Will Classic bring back player communication?

[Deleted]

Pointless question because i never made that statement.
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Yes, you did.
You brought up your own guild as an example.
And now, that this nonsense has been thoroughly debunked as nothing but anecdotal sillyness, you try to backpaddle from it.

As I said, this discussion does not have a fruitful future, but if you intend to continue it, just so you can put on a sad display of backpaddling and making weak excuses, I wont stop you.

[Qnubi]

I joined a group as healer last night. Got bumped off a ledge and accidentally made a few extra pulls, but healed through it and we survived. Quipped a few jokes, apologized, literally nothing from the other four players.

After a couple bosses I pulled some extra packs while we were clearing. Nobodies health was dropping, we were aoe dpsing anyway, and we were all sub 120. Still no issues clearing, but tank starts complaining and other dps start yelling at me and talking about how stupid I am, special needs, etc etc. Then I’m like “this is the first time you guys say anything and it’s this?” Some complaints about state of the game, and they kick me.

We were almost at the last boss at this point. The group knows they can easily pick up another healer from LFD. They don’t give two shits about my time lost missing out on the final bonus exp and it doesn’t hurt them at all.

Will we ACTUALLY get back to people communicating with each other in Classic?

Groups will be harder to form and replacements will take travel time not to mention just finding someone. These same people would probably have preferred to work it out with me instead of kicking. Hell, I didn’t pull anymore after they said stop. I was just discussing why I thought the extra pulls made sense and they kicked me...

You could argue that these people would never have grouped with me in the first place but forget that argument. Suppose they DID group with me and same scenario came up.

I think either Classic DOES bring back tighter community that’s more willing to engage meaningfully with each other or it ends up falling flat and becoming just another desolate playground for those happy to piddle around with original wow either solo or with a tight group of friends.

Yes, in Classic they would have not dared to kick you out, the hassle of teleporting back or abandoning the dungeon altogether would have protected you. Humans do NOT behave if they are not forced to. That's why everything needs to be regulated and watched with laws and rules. The majority of humanity would go rampart the second there are no repercussions to their cruel actions and words.

If you build an environment such as LFD where you can randomly kick someone for no reason and get a replacement instantly abuse will happen plenty of times. The numbers of unjustified kicks must be insane, most don't bother complaining about it.

[Savagedragn]

The loot council discussion is going a bit off topic. Maybe you guys should make a new thread related to how loot will be handled in Classic =)

[Rampant Rabbit]

It should... LFD/R doesn't exist in Classic - as far as I know - and that's one of the reasons it disappeared. I think cross-realm also added to this, but at that time, communities were still a thing, and it emboldened server pride for a brief time.

[Xirrohon]

I doubt it. Look at how things are IRL. Nobody talks to anyone anymore. People go out, get on their phone and never talk to anyone around them. The other day I was waiting in line at Chipotle, it was maybe 20 or so people all of them looking at their phones. Never looked at anyone or talked to anyone else. Classic isnt going to fix that. Even with retail, a lot of the problem is also with the community. It may just be that MMOs cant work because society is no longer interactive with each other.

[Savagedragn]

Look at all that talking!

Exactly this.

I do believe it’s a common misconception that cell phones have suddenly made people stop talking to each other.

[Deleted]

I doubt it. Look at how things are IRL. Nobody talks to anyone anymore. People go out, get on their phone and never talk to anyone around them. The other day I was waiting in line at Chipotle, it was maybe 20 or so people all of them looking at their phones. Never looked at anyone or talked to anyone else. Classic isnt going to fix that. Even with retail, a lot of the problem is also with the community. It may just be that MMOs cant work because society is no longer interactive with each other.

"Hello Miss, I see you're waiting here in line with me. Wanna talk about your kids or something?"

Yeah, I wonder how that conversation would go.
Likely, it'll involve a can of pepperspray and a restraining order at some point.

[Orby]

A lot of the way early WoW was constructed was that it forced you into that communication state. If that will translate over to us now who knows, maybe some of it will, I don't expect it to be as exactly as communicative as it was.

[Elidan456]

they will try to start them for sure - but knowing how toxic people are those runs will be "lfm MC everything reserved"

gl pugging in classic this will end well for sure.

My server had weekly MC Friday pug for alts back in Vanilla. Shit was faster than my guild MC clear because people were actually there to clear the instance and not be AFK auto attacking shit head hunters.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing for BWL and other instances.

[Donald Hellscream]

Probably, people will still be bags of dicks though, they were dicks back then and they will be dicks now.

I honestly have more negative memories of pugging in Vanilla than I do positive, whether thats because we as humans tend to remember negative experiences better than positive I don't know, but I do know that I had plenty of negative experiences with people in Vanilla.
People like to say that such people will be blacklisted and never be invited into groups but thats bullshit.

[tankbug]

Communication will come back as we'll have downtime on flightpaths, mana breaks, corpse runs etc.

To be honest, I think that's alt+tab time.

[Astalnar]

No, because most of the people who played back then, are gone, and are not coming back.

[vashe9]

The answer is NO.
The only thing you need to get this back is a Dolorean that can go 88mph

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To be honest, I think that's alt+tab time.

or alt f4 actually

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My server had weekly MC Friday pug for alts back in Vanilla. Shit was faster than my guild MC clear because people were actually there to clear the instance and not be AFK auto attacking shit head hunters.

I really wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing for BWL and other instances.

At the end of vanilla, I cleaned BWL (or almost) in a pug group with my alt (soon to be main in BC) hunter
I remember having some retards on my guild, or people without TS (girls...) ect. We still cleared everything until emperor (then I switched guild)

Please tell me what is hard about bwl/mc :/ Vael is harder because you need some stuff (and tries are limited, if I remember right) but thats all

[Deleted]

I joined a group as healer last night. Got bumped off a ledge and accidentally made a few extra pulls, but healed through it and we survived. Quipped a few jokes, apologized, literally nothing from the other four players.

After a couple bosses I pulled some extra packs while we were clearing. Nobodies health was dropping, we were aoe dpsing anyway, and we were all sub 120. Still no issues clearing, but tank starts complaining and other dps start yelling at me and talking about how stupid I am, special needs, etc etc. Then I’m like “this is the first time you guys say anything and it’s this?” Some complaints about state of the game, and they kick me.

We were almost at the last boss at this point. The group knows they can easily pick up another healer from LFD. They don’t give two shits about my time lost missing out on the final bonus exp and it doesn’t hurt them at all.

Will we ACTUALLY get back to people communicating with each other in Classic?

Groups will be harder to form and replacements will take travel time not to mention just finding someone. These same people would probably have preferred to work it out with me instead of kicking. Hell, I didn’t pull anymore after they said stop. I was just discussing why I thought the extra pulls made sense and they kicked me...

You could argue that these people would never have grouped with me in the first place but forget that argument. Suppose they DID group with me and same scenario came up.

I think either Classic DOES bring back tighter community that’s more willing to engage meaningfully with each other or it ends up falling flat and becoming just another desolate playground for those happy to piddle around with original wow either solo or with a tight group of friends.

The games always been toxic. Been kicked and I've kicked people from groups for petty reasons since 2006. It was a simple process of boot the scrub hearth to the main city and spam trade for a new what ever whilst every one else in the group takes a smoke break.

It was common to see LF1M [insert role] [insert instance] 1/5 or what ever they were up to when they booted some one.

People forget wows toxicity began at the end of vanilla as sson as we had ways to gauge if some one was good or not.

[HeiAggra]

Interesting question. I suspect not. There's a theory that software drives behavior which implies that personal responsibility has little to do with it. I think that's completely wrong.

Social gaming at this scale was a relatively new thing in 2005. Everyone was essentially terrible at the game and finding their way. So many reached out. Today, social gaming is a swamp of hostility, trolling and bad behavior unless it's very firmly controlled (which it will not be if Blizzard's history means anything). Classic will have today's "Grow a thicker skin, it's the Internet" audience, not the audience of 2005.

Good community will still mean guilds or friends. You'll need one or both if you want to avoid the swamp.

I agree 100% with you.
Players back in the day had to be social because we were lost, we knew almost nothing from the game and such.
The new classic will be full of the new players trying to be good at "vanilla".

[anon5123]

Thats because pservers only have a tiny fraction of players compared to real one, ofc you know half the servers when theres only like 50 people active.

50 people active.

Most recent vanilla server gets up to 10k online every single day.

But go on, keep preaching about how private servers are "only 50 people"

[Savagedragn]

I hear you. Early December I went back to EverQuest (Agnarr) and what can I say - no regrets! That game is not for everyone but I am having a blast!
The point is, there is communication all the time in every group you are in. The game is just designed that way. And that is what keeps me in. Also character development takes time. Making friends is easy and rewarding. There are risks you either take or not. It's not as harsh as it used to be but as mentioned I am still having a blast.

WoW has kind of gone the other direction -- became a solo RPG (without any RP at all actually) in an MMO dress -- and that might be cool for the most people playing it. But it's no longer cool for myself and apparently not for you also. I was looking forward to play classic. But as others in this thread have mentioned, the community will still be the same (mostly) so I now refrain from playing classic at all because -- and that is the answer to your question -- we will not get back to people communicating with each other in Classic (imho) which is a huge deal for me personally. I actually like the multiplayer part in an MMORPG -- not just inside a guild.

Good luck to ya, mate!

Love that you’ve found a new home!

I think you contradict yourself in your statement. The people playing Everquest and the people playing wow come from the same societal pool. If Everquest folks can get back to good communication between players then so can WoW folks. There is no magical barrier separating these groups of people.

[vashe9]

Most recent vanilla server gets up to 10k online every single day.

But go on, keep preaching about how private servers are "only 50 people"

2 major reasons

1) its FREE, kids dont have money and would play anything free (there are better free alternatives than vanilla for them thats for sure)
Thats the main reason minecraft & fortnite are big
2) international servers : French (and probably other languages) private servers are DEAD.

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Love that you’ve found a new home!

I think you contradict yourself in your statement. The people playing Everquest and the people playing wow come from the same societal pool. If Everquest folks can get back to good communication between players then so can WoW folks. There is no magical barrier separating these groups of people.

We are mixed with international players and Russian who don't even speak English (in Europe), its not even possible to communicate in wow in some cases... I can't even read their nicknames!!! No one, and when I say no one, its no one, NO ONE talks when grouping for elite wq... of course because the entire duration is maximum 30 seconds

[Savagedragn]

The answer is NO.
The only thing you need to get this back is a Dolorean that can go 88mph

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or alt f4 actually

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At the end of vanilla, I cleaned BWL (or almost) in a pug group with my alt (soon to be main in BC) hunter
I remember having some retards on my guild, or people without TS (girls...) ect. We still cleared everything until emperor (then I switched guild)

Please tell me what is hard about bwl/mc :/ Vael is harder because you need some stuff (and tries are limited, if I remember right) but thats all

Girls? Bro my raid leader is a girl. What a weird comment to make =/. Hope you were able to sort that out.

[vashe9]

Girls? Bro my raid leader is a girl. What a weird comment to make =/. Hope you were able to sort that out.

I did not make a generalization. I remember one or two girls in my guild that woulnd't come on TS, never, even in AQ40. Their boyfriend had to PM the key boss strategy points for them... She was a healer (so was I), so when he was not playing in the raid, I was the one who wrote the message.
As you can imagine, not having a healer on TS was sometimes really annoying.
Its 100% true and I'm not an "anti girl in my games" type of guy, not at all... But you must be new to gaming if you don't know that someone who has always TS or discord "problems" is probably a girl. And that horny teenagers can be a pain in the arse when they spot a girl in their video game...