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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    This right here. I dont understand people that join the Horde but "hate the Orcs". I mean you are free to hate them, but advocating that they should be a minor race and almost never make an appearance is just pitiful considering that the Horde was build by them.

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    "Humans gained nothing" ah I see. So all the human lore where they get all the spotlight with the Wrynn family, Kul Tiras and Jaina, rebuilded Stromgarde is nothing? Relook your list because it is clear where your bias stands.
    "Wrynn family" I literally brought Anduin up, maybe you should learn to read? Stromgarde is also a warfront, not purely Alliance territory. The point is to fight over it akin to battegrounds.

    Maybe use your brain before you jump the gun, all because my post doesn't agree with your poor outlook on the game.

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  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    "Wrynn family" I literally brought Anduin up, maybe you should learn to read? Stromgarde is also a warfront, not purely Alliance territory. The point is to fight over it akin to battegrounds.

    Maybe use your brain before you jump the gun, all because my post doesn't agree with your poor outlook on the game.
    My poor outlook? WoD was all about that warcraft 1 feeling about going back in time to slaughter some Orcs. The Lords of War videos were all a narrative of Varian dealing with his past. Just because they are Orcs does not mean they are Horde aligned.

    Legion started off with the Legion trailer and again, Varian being the protagonist in the story. Varian heroically dying that both factions had to sit through. Anduin dealing with his father. The Kirin Tor and Khadgar which is still mainly a human faction. Turalyon and his waifu Alleria coming back into the fray.

    Now with BfA, they get both old and new introduced characters. Kul Tiras, Jaina and Katherine proudmoore. Bolvar's daughter. Rebuilded Stromgarde.

    Yeah poor humans barely get the focus in the storyline and have lost so much, you are right. /s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    This right here. I dont understand people that join the Horde but "hate the Orcs". I mean you are free to hate them, but advocating that they should be a minor race and almost never make an appearance is just pitiful considering that the Horde was build by them.
    it come from the nu-horde, mostly blood elves and undead players, mostly BE who want to be the center of the faction,, they think just because they are popular they need to be the core race, and the orcs, trolls and taurens, should be shifted away because they are ugly and they don't like their thematic.

    Already saw so many posts of "silvermoon should be the horde capital" "horde should be leaded by the elves" "lorthemar for warchief" "orcs don't make sense to be warchief" and worse.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    don't think the Orcs have anything to complain about.
    Are you like for real? honestly? read again the comment above yours and mine and tell me again we have nothing to complaint

    like i said, i dare any other race trade their development for what happen to the orcs, cause i would trade any day

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    My poor outlook? WoD was all about that warcraft 1 feeling about going back in time to slaughter some Orcs. The Lords of War videos were all a narrative of Varian dealing with his past. Just because they are Orcs does not mean they are Horde aligned.

    Legion started off with the Legion trailer and again, Varian being the protagonist in the story. Varian heroically dying that both factions had to sit through. Anduin dealing with his father. The Kirin Tor and Khadgar which is still mainly a human faction. Turalyon and his waifu Alleria coming back into the fray.

    Now with BfA, they get both old and new introduced characters. Kul Tiras, Jaina and Katherine proudmoore. Bolvar's daughter. Rebuilded Stromgarde.

    Yeah poor humans barely get the focus in the storyline and have lost so much, you are right. /s
    I never said they don't get any focus. Learn to read, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    Are you like for real? honestly? read again the comment above yours and mine and tell me again we have nothing to complaint

    like i said, i dare any other race trade their development for what happen to the orcs, cause i would trade any day
    You know you aren't an Orc, right? Orcs get the most development of any race in the game. Again, as I said in my larger post, it has been up and down but they are still a powerful force in the lore and in the game. Somehow the Horde/Orcs went through a massive civil war and came out without much an a scratch, outside of losing some lroe figures. But Alliance? Darnassus and most of the Night Elf stuff burned. Their NPCs useless. Gnomes, who don't even get development lost their leader.

    I really don't know what some of you expect out of this narrative, or what you expect after a civil war in the Horde. Its like you want to pretend the Orcs/Horde are "brave, noble savage misfits" but then cry when consequences occur. Should the Horde/Orcs just win every battle, never lose a man, and conquer Azeroth? Would that be interesting to you?

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    I never said they don't get any focus. Learn to read, please.
    No you said humans do not gain or win much and that their only focus or narrative was Anduin, which could be interpreted as "humans do not get much story focus".
    Which they do. And I feel sorry for the other races of the Alliance. High King is a title akin to warchief. Except you can not challenge a high king and have to become on by birthright it seems.

    What losses did the humans go through? They won the war against Garrosh. They won the war against the Iron Horde. They never lost territory. They even gained it with Stromgarde. Their only loss was Varian but the way he was praised and folliwed doesn't really make his dead as a loss because in the same patch he already has a follower set up.

    Where is our Hellscream? Our Thrall? The Orcs are still leaderless, same as the Darkspear. We are never getting told how or who represents them. We can only guess because an orc or a troll popped up here and there. Meanwhile any small change within human lore is always tied in to the storyline and both ingame and in books, and is adressed and corrected instantly.

    I think it is very easy to say that humans are now the most focused and developped race of world of warcraft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    You know you aren't an Orc, right? Orcs get the most development of any race in the game.
    yeah? i think its pretty obviou we are talking as players
    Can you please explain, how their entire development from the books to cata being completely destroyed in mop and WOD its "most development of the game"? tell me how your entire narrative was throw in the toilet its something that we don't get to complain

    there are any other races who suffer this? no, not a single one

    Are you one of those who think wod is just a playground and an orc dream of development? cause being butfucked 2 expansion in a row with a villain batoits not getting development but getting their past development destroyed, and the only orc from the horde there was Thrall and what he did was get a crippling depression

    Again, as I said in my larger post, it has been up and down but they are still a powerful force in the lore and in the game
    having numbers to be meatshield, cannon folder and villains is something to be proud for now? cause its the only thing the "powerful force" can do, i would trade those numbers for their narrative back, or at least their characters, cause they only have 2, one is senile and the other - that they completely fuck up, its running god knows were

    Somehow the Horde/Orcs went through a massive civil war and came out without much an a scratch, outside of losing some lroe figures
    without much of a scratch? again, are you even reading? their narrative since the beginning was destroyed, their characters died, they get tagged as racists for years and get shifted away until Saurfang show up to do shit, they pass 2 entire expansion without a racial leader what other race face this?

    But Alliance? Darnassus and most of the Night Elf stuff burned. Their NPCs useless.
    They still have hyjal and other areas, they still have their leader and most of their characters, they still have their narrative, and is improving making then go back to their roots from warcraft 3.

    i would trade any day

    Gnomes, who don't even get development lost their leader.
    their narrative intact, the leader its not dead, they get development from bfa, and appear in every expansion as support, pretty solid for a comic relief race

    I really don't know what some of you expect out of this narrative, or what you expect after a civil war in the Horde. Its like you want to pretend the Orcs/Horde are "brave, noble savage misfits" but then cry when consequences occur. Should the Horde/Orcs just win every battle, never lose a man, and conquer Azeroth? Would that be interesting to you?
    You are not understanding

    we are talking about the development and narrative of a race, they were a pacific race, living a hostile world, they were savage, brave whatever, but they were honorable, shamanistic. Then the legion came and corrupted the race, they did a lot of shit, and paid the price, they had the chance to restart after breaking from the Legion, they find other races and befriend then, they create bounds and are like brothers.

    But then MOP happens, and shows that the once noble and savage race who befriend other different races are just warmongers with a bloodlust, racists who want to take the entire world, and we need to fight those villains, their own faction need to fight then, the good orcs? fuck then, cause the stigma was already created, everything before mean jack-shit.

    And then comes WOD, and everything get worse, in truth they shows how orcs were just mongrel gorilas wanting to conquer te world, again, the villains who need to be purged, our orcs means jackshit again because they are exception, the stigma still there getting worse and worse, everything they create before? to the dumpster

    All their old heroes? villain bat, dying like retards, their clans? same shit, the "good clans" its just one, an exception of the rule.

    People get mad because its just crazy villains orcs on the screen, people get tired of orcs, the orcs who have nothing to do with pay the prince and get shifted away, characters die etc etc.

    Like i said, they only have 2 characters ATM one is senile and the other is god know were after being butchered and hated by the fanbase of his own faction, the guy created by humans is having crippling depression with his family its not even worthy be mentioned.

    And the orcs as a race, with no identity, no narrative, no characters, no leader, shifted away from their own faction and being replaced by the maghar, are in good spot because they have numbers to be cannon folder?

    I would trade their fate with any other race, gnomes elves, everything is better.
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  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Overlordd View Post
    No you said humans do not gain or win much and that their only focus or narrative was Anduin, which could be interpreted as "humans do not get much story focus".
    Which they do. And I feel sorry for the other races of the Alliance. High King is a title akin to warchief. Except you can not challenge a high king and have to become on by birthright it seems.

    What losses did the humans go through? They won the war against Garrosh. They won the war against the Iron Horde. They never lost territory. They even gained it with Stromgarde. Their only loss was Varian but the way he was praised and folliwed doesn't really make his dead as a loss because in the same patch he already has a follower set up.

    Where is our Hellscream? Our Thrall? The Orcs are still leaderless, same as the Darkspear. We are never getting told how or who represents them. We can only guess because an orc or a troll popped up here and there. Meanwhile any small change within human lore is always tied in to the storyline and both ingame and in books, and is adressed and corrected instantly.

    I think it is very easy to say that humans are now the most focused and developped race of world of warcraft.
    In the context of land gains (a running theme in my post) no, the humans do not gain much. Unless you count the blighted UC?

    Won the war against garrosh? Can we stop calling it that? The Alliance did not beat the Horde or sack Org. The Alliance purely assisted in the civil war, picking Thralls Horde to assist.

    Stromgarde is a current warfront. Its not an Alliance territory. The Alliance lost almost everything in Kalimdor, and were pushed from Eastern Kindgoms.

    Yes, Varian dying is a loss.

    The main story is Alliance focused? Dude, in Cata, a main questline had Thralls wedding, the birth of his kid etc....

    As for leaders go, Orcs have Saurfang (whether you like it or not) and Overlord Geya'rah. Finding a new Darkspear leader has probably been put off in BFA for story reasons involving Vol'Jin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post

    there are any other races who suffer this? no, not a single one
    I'm only going to address this part of your post; the answer is no, the Orcs do not suffer the most. They probably cause the most suffering though. Since WC3 the Orcs/Horde have routinely caused harm to everyone else around them, thats a fact. They have pushed further and further into Night Elf territory - and after SoO, Tyrande allowed Orcs to keep Azshara for food and lumber. But as of BFA the Horde destroyed every fort, house, city on Kalimdor belonging to them. Tie in the fact that Night Elves have done almost nothing and gained almost zero screen time in the game, yeah, I would say its an easy case that they have it worse than Orcs.

    And like my first post said, Orcs get more screen time than any other race. The reason they are killed more, and have lost more NPCs is due to this fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Won the war against garrosh? Can we stop calling it that? The Alliance did not beat the Horde or sack Org
    The alliance did sacked orgrimmar, and Varian had the last word that we only get away because of his mercy, the horde shit, the alliance became the superpotency in the world

    Stromgarde is a current warfront. Its not an Alliance territory. The Alliance lost almost everything in Kalimdor, and were pushed from Eastern Kindgoms.
    no? they just lost teldrassil in kalindor, and they are attacking even durotar, they gain mush more territory in Easter kingdoms, and are winning the war.

    Yes, Varian dying is a loss.
    One, was a well done death, an arc finished for his son to raise

    The main story is Alliance focused? Dude, in Cata, a main questline had Thralls wedding, the birth of his kid etc....
    And in Legion we have to hEar 'TYRANDE I NEEEED U"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    I'm only going to address this part of your post; the answer is no, the Orcs do not suffer the most.
    i didn't said the orcs suffer the most, i ask you, what races suffer the same things orcs suffered IN A NARRATIVE AND DEVELOPMENT VIEW, im not talking about ingame loss like teldrassil.

    What race got their entire narrative and development destroyed after years of building? what race get shifted away from their own faction? what race got their characters hit by the villain bat so much that just left 2 old ones? what race got tagged as warmonger racist gorilas for years going against their lore?


    And like my first post said, Orcs get more screen time than any other race. The reason they are killed more, and have lost more NPCs is due to this fact.
    Repeat after me: just because an orc show up it don't mean the horde orcs get a screen time, bad screen time that we didn't ask for we not a good thing and only do harm for both playerbase

    Since WC3 the Orcs/Horde have routinely caused harm to everyone else around them, thats a fact.
    Same thing as the alliance, the humans and the elves.

    Tie in the fact that Night Elves have done almost nothing and gained almost zero screen time in the game, yeah, I would say its an easy case that they have it worse than Orcs.
    lets see:
    Narrative intact: check
    characters alive: check
    development going forward: check
    blizzard not fucking up their lore: half check
    Having screen time: check (cause hey, cata, Legion and BfA happened)
    Holding territory: not check

    Still better than orcs in my view, i would trade orgrimmar for their identity, integrity and narrative back thank you
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    Guess it all shows that Thrall's idealistic view of Horde and Orcs in particular was just a dream. Looks like Metzen's "true Warchief return" wont happen, unless Thrall would go full nasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    I never said they don't get any focus. Learn to read, please.

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    You know you aren't an Orc, right? Orcs get the most development of any race in the game. Again, as I said in my larger post, it has been up and down but they are still a powerful force in the lore and in the game. Somehow the Horde/Orcs went through a massive civil war and came out without much an a scratch, outside of losing some lroe figures. But Alliance? Darnassus and most of the Night Elf stuff burned. Their NPCs useless. Gnomes, who don't even get development lost their leader.

    I really don't know what some of you expect out of this narrative, or what you expect after a civil war in the Horde. Its like you want to pretend the Orcs/Horde are "brave, noble savage misfits" but then cry when consequences occur. Should the Horde/Orcs just win every battle, never lose a man, and conquer Azeroth? Would that be interesting to you?
    Places don't define your identity. If that was the case orcs would have died the minute draenor was blown up. Hyjal is the actual place that matters for Kaldorei. They lost teldrassil? Cry ne a river. Doesn't stop blizzard for throwing screen time on them since cataclysm nonstop. They aren't half as bad as the orc story is, which effectively died with mop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Guess it all shows that Thrall's idealistic view of Horde and Orcs in particular was just a dream. Looks like Metzen's "true Warchief return" wont happen, unless Thrall would go full nasty.
    it was not a dream, it was solid, until they decide to buttfuck their narrative and development, retconing and changing all the past shit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gann Stonespire View Post
    I already mentioned how Rise of the Horde painted orcs as a violent race that nevertheless lived in peace with the Draenei until the Burning Legion.
    Yeah not like the roads in hellfire were literally paved with draenei bones or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    Yeah not like the roads in hellfire were literally paved with draenei bones or anything.
    its not like after the corruption of the Legion, it was totally before

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gann Stonespire View Post
    Besides Garrosh They lost:


    The Kor'kron, Evil and gone forever

    Warsong Clan, Evil and gone forever

    Dragonmaw Clan, Evil and gone forever

    Zaela, Evil and gone forever

    Shokia, Evil and gone forever

    Nazgrim, Sided with Garrosh and gone from the Horde forever

    The idea of Orcs moving on from the past, gone forever

    The idea of Orcs being family with Tauren and Trolls, gone Forever

    Orcs having a racial leader, gone forever

    Orcs being anything but evil cannon fodder, gone forever.


    Now with Battle for Azeroth, more races of the Horde can join orcs on the evil cannon fodder team.
    But now Nazgrim is even cooler and more bad ass since he is a Horseman. Way more badass being Undead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grazrug View Post
    Places don't define your identity. If that was the case orcs would have died the minute draenor was blown up. Hyjal is the actual place that matters for Kaldorei. They lost teldrassil? Cry ne a river. Doesn't stop blizzard for throwing screen time on them since cataclysm nonstop. They aren't half as bad as the orc story is, which effectively died with mop.
    That's kind of like saying Orgrimmar being razed wouldn't count as an Orc loss because Outland still exists.

    No, in term of silly victim Olympics (which is really what this thread boils down to), NEs win and it's not even close. And at least they don't tend to go looking for a fight then cry about how hard they have it when they lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syegfryed View Post
    its not like after the corruption of the Legion, it was totally before
    The orcs were still red skinned so yeah it was

    Also horde should actually enjoy Tyrande I need you since it's Xavius mocking her and Malf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gann Stonespire View Post
    What orcs besides Saurfang, oh and the 90 year old Eitrigg ever do anything anymore?
    Cromush? Eyegouge? Rule 63 Thrall?
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    And His disciples said unto Him, "Can we get Kings instead?"

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    Dear God,
    People actually genuinely believe this whole "bias" is a real thing, and that there is some slight against you because you arbitratily play X faction in a game?

    Man, you *really* need some perspectives in your lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howlrunner View Post
    Dear God,
    People actually genuinely believe this whole "bias" is a real thing, and that there is some slight against you because you arbitratily play X faction in a game?

    Man, you *really* need some perspectives in your lives.
    Was the alliance ever shafted around villain batted and then cannibalized itself? No? Thought so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xath View Post
    The orcs were still red skinned so yeah it was

    Also horde should actually enjoy Tyrande I need you since it's Xavius mocking her and Malf.
    You know it doesn't work like that where you, as an Alliance player, tell Horde to enjoy questing with an Alliance character because of reason X

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