Every single Azerite Trait nerfed by 50% in PvP

[Kagthul]

What i love is that this nerfs traits that are basically FOR PvP.

Does anyone think Desperate Power (Afflock trait that buffs the amount HEALED by Drain Life when you're below 50% by a significant amount) is meant for PvE?

I mean, seriously.

Why even give it a higher value (and the lower value makes it nearly useless in PvP anyway).

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Are you sure about that?

I heard that azerites will remain and what is going away is the AP requirements to unlock the azerites.
In 8.2 you will be able to unlock all azerite traits without having to level AP.

Am i wrong and azerites are going away? That cant be true.

It is not.

You will no longer require a heart level to unlock Azerite Traits.

IN ADDITION, the Heart itself will gain abilities like your Artifact Weapon did. So we're getting MORE shit from Azerite that they wont be able to balance in PvP.

[Camodo]

I mean it kinda makes sense...adding another ring basically doubles the amount of azerite traits, a 50% nerf should keep the powerlevel overall similiar.

Then ad 50% nerf to the added extra ring...and it would be something to expect in the first season, by season 2 one would expect they solved their shitty system by then

[Kralljin]

Then ad 50% nerf to the added extra ring...and it would be something to expect in the first season

Then you'd still gain an overall 50% bonus from Azerite traits.
The intention is to keep the overall powerlevel in PvP the same, if you just nerf the *new* bonus by 50%, you'd still have an overall increase.

by season 2 one would expect they solved their shitty system by then

Going by the fact that the system receives a big overhaul in 8.2, you can guess that 8.1 updates did not significantly improve the system.

[Tyrannica]

Yes, it was bad...my DPS decreased A LOT.
I hope its the same for other classes...but if there is classes out there who dont rely on Azerites whatsoever....they are lucky now.

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Here is a list of all azerite traits that got nerfed in the past
This are the only ones where we wont notice much difference with the nerf.

The rest?
All other traits nerfed and possible future traits also nerfed.
This is a nightmare for me T_T

at the same time i noticed some healer buffs, in additon to the dps azerite trait nerfs, which are allready a healer buff......how can this make any sense?

Even with just a 3s balance in mind, i find that gross.

[Big Thanks]

at the same time i noticed some healer buffs, in additon to the dps azerite trait nerfs, which are allready a healer buff......how can this make any sense?

Even with just a 3s balance in mind, i find that gross.

I thought about it for a while...

And the one and only way for this nerf to be countered is to have 2 different traits...that do close to the same thing

For example a rogue with Ace up Your Sleeve and Deadshot...which both do close to the same thing.
This should counter the 50 % nerf.

But in all other situations, where you have traits that do different things....its done, its awful.

Because you have one trait improving the damage of frostbolt (nerfed by 50%)
And another trait improving the burst damage (nerfed by 50%)

Everything is nerfed 50% so you will do nothing in the end :S

my opinion

[Tyrannica]

I thought about it for a while...

And the one and only way for this nerf to be countered is to have 2 different traits...that do close to the same thing

For example a rogue with Ace up Your Sleeve and Deadshot...which both do close to the same thing.
This should counter the 50 % nerf.

But in all other situations, where you have traits that do different things....its done, its awful.

Because you have one trait improving the damage of frostbolt (nerfed by 50%)
And another trait improving the burst damage (nerfed by 50%)

Everything is nerfed 50% so you will do nothing in the end :S

my opinion

well, time to play Breath of Fire again, until devs fix all of that.

PvP felt much better in TBC era, heck even WoD era, just before Legion with thier new pvp system - i think i would have quitted the game, if i depended only on wow pvp nowdays....the azerite system unnerfed would have been a bit more interesting with the new 5th ring, but blizz detecded fun and nerfed accordingly!

[Fitzcairn]

Since the nerf i wonder if stats>traits in pvp ? I have 420 pve azerite traits but i have only 400 pvp azerite traits. Now the pvp traits got 50% nerf does the 420 pve traits with more intel/stamina is better than 400 pvp straits with less intel/stamina ? I'm not sure because less intel on the 400 pvp azerite stuff + nerf pvp traits in theory would not be enough to compete with 420 pve azerite stuff with better stats maybe.

[Big Thanks]

Since the nerf i wonder if stats>traits in pvp ? I have 420 pve azerite traits but i have only 400 pvp azerite traits. Now the pvp traits got 50% nerf does the 420 pve traits with more intel/stamina is better than 400 pvp straits with less intel/stamina ? I'm not sure because less intel on the 400 pvp azerite stuff + nerf pvp traits in theory would not be enough to compete with 420 pve azerite stuff with better stats maybe.

You ask a nice question to what i dont hve the answer

One one hand you have pvp item level scaling (so the improved stats you get from better ilvl are not as good as without scaling)
On the other hand you lose your best PvP talents...but they are 50% nerfed.

Which makes your character stronger? Better stats with scaling or better traits but 50% nerfed?

Humm...

[Fitzcairn]

I asked the same question on the Dreamgrove druid discord and some people think 420 would be better because stats more intel and more hp even with scalling would be better than low stats low health with traits pvp nerfer but well i'm not a specialist and it's only one point of view and that's why i open the debate here because i know there is several more experience player who i think could help to answer the issue

[Big Thanks]

I asked the same question on the Dreamgrove druid discord and some people think 420 would be better because stats more intel and more hp even with scalling would be better than low stats low health with traits pvp nerfer but well i'm not a specialist and it's only one point of view and that's why i open the debate here because i know there is several more experience player who i think could help to answer the issue

I was going to tell you the same thing (ilvl is better) but i didnt say anything because im not sure.
But my "gut feeling" is telling me ilvl is better.

But this is 100% gut feeling...with zero data to back me up.

My feeling comes from my experience in Duels with low item level chars VS high item level mirror matches.
Ilvl makes a huge difference there (370 DH VS 410 ilvl DH)
So from my experience in duels ilvl makes a huge difference...

Take this "data" with a grain of salt