We're Taking Your President From You Ep. VII: Trump a Russian Agent? FBI investigated

[Shalcker]

And, yet, Mueller knows more than the public. So my question stands.

We are the public. Assuming that Mueller knows something specific about collusion (that we don't know) would be our conjecture.

Public information so far is that there is none.

Plenty of shady stuff around him (and still, so far none goes toward "collusion" angle), no direct Trump connections.

[lockedout]

So you are saying that Trump was so unaware of what was going on around him that virtually his entire team had contacts with Russia, and he simply didn't realise it? I'm not sure how much better "unaware to the point of incompetence" is than "actively working for Russia".

I'm saying he isn't charged with anything.

[Pipebomb]

Episode 7? This is gonna be a novel by 2024.

[Huehuecoyotl]

I'm saying he isn't charged with anything.

So basically not contributing to this thread at all, then?

I can see you in a thread about night-time, where somebody mentions that the sun will be up soon, jumping in with "yes, but the sun isn't here yet, is it?".

[Acidbaron]

That's a lot of smoke.

Why are the republicans still supporting him?

Because it empowers, untalented, unintelligent people to exert a certain amount of unwarranted superiority based on their skin colour. It makes it so their hard times, their failures are not their own but caused by someone else of another skin colour, of another political believes.

[lockedout]

So basically not contributing to this thread at all, then?

I can see you in a thread about night-time, where somebody mentions that the sun will be up soon, jumping in with "yes, but the sun isn't here yet, is it?".

You'd have to red what I quoted and what he said prior.

[Deja Thoris]

You'd have to red what I quoted and what he said prior.

Listen, noone really cares what you think or say.

You're the random racist that wanders in every couple of days to get bitch slapped out of here by common sense and logic. You won't admit it but you know its true, look how much you used to post your drivel here. Now it takes you ages to pluck up the courage and even when you do its timid low effort stuff like this.

Do us a favour and put some effort into it, or just admit defeat and stop already.

[Adam Jensen]

There is no proven collusion.

They asked Donald Rumsfeld if he was a lizard person and he dodged the question, so by your logic....

The Americans are being slaughtered at the gates of Baghdad!

[Adam Jensen]

Manafort and the campaign are not Trump.

So Trump just accidently hired staffers with Russian connections, and only accidently refused to allow his meetings with Putin and Co be recorded and only accidently refused to tell his staff about his meetings with Russians.

When there's smoke, there's fire.

[Thekri]

Extremely interesting article from the Washington Post (Link to MSN version to avoid paywalls) about the lengths Trump went to avoid anyone knowing what he talked about with Putin. In combination with an active investigation as to the extent he was a Russian agent this is... something.


Five separate interactions with Vladimir Putin, in person, over two years. The US government does not have detailed records of what happened in those meetings, even in classified files. That is mind blowing, and the implications are frightening to say the least.

[Shalcker]

And your supposition was that after the Mueller investigation is over there will be no evidence of conspiracy. I'm asking how you can know this. You seem to be having quite a bit of trouble with this concept.

No, my supposition is that currently we know no evidence of conspiracy, and nothing more.

I said nothing about "after Mueller investigation".

[Dome Fossil]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.2c897effe163

Only 29% are blaming Democrats for the shutdown at this point, holy shit. That's less than Trump's usual 33%~39% bottom-of-the-barrel base of supporters that believe him no matter how incredibly easy it is to prove he's wrong! We're almost down to only 1 in 4 fully buying his bullshit.

It's no wonder all the recent wall memes of Trump had his eyes looking like wet sacks of garbage, he must be exhausted from all this winning!

[Shalcker]

So Trump just accidently hired staffers with Russian connections, and only accidently refused to allow his meetings with Putin and Co be recorded and only accidently refused to tell his staff about his meetings with Russians.

The only ones Trump could get were the ones who didn't care about having squeaky-clean image, and who made any connections they felt would benefit them personally.

As for "refused to tell" - well, how could you really trust "his staff" not to leak it in most warped way possible?

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I get it, you think that because Mueller doesn’t leak he doesn’t know anything.

No, because Mueller doesn't leak we don't know anything.

And therefore any speculation about what Mueller might have is just that - speculation. When people say "He'll get him for colluding with Russians!" they are engaging in conjecture and wishful thinking.

That is all there is to it.

The stuff directly tied to the president is going to be the last shoe to drop. See, just because you don’t know what Mueller does doesn’t mean he hasn’t found anything. In fact the redaction fuckup by Manafort’s team shows he knows quite a bit about what the campaign was passing on to the Russians.

Yes, it doesn't mean he hasn't found anything; it also doesn't mean he found anything too.

[Shalcker]

I've never had a ton of confidence they'd get direct evidence that Trump conspired with the Russians. We do have a ton of evidence his campaign did. And at the highest levels with the people closest to him. The idea that he didn't know something was going on is ridiculous. Especially considering he hid the stupid business deal that got put on hold until he's no longer President.

We have evidence that campaign tried to; we got absolutely no evidence they succeeded so far.

Given how his "leadership" works, having him not engaged in any details of schemes going around him seems perfectly natural. If it succeeded he takes credit; if it fails "he was just a coffee boy".

[Adam Jensen]

The only ones Trump could get were the ones who didn't care about having squeaky-clean image, and who made any connections they felt would benefit them personally.

As for "refused to tell" - well, how could you really trust "his staff" not to leak it in most warped way possible?

So your argument is that Trump's "best people" are corrupt goons and therefore Trump is incompetent at picking staff members?

. . . who all have Russian connections . . .?

[cubby]

There is no proven collusion.

They asked Donald Rumsfeld if he was a lizard person and he dodged the question, so by your logic....

[hysterical video snipped because the Trumpkins can no longer use reality to defend their positions]

I love that all you have is satire now. You can't even face reality at this point. Mueller proved collusion re Manafort, 100%. Trump is right behind them, along with his letter of intent to give Putin $50M. Or did you forget that?

[Shalcker]

So your argument is that Trump's "best people" are corrupt goons and therefore Trump is incompetent at picking staff members?

Incompetent? That depends on what your expect his aim to be really. It is certainly not just "best people for the job".

He also doesn't have much choice given his personality - most competent people who try to work with him seem to say "fuck it, i'm out" soon enough (like his multiple lawyers, or Tillerson).

Btw, remember Tillerson? Who apparently was in bed with Russia because he had Russian Order of Friendship?

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Bullshit. Manafort passed internal polling data to Putin’s people, thanks redaction errors.

Well, show me where it was authorized by Trump, first; and second, that it was intended for Russians, not for Ukrainians as Manafort's communication with Kilimnik said.

Because as far as Ukrainians go, Clinton definitely worked with them as well.

[Orbitus]

I'm saying he isn't charged with anything.

YET. Mueller is barely talking to Trump right now.

[Cthulhu 2020]

You guys still engaging @lockedout just need to point to the fact that yes, in fact, Trump has been linked to Russia.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trum...ry?id=49472342

The letter of intent shows that not only as Trump fully aware of the Trump tower meeting but was all for it.

Collusion has been proven. Period. We're just waiting on Mueller to come out with everything else that we don't know about (the degree to which they colluded) as well as recommended charges.

[xanzul]

There is no proven collusion.

They asked Donald Rumsfeld if he was a lizard person and he dodged the question, so by your logic....

Stop trolling.