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  1. #41
    normal is black folks make up roughly 10% of the people in our country. Lesbians etc even less. Why is it these people think that these "very normal" things belong in everything? Realistic would be if they were in roughly 10% of things. Like jada pinkett smith. She expects 50/50 representation. Uh, i know that grade school math doesnt come with your multi million dollar salary.. but that would be gross over representation.

    just saying.

    im over agendas and quotas and token (insert minority) positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greyvax View Post
    That day will never arrive. There will always be a complaint that "X gender/race/etc.. isn't represented enough".
    Well, you're onto something, cause there was complaints Hammond was a male animal character when he could have been a she. The excuse is to change it now would be, "You don't even have to change the model." At that point, what's the huge deal about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flurryfang View Post
    In a time where individualization is in focus, Kaplan is putting himself up to fail, because there is always gonna be somebody who feel like they are not represented. Overwatch could have 300 heroes and there would still be somebody who feel like they are not there, because we live in a day where we focus on what makes us all different.
    Until they have a half-blind, dual eye-colored bisexual tech junky who has Irish and Native American heritage and a fashion sense of the 1920s there will never be a character for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meat Rubbing Specialist View Post
    Easiest way to do that is to not announce it. Like legitimately leave it all ambiguous. If people want to think the characters are Gay let them, and vice versa.

    The irony of "representation" is it can make others feel shafted when it is randomly attributed to a character. "diversity" is always described as needed because "Omg poor minorities can't attach to characters because they don't fuck the same genitals as they do!!!"

    As a Straight guy that had 76 as one of his favourite characters, does him being Gay mean I can no longer enjoy him on a Mental level? If you say "no" to that, well doesn't that mean that a Gay person should be fine with identifying with a Straight character?

    At this point I think giving characters sexualities in a First Person Shooter is just pandering and nonsense. They could be all gay or all straight and it wouldn't make a difference to the actual game.
    What's funny is literally these actions serve as a gateway to label someone homophobic, or racist, for not liking their perceived identity of a character to be ripped apart. Though there was uproar that Zarya wasn't the gay one to be revealed because it was literally the same situation, just the opposite direction. But everyone was feeling more justified.

    Essentially it just simply shatters one's fantasy. And the more progressive minds love it cause it "sets off the convervatives," whereas if it does the same to them, it's just a phobia of some level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klepp0906 View Post
    normal is black folks make up roughly 10% of the people in our country. Lesbians etc even less. Why is it these people think that these "very normal" things belong in everything? Realistic would be if they were in roughly 10% of things. Like jada pinkett smith. She expects 50/50 representation. Uh, i know that grade school math doesnt come with your multi million dollar salary.. but that would be gross over representation.

    just saying.

    im over agendas and quotas and token (insert minority) positions.
    Overwatch is a game with characters from all over the world. Black people worldwide definitely make up more than 10% of the population.

    Also even if you use just the US's breakdown, look at all the games coming out this year and then look at the amount of them that have a black protagonist. Let me tell you, it's no where near 10%.

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    I mean, if you actually want to help it be normal, drawing special attention to it by doing things like this is only going to accomplish the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Very Tired View Post
    I mean, if you actually want to help it be normal, drawing special attention to it by doing things like this is only going to accomplish the opposite.
    Which is always my confusion, they make a big deal about it which makes being Gay seem like something unique or special, when it is neither. You just like the Genitals the other 50+% of World does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melkesjokolade View Post
    Then WHY the fuck do they reveal as a "big lore event" where basicly nothing happened, that one of the oldest character, displayed as a heterosexual, SUDDENLY IS GAY! Thats not normalizing it. If anyone is gay and stuff, it should be part of their origin story or something. Not just "poof oh that hero is gay now". That is why its causing an outrage. Absolutely ironic and stupid.
    Except he was never displayed as a heterosexual in the first place, his sexuality wasn't displayed at all in any way prior to this. People just defaulted on that assumption, which is on them, not on Blizzard somehow misleading and then changing their minds. For all we know he was meant to be gay all along, after all he was already shown with the picture of Vincent in the comic from 2016 (we just didn't know who it was back then) so it's not like this was somehow suddenly out of the blue.

    PS. to the rest; the whole thing was literally mentioned in brief passing in Ana-centric story and nothing else, only ones making a big deal out of it are the players, not the devs. (Which is the whole point, such a thing shouldn't be big news anymore.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    Ana: Egyptian
    Pharah: Egyptian
    Ashe: American
    McCree: American
    Soldier: 76: American
    Torbjörn: Swede
    Brigitte: Swede
    Mercy: Swiss
    Junkrat: Australian
    Roadhog: Australian
    Moira: Irish
    Reinhardt: German
    Zarya: Russian
    Tracer: English
    Widowmaker: French
    Bastion: Robot
    Orisa: Robot
    Zenyatta: Robot
    D.Va: Korean
    Doomfist: African
    Genji: Japanese
    Hanzo: Japanese
    Lúcio: Brazilian
    Mei: Chinese
    Reaper: Mexican
    Sombra: Mexican
    Symmetra: Indian
    Winston: Animal
    Wrecking Ball: Animal

    Sombra, Lucio, Doomfist and Orisa all have African heritage, Sombra is a half and half latina/african, look at her hair and body type.

    I deem this complaint fallacious and self centered.

    Omnics are the ones who are underrepresented.
    Sombra is just hispanic ... she may have some African heritage in her background, but she isn't half and half. You would need to know her parentage to make that claim. She could just be a dark skinned hispanic, which would imply distant African heritage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Sombra is just hispanic ... she may have some African heritage in her background, but she isn't half and half. You would need to know her parentage to make that claim. She could just be a dark skinned hispanic, which would imply distant African heritage.
    I wasn't basing that on her skin tone, but her hair texture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    I wasn't basing that on her skin tone, but her hair texture.
    Yeah ... still wrong though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Yeah ... still wrong though.
    Show me someone with afro texture hair that isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thirza View Post
    Show me someone with afro texture hair that isn't.
    She doesn't have afro texture hair ... I don't even understand what you mean by that. I know white women that have styles similar to Sombra.
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    You would need a bottle of glue to make non nappy hair look like that.

  13. #53
    I am surprised that there are no native American's in Overwatch.

    With exception of Pharah who is half native and half Egyptian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by klepp0906 View Post
    normal is black folks make up roughly 10% of the people in our country. Lesbians etc even less. Why is it these people think that these "very normal" things belong in everything? Realistic would be if they were in roughly 10% of things. Like jada pinkett smith. She expects 50/50 representation. Uh, i know that grade school math doesnt come with your multi million dollar salary.. but that would be gross over representation.

    just saying.

    im over agendas and quotas and token (insert minority) positions.
    There are 29 characters one is gay that's a pretty normal ratio.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-...gallup-n877486

    4-5 percent of adults identity as gay which kind blows your arguement of the water. In the future don't be so emotional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Ana, Pharah, and Sombra are all women of African heritage, and could easily fit within the black paradigm. This gamer wants a black American character which is something else entirely.
    In physical anthropology the term is one of the three general racial classifications of humans — Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. While Egypt is in Africa Ana and Pharah are not actually classified as Negroid. They are Arab and Arabs are classified as Caucasoid due to genetic features that they share with other Caucasoid (Whites).

    Furthermore Sombra is considered Mongoloid.

    So no, there are no black women in overwatch currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darththeo View Post
    Sombra is just hispanic ... she may have some African heritage in her background, but she isn't half and half. You would need to know her parentage to make that claim. She could just be a dark skinned Hispanic, which would imply distant African heritage.
    Again, Sombra is Mongoloid. Their ancestors crossed over an ice bridge from their Mongoloid ancestors and propagated across what would one day be called North and South America. People from Africa (negroid) came to North America during the period of colonial slavery. Hispanics were in N & S America long before Europeans arrived and long before Europeans started bringing slaves.

    Genetic markers include eye shape/color, hair, body shape, teeth, body hair (or lack of) and hair texture but rarely skin color as some people from India can have very dark skin but are still Caucasoid. There are also black people whose skin is so light that they pass for a white person, so skin color is a flawed way to classify humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    In physical anthropology the term is one of the three general racial classifications of humans — Caucasoid, Mongoloid and Negroid. While Egypt is in Africa Ana and Pharah are not actually classified as Negroid. They are Arab and Arabs are classified as Caucasoid due to genetic features that they share with other Caucasoid (Whites).

    Furthermore Sombra is considered Mongoloid.

    So no, there are no black women in overwatch currently.

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    Again, Sombra is Mongoloid. Their ancestors crossed over an ice bridge from their Mongoloid ancestors and propagated across what would one day be called North and South America. People from Africa (negroid) came to North America during the period of colonial slavery. Hispanics were in N & S America long before Europeans arrived and long before Europeans started bringing slaves.

    Genetic markers include eye shape/color, hair, body shape, teeth, body hair (or lack of) and hair texture but rarely skin color as some people from India can have very dark skin but are still Caucasoid. There are also black people whose skin is so light that they pass for a white person, so skin color is a flawed way to classify humans.
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    There's enough females in this game. There's been 8 heroes added to the game post-launch, 6 of which are female and only 1 has been male (Hammond doesn't count; he's a fucking hamster. But also you can say the same for Orisa by extension since she's a robot but at least she talks and it's a female). I understand trying to pander to the SJWs and snowflakes, but cmon this is getting out of hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eapoe View Post
    You are wrong sir. Efi Oladele says hello. She even represents child prodigies and geniuses.
    Efi's presence in the game is limited to a poster. She is not a playable character. She is no more relevant to the game than Widow Makers dead husband who only exists in a photo in the Chateau. Efi will also never appear as a playable character in the game because she is a child and Blizz is not going to put a child in a game where you shoot people in the face.

    Someone would like to see some one like them represented in a video game, who really cares enough to complain about that? OMG Someone out there in the world asked for something! I must run to the internet to complain on an unaffiliated video game forum! I know that these forums are rife with alt-riech boys but I never understood the logic of calling people snowflakes for being easily offended when they themselves are easily offended by others being easily offended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaHomieG View Post
    There's enough females in this game. There's been 8 heroes added to the game post-launch, 6 of which are female and only 1 has been male (Hammond doesn't count; he's a fucking hamster. But also you can say the same for Orisa by extension since she's a robot but at least she talks and it's a female). I understand trying to pander to the SJWs and snowflakes, but cmon this is getting out of hand.
    So if Orisa sounds female she is female? Interesting, is her gender decided by you because you hear a female voice program emitting from her, is it because she personally identifies as a female attack helicopter or did Efi assign her a gender? She also sounds African, does she qualify as an african female? If I take a German accent am I a German even though I was born in upstate NY and have no German ancestors? Zenyata comes from the Himalayan mountains as a monk, does Zen qualify as an asian male?

    If a man makes his voice sound like a female does that mean you think they are a female?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    did Efi assign her a gender? She also sounds African, does she qualify as an african female?
    Essentially, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    Efi's presence in the game is limited to a poster. She is not a playable character. She is no more relevant to the game than Widow Makers dead husband who only exists in a photo in the Chateau. Efi will also never appear as a playable character in the game because she is a child and Blizz is not going to put a child in a game where you shoot people in the face.

    Someone would like to see some one like them represented in a video game, who really cares enough to complain about that? OMG Someone out there in the world asked for something! I must run to the internet to complain on an unaffiliated video game forum! I know that these forums are rife with alt-riech boys but I never understood the logic of calling people snowflakes for being easily offended when they themselves are easily offended by others being easily offended.

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    So if Orisa sounds female she is female? Interesting, is her gender decided by you because you hear a female voice program emitting from her, is it because she personally identifies as a female attack helicopter or did Efi assign her a gender? She also sounds African, does she qualify as an african female? If I take a German accent am I a German even though I was born in upstate NY and have no German ancestors? Zenyata comes from the Himalayan mountains as a monk, does Zen qualify as an asian male?

    If a man makes his voice sound like a female does that mean you think they are a female?
    The point was you stated that Africans are not represented in Overwatch, which is false. She’s still in there.
    As far as your response to the other person, Blizz has defined her gender by putting “she” and “her” in her bio and how she acts on a team. She’s also African because she was created by Efi in Numbani, a city in Africa. Accents do not make a nationality, but where someone is born or something is created does.
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