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  1. #241
    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    Yeah it must suck having to deal with a mod that you find unreasonably biased against your political ideology...i hope folks care about it...this time.
    Having a biased mod who does his job is fine, he can debate till the cows come home.

    Having a mod who's bias prevents him from doing his job is another thing entirely. I have watched him refuse to infract actual trolls.

    I have watched one posting a conspiracy theory and was allowed to get away with it while I got infracted for actually pointing out it was a conspiracy theory and explaining how it was with the mod going as far as to edit my post to remove the explanation and I didn't insult or anything with it.

  2. #242
    I've posted this before and it's still true now. Governments have agents (not just Russia) and there are private contractors (both big business and small scale) that push propaganda/marketing for a living. It's their job. Some of it is automated. Some of it is by hand from a real person reading, typing and hitting reply. In some cases they follow scripts or just have general marching orders about what narrative to push.

    There are, without a doubt, workers like that on this forum. This forum is read by many thousands of people, so yes it's a big enough audience to justify the effort. They do it on much smaller ones. It's not hard to figure out who some of them are on MMOC.

  3. #243
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Having a biased mod who does his job is fine, he can debate till the cows come home.

    Having a mod who's bias prevents him from doing his job is another thing entirely. I have watched him refuse to infract actual trolls.

    I have watched one posting a conspiracy theory and was allowed to get away with it while I got infracted for actually pointing out it was a conspiracy theory and explaining how it was with the mod going as far as to edit my post to remove the explanation and I didn't insult or anything with it.
    You don't need to explain to me how much it sucks...how certain folks seem to get away with more, how you have to tip tow on egg shells. yes i'm well aware.
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  4. #244
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucks01 View Post
    It's a fucking joke and has been for a while. But you know that so all you can do is ignore the trolls, the mass amounts of shit posting burner accounts and the same people who are given special treatment and allowed to derail every thread because we have a snowflake Trumper as a mod. I just hope there is no limit to the amount of people you can keep on ignore
    Gets annoying to go for a day only to come back and trying to get caught up, it is 5 pages and I just ignore it all because it is trolls trying to derail but for some reason, everyone keeps feeding them. Like, if you would just stop responding to them, they might go away or at least post less.

    Just have everyone with a signature like mine to remind everyone and move on.

  5. #245
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Gets annoying to go for a day only to come back and trying to get caught up, it is 5 pages and I just ignore it all because it is trolls trying to derail but for some reason, everyone keeps feeding them. Like, if you would just stop responding to them, they might go away or at least post less.

    Just have everyone with a signature like mine to remind everyone and move on.
    It's a shame what the forum has devolved into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saucexorzski View Post
    You don't need to explain to me how much it sucks...how certain folks seem to get away with more, how you have to tip tow on egg shells. yes i'm well aware.
    Yes, there was a mod who infracted conservatives... for calling people libcucks, for posting genuine conspiracy theories, for attacking people rather than addressing the actual argument in the post. It must have been so terrible actually having to follow the forum rules and address the central point of posts rather than blindly insulting liberals as your only response to fact-filled rebuttals to your bullshit.

    The funny part is, many on the left got infracted by said mod as well, I know I did a few times when I blatantly broke the forum rules. But I took it like a man rather than whining about non-existent bias moderation.

    Meanwhile the recent mod in question seems to have a dearth of actually infracting his conservative pals.

    The most hilarious part is that conservatives were blaming their infractions for breaking rules on Endus months after Endus wasn't even a mod. Not even ironically or as a joke, they literally thought that they had been infracted by Endus because they didn't even think to check who had given them the infraction, they just always assumed it was Endus, while the other mods were doing the exact same thing to conservative posters that he did - infracting conservatives because they simply can't adhere to forum rules. Because they only post in bad faith and attack others, rather than ever addressing an argument laid out with well sourced facts.

    I'm glad Endus is no longer a mod if only because the rule breaking conservative accounts no longer have a scapegoat for their blatant rule breaking when they get banned. Although some certainly tried to find a new scapegoat, going so far as calling certain other mods who were conservatives themselves "Biased" because dumbasses are just too blinded by their own utter infatuation with their (lack of) self importance.
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    I don't care if he committed tax fraud. Scoring political victories and crushing the aspirations of your political opponents is more important than adhering to moral principles.
    Knadra finally just admitting Trumpkins care more about political victories than morals.

  7. #247
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    Gets annoying to go for a day only to come back and trying to get caught up, it is 5 pages and I just ignore it all because it is trolls trying to derail but for some reason, everyone keeps feeding them. Like, if you would just stop responding to them, they might go away or at least post less.

    Just have everyone with a signature like mine to remind everyone and move on.
    I don't really get your objection to Dacien and Sulla, but it's possible that I missed something. Shalcker though... whew. I don't know if that dude is legitimately a paid Russian operative, but he's literally indistinguishable from one. People that compulsively reply to him are doing it wrong.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't really get your objection to Dacien and Sulla, but it's possible that I missed something. Shalcker though... whew. I don't know if that dude is legitimately a paid Russian operative, but he's literally indistinguishable from one. People that compulsively reply to him are doing it wrong.
    My problem is they aren't debating in good faith, they are going out of their way to troll and derail a thread and the forum seems to be full of alzheimer's patient who keep feeding them.

    They aren't debating in good faith and willingly go out of their way to lie, misrepresent facts, and NOT know how things work. And it sucks logging in after a few hours or a day or so and trying to get caught up and basically skipping over 5+ pages of links and everything else because all of it is just a back and forth between a bad faith poster and a bunch of alzheimers patents feeding them.

    Don't know if there is anything new in those posts or in those links because I am about 90% sure that it is mainly repeating the same stuff we have repeated over and over again and already know. And I don't skip all the posts, just the ones from them and the responses to them which still constitutes basically 95% of the posts in those section.

  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Fugus View Post
    My problem is they aren't debating in good faith, they are going out of their way to troll and derail a thread and the forum seems to be full of alzheimer's patient who keep feeding them.

    They aren't debating in good faith and willingly go out of their way to lie, misrepresent facts, and NOT know how things work. And it sucks logging in after a few hours or a day or so and trying to get caught up and basically skipping over 5+ pages of links and everything else because all of it is just a back and forth between a bad faith poster and a bunch of alzheimers patents feeding them.

    Don't know if there is anything new in those posts or in those links because I am about 90% sure that it is mainly repeating the same stuff we have repeated over and over again and already know. And I don't skip all the posts, just the ones from them and the responses to them which still constitutes basically 95% of the posts in those section.
    I don't know, I guess this must be an eye of the beholder thing or I just don't read those threads or something. That's not what I see with those two.

  10. #250
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I don't really get your objection to Dacien and Sulla, but it's possible that I missed something. Shalcker though... whew. I don't know if that dude is legitimately a paid Russian operative, but he's literally indistinguishable from one. People that compulsively reply to him are doing it wrong.
    Litterally everything Dacien posted was in extraordinarily bad faith. To a degree, the vulgar bad faith posting of Sulla and the like is actually preferring. Dacien though played this role of being this fair minded individual, open to be engaged, but really, when you cornered him he ignored it, or just lied. It was all a game to rile people up. He gave the game away when it looked like (for a moment) Republicans might get out of the 2018 Midterms in alright shape. It's no surprise he fled the scene about two weeks later.

    Shalcker though... I'll say it again. I've talked to the mods about him. He is only around because they don't know what to do with him. Basically their form of containment is "let him post anything he wants", because they're concerned if they perm ban him, he'll just re-enter on a new account and obscure himself via a proxy. The fact he is still able to post here, five years after his Ukraine propaganda spree not in the least, is like the scandal of forum moderation.

    The root of it - and I just accept it at this point - is the powers that be here at MMO-C evidently are content with completely ignoring how forums have come to be moderated over the past 15 years in direct result to people like Sulla, Dacien and Shalcker. They're stuck in a like a 2005 mode of internet moderation.

    I've warned them too, they got a really dark period coming up. If Donald Trump is removed from office and arrested, it is going to be really bad around here. If Donald Trump is exonerated by Mueller, it is going to be really bad around here. They're not remotely ready for it.

  11. #251
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Litterally everything Dacien posted was in extraordinarily bad faith. To a degree, the vulgar bad faith posting of Sulla and the like is actually preferring. Dacien though played this role of being this fair minded individual, open to be engaged, but really, when you cornered him he ignored it, or just lied. It was all a game to rile people up. He gave the game away when it looked like (for a moment) Republicans might get out of the 2018 Midterms in alright shape. It's no surprise he fled the scene about two weeks later.
    I'm going to defer to you and @Fugus here because you're both a lot more engaged in the threads those guys would likely frequent than I am and I trust both of you to have good judgment about what's genuine disagreement and what's bad faith. Like I said, I haven't really seen it, but me not really seeing something doesn't mean that much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Skroe View Post
    Shalcker though... I'll say it again. I've talked to the mods about him. He is only around because they don't know what to do with him. Basically their form of containment is "let him post anything he wants", because they're concerned if they perm ban him, he'll just re-enter on a new account and obscure himself via a proxy. The fact he is still able to post here, five years after his Ukraine propaganda spree not in the least, is like the scandal of forum moderation.

    The root of it - and I just accept it at this point - is the powers that be here at MMO-C evidently are content with completely ignoring how forums have come to be moderated over the past 15 years in direct result to people like Sulla, Dacien and Shalcker. They're stuck in a like a 2005 mode of internet moderation.

    I've warned them too, they got a really dark period coming up. If Donald Trump is removed from office and arrested, it is going to be really bad around here. If Donald Trump is exonerated by Mueller, it is going to be really bad around here. They're not remotely ready for it.
    Yeah, the forum is heavily moderated based on the old standard of "just be polite" with very little emphasis on whether someone's even remotely attempting to engage in honesty. There's a lot wrong when noticing that Shalcker is an obvious troll will get people infracted due to the "don't mention trolling" policy while Shalcker just endlessly shilling in a fashion that's hard to believe is remotely genuine is considered acceptable. Given that it's still a fairly high traffic forum, I suspect that you'd be right about a coming cataclysm regardless of the specific Mueller outcome.

  12. #252
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    I'm going to defer to you and @Fugus here because you're both a lot more engaged in the threads those guys would likely frequent than I am and I trust both of you to have good judgment about what's genuine disagreement and what's bad faith. Like I said, I haven't really seen it, but me not really seeing something doesn't mean that much.
    I'll offer a comparison. Back in the pre-Trump era, I used to argue a lot with Wells, ringpriest and a few others. I NEVER thought any of them were posting in bad faith. I thought they were completely wrong for one reason or another (at the time), but I never doubted their sincerity.

    This Trump defenders though? Since evidently Tujiana is DocSavageFan, I wouldn't be surprised if in fact, many of them aren't 'people' at all, just costumes for a smaller subset of forum miscreants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Yeah, the forum is heavily moderated based on the old standard of "just be polite" with very little emphasis on whether someone's even remotely attempting to engage in honesty. There's a lot wrong when noticing that Shalcker is an obvious troll will get people infracted due to the "don't mention trolling" policy while Shalcker just endlessly shilling in a fashion that's hard to believe is remotely genuine is considered acceptable. Given that it's still a fairly high traffic forum, I suspect that you'd be right about a coming cataclysm regardless of the specific Mueller outcome.
    It's ridiculous, but I've talked to them a lot about it. The problem is that most of the mods hover over the forum at great altitude and as a result, barely can identify the problems at hand.

    They're honestly more concerned with spambots getting through their filter and posting a few spam threads than the burner account phenomenon.

    Part of it also may be the forum software. I believe the MMO-Champ forums run on vBulletin4. That's ancient. On other forums with more modern software, you can just click on a user name, see the IP, then match that IP to any name that's ever logged on. Makes finding burner accounts' uttermost source easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    I have some bad news for you and your apparent boner for Ginsburg's death.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/11/polit...ery/index.html



    She'll be fine, and she'll probably still outlive Trump and a chunk of the current SCOTUS bench.
    Major surgery at her age is very risky. I hope she'll be fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    Major surgery at her age is very risky. I hope she'll be fine.
    She is, they didn't discover any cancer. Sorry to you, Graham, and other Republicans salivating at the prospect of her death and the potential to stack the courts with activist conservative judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edge- View Post
    She is, they didn't discover any cancer. Sorry to you, Graham, and other Republicans salivating at the prospect of her death and the potential to stack the courts with activist conservative judges.
    I'm not salivating her death. I just happen to think that she doesn't have a lot of time left...as she's very old and has lung cancer. But that said...I'm truly glad to hear that she's recovering well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    I'm not salivating her death. I just happen to think that she doesn't have a lot of time left...as she's very old and has lung cancer. But that said...I'm truly glad to hear that she's recovering well.
    That's just it, she doesn't have lung cancer. That's what the surgery was all about, getting rid of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    That's just it, she doesn't have lung cancer. That's what the surgery was all about, getting rid of it.
    I hope you're right...that this was indeed the primary cancer and not related to her earlier bout with Pancreatic cancer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocSavageFan View Post
    I hope you're right...that this was indeed the primary cancer and not related to her earlier bout with Pancreatic cancer.
    Her doctors said she’s cancer free, as per a statement from the SCOTUS. I’ll go with doctors over hopes and prayers.
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    Got to earn his turnips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    Her doctors said she’s cancer free, as per a statement from the SCOTUS. I’ll go with doctors over hopes and prayers.
    False dichotomy is false dichotomy. But hey, I'll give your weak back handed insult a C- for effort.
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