adult" when replying to arkanon, yet you're calling people playing retail WoW "retailers". I'd suggest a refresher what "retailer" actually means.

    And no, Classic will not fix community. Saying it will is like saying a time capsule from the 70's will undo cultural changes that happened over almost 50 years (as an example).

    Years passed, community changed. Times change.

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  6. #326
    Quote Originally Posted by Murthag View Post
    As I sai LFR is irrilevant, becouse the encounters in LFR lacks major mechanics present in the fight, and as a result the reward is lower compered to mythic, which is the difficulty where encounters are designed for.

    So no this is the same slimmrey slope argument that you "vetars" use to defend yourself while you have no argument to the subject
    Yes i know there are extra mechanics. And? So i should spend hours upon hours learning my class, enncounters, schelude my life, farm consumables or spens lot of gold on them for 1 or 2 new mechanics? And 15 extra itemlvl really isnt that big of deal compared to effort what i would have to put into mythic raiding. When Mythic will be only difficulty in the game i will start raiding again. I used to raid to see content and get gear i dont have to do that anymore so i wont. Byt i cant wait to raid in classic becouse i want to experince those instances and becouse there is no LFR i have to go for that 1 difficulty. In classic you do raiding or you dont get to see content and thata how it should be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad586 View Post
    Quit it with the sarcasm.

    You claim to be an "intelligent adult" when replying to arkanon, yet you're calling people playing retail WoW "retailers". I'd suggest a refresher what "retailer" actually means.

    And no, Classic will not fix community. Saying it will is like saying a time capsule from the 70's will undo cultural changes that happened over almost 50 years (as an example).

    Years passed, community changed. Times change.
    Community is shaped by game desing and if you would actualy play beta or any private server you would know that community act same way as 15y ago. No players hasnt changed. Games did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munkeyinorbit View Post
    Mythic raiding is the only thing worth doing for the gear. All other content is obsolete. It's more likely that terrible players can't break into mythic raiding. Because they are terrible. People shouldn't pretend there are any other barriers.
    Let me see 400+ gear for facerolling 4 world q or 415 doing mythic raiding hmmm. Hmmmm. 15 itemlvls hmmm. I think i will pass. 15 itemlvls for 1000% more effort really isnt worth it.

  7. #327
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Do players have to do mythic+? No they can just join easy mods and finish game there. Nobady cares about artificial difficulty sliders for content what they have alredy done. There wont be any community if your game will have accessible content. Never. And yes even players whar do not want communicate should be forced becouse this is mmorpg and not some single player arpg.
    And even if they do mythic plus. "NEED 400 iLEVEL OR HIGHER TO DO A MYTHIC 6". Or hell needing to be mythic geared to get into a normal raid level.

    I honestly can't wait for classic. I want this cancerous culture gone. I really hope this gear score shit doesn't infect classic.

  8. #328
    The game didnt change, people did.

    LFR and Random dungeon merely brought a way for antisocial people to do pve, the test still communicate to build groups.

    With those gone in classic, antisocial people wont do pve nd the communication is limited to what it is in m+ today

  9. #329
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostile View Post
    The game didnt change, people did.

    LFR and Random dungeon merely brought a way for antisocial people to do pve, the test still communicate to build groups.

    With those gone in classic, antisocial people wont do pve nd the communication is limited to what it is in m+ today
    Vanilla dungeons dont have that time restriction though

  10. #330
    Quote Originally Posted by Nzx View Post
    Anyone who thinks this is actually going to happen is dreaming. Classic isn't a time machine. Online communities have irreversibly changed since 2004 and if you believe that Classic is not going to be overwhelmed with streamers and their obsessive legion of 14 year old fans spamming "pepega" and "4head" at every turn you are kidding yourself.
    classic will eliminate this kind of behavior

  11. #331
    Quote Originally Posted by tankbug View Post
    If he doesn't care for the mechanics of the fight, and is more interested in the dungeon level, enemies, what bosses are and do, the story and general lore, his point it still valid.
    And every aspect of it its still tied to mythic.

    You can meet certain enemy only on the harder difficulty.

    Even for a lore standpoint. If you don't beat the keepers of ulduar on hard mode you cannot face algalon. If you did not beat Cho'gal in HC on twilight bastion sinestra would still be alive. Ragnanor was killed by the raid with the aid of Cenarius, Malfurion and Hamul (in normal he goes back in his lava pool saying "too soon). The Sha of fear was beaten in his realm. Ra Den would have not been freed if you don't beat HC lei shen.... And there are still more examples is valid only if applied to mythic.


    You beat the content only if you do it in mythic
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  12. #332
    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Community is shaped by game desing and if you would actualy play beta or any private server you would know that community act same way as 15y ago. No players hasnt changed. Games did.
    Oh yeah, judging the state of community by looking at a small sample of players who got into beta or played on private servers.

    I'm sorry, but you're delusional thinking it's the game design that is shaping community. Just look at other communities linked to other games (DOTA2, LoL, CS - to name a few), became toxic AF at one point. And those games barely changed since release.

    Games change because their players change. Players swarm the latest Flavor of game modes and developers change their games accordingly.
    That's why we have so many battle royal games right now.
    That's why we had so many zombie shooters not so long ago.

    Claiming the toxic element won't be present in Classic is ridiculous. It's always been there, be it Vanilla, TBC, WotLK or any other expansion.
    Why there are stories of Ninja Pullers ? Stories about "evil" GMs "abusing" master looter ?

    I remember a player in Vanilla lashing out at me in whispers for daring to post something in general chat (when it wasn't even remotely offensive or linked to him), only to be taken down a peg when mentioning his attitude can get him banned if I wanted to report it.

    What I don't remember are those mythical discussions in party chat when running dungeons, in pugs. The only time something like that was taking place was when the group was still waiting for that last player to complete the group and it all stopped once all players were inside.

    Anyway, back to what you posted - don't judge how entire community will behave basing it on the small sample of playerbase that just couldn't let go of the old times.
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  13. #333
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    this is a myth.

    cant wait for it to be demolished by how people will behave when classic comes out

    unless you belive that you as no name player will have the same experience as streamers with 20 drones following them 24/7 feeding them gear and boosting them through instances

    if you do belive that - oh boy you are in for a real shock
    Not my experience from playing P servers for years, I havent been on one that did not have more communication and colaboration between strangers as a base line than Ive had the last 6 years of retail. Hell I chat with more strangers within an hour on a P server than Ive done since MOP on retail. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rad586 View Post
    Oh yeah, judging the state of community by looking at a small sample of players who got into beta or played on private servers.

    I'm sorry, but you're delusional thinking it's the game design that is shaping community. Just look at other communities linked to other games (DOTA2, LoL, CS - to name a few), became toxic AF at one point. And those games barely changed since release.

    Games change because their players change. Players swarm the latest Flavor of game modes and developers change their games accordingly.
    That's why we have so many battle royal games right now.
    That's why we had so many zombie shooters not so long ago.

    Claiming the toxic element won't be present in Classic is ridiculous. It's always been there, be it Vanilla, TBC, WotLK or any other expansion.
    Why there are stories of Ninja Pullers ? Stories about "evil" GMs "abusing" master looter ?

    I remember a player in Vanilla lashing out at me in whispers for daring to post something in general chat (when it wasn't even remotely offensive or linked to him), only to be taken down a peg when mentioning his attitude can get him banned if I wanted to report it.

    What I don't remember are those mythical discussions in party chat when running dungeons, in pugs. The only time something like that was taking place was when the group was still waiting for that last player to complete the group and it all stopped once all players were inside.

    Anyway, back to what you posted - don't judge how entire community will behave basing it on the small sample of playerbase that just couldn't let go of the old times.
    You forget 1 crucial thing! on any of the games youve mentioned bad behaviour have no consequence! on Classic or P servers it does, no one wants to play with aholes! Its as simple as that, and on Classic you will be called out be the community, just like you do on P servers. Good luck to ya moving forward then.

  14. #334
    Quote Originally Posted by rad586 View Post
    Oh yeah, judging the state of community by looking at a small sample of players who got into beta or played on private servers.

    I'm sorry, but you're delusional thinking it's the game design that is shaping community. Just look at other communities linked to other games (DOTA2, LoL, CS - to name a few), became toxic AF at one point. And those games barely changed since release.

    Games change because their players change. Players swarm the latest Flavor of game modes and developers change their games accordingly.
    That's why we have so many battle royal games right now.
    That's why we had so many zombie shooters not so long ago.

    Claiming the toxic element won't be present in Classic is ridiculous. It's always been there, be it Vanilla, TBC, WotLK or any other expansion.
    Why there are stories of Ninja Pullers ? Stories about "evil" GMs "abusing" master looter ?

    I remember a player in Vanilla lashing out at me in whispers for daring to post something in general chat (when it wasn't even remotely offensive or linked to him), only to be taken down a peg when mentioning his attitude can get him banned if I wanted to report it.

    What I don't remember are those mythical discussions in party chat when running dungeons, in pugs. The only time something like that was taking place was when the group was still waiting for that last player to complete the group and it all stopped once all players were inside.

    Anyway, back to what you posted - don't judge how entire community will behave basing it on the small sample of playerbase that just couldn't let go of the old times.
    I don't think I've ever met anyone claiming the toxic element won't be present in vanilla.

  15. #335
    Quote Originally Posted by Stormwolf64 View Post
    Yes, people will adapt, but only because the worst players won't really stick around for long. Well, that's what i think anyway.
    Seems like community wise, the worst of the players are leading the charge. The amount of toxic hubris sprayed by the 'influencers' and their sycophants is in fact a major turnoff. Same here on MMO-C, where the rabid Classic fanboys are the most socially callous cream of the crop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathr View Post
    no one wants to play with aholes!
    Seriously? YouTube, Twitch, have you heard of it. Seems like the bigger the asshole the more rabid fans he gets.

  16. #336
    Quote Originally Posted by HuxNeva View Post
    Seems like community wise, the worst of the players are leading the charge. The amount of toxic hubris sprayed by the 'influencers' and their sycophants is in fact a major turnoff. Same here on MMO-C, where the rabid Classic fanboys are the most socially callous cream of the crop.

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    Seriously? YouTube, Twitch, have you heard of it. Seems like the bigger the asshole the more rabid fans he gets.
    Who cares about them

  17. #337
    Quote Originally Posted by HuxNeva View Post
    Seems like community wise, the worst of the players are leading the charge. The amount of toxic hubris sprayed by the 'influencers' and their sycophants is in fact a major turnoff. Same here on MMO-C, where the rabid Classic fanboys are the most socially callous cream of the crop.

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    Seriously? YouTube, Twitch, have you heard of it. Seems like the bigger the asshole the more rabid fans he gets.
    Then your definition of aholes are different than mine. I dont care about streamers or what not, and they do not affect my game in any shape or form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elias01 View Post
    Yes i know there are extra mechanics. And? So i should spend hours upon hours learning my class, enncounters, schelude my life, farm consumables or spens lot of gold on them for 1 or 2 new mechanics? And 15 extra itemlvl really isnt that big of deal compared to effort what i would have to put into mythic raiding. When Mythic will be only difficulty in the game i will start raiding again. I used to raid to see content and get gear i dont have to do that anymore so i wont. Byt i cant wait to raid in classic becouse i want to experince those instances and becouse there is no LFR i have to go for that 1 difficulty. In classic you do raiding or you dont get to see content and thata how it should be.

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    Community is shaped by game desing and if you would actualy play beta or any private server you would know that community act same way as 15y ago. No players hasnt changed. Games did.

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    Let me see 400+ gear for facerolling 4 world q or 415 doing mythic raiding hmmm. Hmmmm. 15 itemlvls hmmm. I think i will pass. 15 itemlvls for 1000% more effort really isnt worth it.
    Is it safe for me to say that you think that by making content inaccessible that you think it encourages players to step up and get better? I mean thanks to LFR you can have raids that look great and are all unique, but i mean if you want raids to be all asset reuses then by all means. Not to mention when players cant see content they quit as well, so you can have your unique experience but you will be playing with a much small game.

  19. #339
    Only communication you'll need is the basic "LF1M RFD". The instances in classic aren't hard enough to warrant communication. Look at what people do on a regular basis in WoW live. Mythic+ don't require communication till you get higher up in the difficulty.

    Everyone can get on discord servers now, so you typically won't even need communication for pvp in game anymore.
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  20. #340
    Quote Originally Posted by WowClassic View Post
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    Instead of sperging out on MMO-C why don't you run off back to retail, leave Classic to the intelligent adults.

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    Oh damn, you bolded the text, it must be true.

    No but seriously, if it doesn't fix the community it will be because of retailers bringing their shitty instant gratification participation trophy philosophy into Classic. We've already seen on the beta how awesome it is when playing with like-minded people.
    thing is, there wil certainly be more players on live than in the beta and lots of those people will be assholes. because the game is full of them. and classic will be free.

    enjoy.

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