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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    Yeah I've literally only killed the boss once on heroic. Missed last week from over sleeping.
    Happens to the best of us. :-)

    Doesn't help that for unholy at least our CDs are a tad longer and seldom really line up with trinkets.

    Also a pain that there's no real stat priority for DKs. I think it really impacts performance when you can't specialize.

    Frost might have it a tad easier.

  2. #82
    Quote Originally Posted by mizeri View Post
    i liked it, it was so simple lol
    Well, DW Frost overtook Blood quite easily and left it in the dust. So it was only king for one patch cycle which was Ulduar and a bit of ToC.
    “If you don't believe me that is too damn bad!”

  3. #83
    The wound mechanic is actually pretty annoying. Would love to go back to a dot/pet centered spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post

    Also a pain that there's no real stat priority for DKs. I think it really impacts performance when you can't specialize.
    I dunno about Frost, but it's basically still haste, unfortunately.

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    I want to add something important here that I feel often gets missed. Looking at the heroic data a 75th percentile DK parse for either spec is higher than the best performing specs 50th percentile parses. It is easy to get distracted by looking at how much better a shadow priest has it over an equally performing DK but to some extent that is a cop out. The far more interesting comparison is to look at how much damage a 75% DK does compared to a 50% DK, if you do that you will see that almost regardless of your current ability you can gain more DPS by upping your DK game than you can by swapping spec and playing some other spec at the same level you play DK now.

    It is easy to fall back on the excuse of saying "there's nothing I can do, it's just my spec" but the reality is that pretty much everyone (regardless of their class or spec or where the individual specs line up in competitiveness in the current tier) can gain far more just by improving their own play than they can by swapping to another class and playing it at the same level and doing so is both more rewarding in the short term since it means you can keep playing the spec you love while improving and keeping your raid spot very safe indeed and also more rewarding in the long term since you can effectively become immune to the typical back and forth of balance changes.

    I'm not trying to trivialise balance issues or dismiss them with a "lol get good" post, I just want to point out that to some extent it is disingenuous to complain about the fact that you could do more damage if you just rerolled warlock while failing to point out that by putting the same amount of hours and effort as it would take to level and gear an alt into improving your DK gameplay pretty much anyone can gain similar DPS increases without the need to reroll. Obviously the larger state of balance matters and no matter what you do in the current raid you won't be beating any very skilled warlocks but you know what, there aren't all that many very skilled warlocks out there but there is a hell of a lot of mediocre warlocks and as long as you are beating them your spot in your raid is safe as houses.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    I dunno about Frost, but it's basically still haste, unfortunately.
    Most times if you weigh out your stats you'll get everything simming extremely close together with just weapon damage and strength standing out.

    Not that you shouldn't aim for something like haste/mastery, but in really the amount of scaling per point seems extremely small in comparison to other classes - with the possible exception of mastery for blood.

  7. #87
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Most times if you weigh out your stats you'll get everything simming extremely close together with just weapon damage and strength standing out.

    Not that you shouldn't aim for something like haste/mastery, but in really the amount of scaling per point seems extremely small in comparison to other classes - with the possible exception of mastery for blood.
    You don't want Mastery for Blood. Versa/Haste is far better. Mastery is a preferred stat for M+ for unholy/frost for the raw aoe dps output DKs can dish out

  8. #88
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaver View Post
    Sometimes you're king sometimes you're shit.. stop crying... you can't be top of the charts all the time. End of story.
    This is the most shit type of answer. Acceptance of bad gameplay design
    DK faceroll omnomnom

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Most times if you weigh out your stats you'll get everything simming extremely close together with just weapon damage and strength standing out.

    Not that you shouldn't aim for something like haste/mastery, but in really the amount of scaling per point seems extremely small in comparison to other classes - with the possible exception of mastery for blood.
    It's still haste.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Th3Scourge View Post
    You don't want Mastery for Blood. Versa/Haste is far better. Mastery is a preferred stat for M+ for unholy/frost for the raw aoe dps output DKs can dish out
    I was speaking purely in regards to % gain per point. Vers seems flatline for just about everyone, but a lot of classes start with a secondary stat boost which can make adding onto that easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    It's still haste.
    It certainly leads but if you have a choice in armor that's a 15 level difference that was hate/mastery or haste/crit at 385 and your other option was verse/mastery at 400, you'd take the 400.

    Whereas on a fury warrior the 385 more often than not would sim higher depending on the level of haste.

    Strength just wins out for DKs to the point where you'll always pick the higher item level over attempting to maintain a specific secondary stat gearing.

    I'd still love to get to 25 to 30% haste on my Unholy but I don't see that coming anytime soon.

  11. #91
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    I was speaking purely in regards to % gain per point. Vers seems flatline for just about everyone, but a lot of classes start with a secondary stat boost which can make adding onto that easier.

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    It certainly leads but if you have a choice in armor that's a 15 level difference that was hate/mastery or haste/crit at 385 and your other option was verse/mastery at 400, you'd take the 400.

    Whereas on a fury warrior the 385 more often than not would sim higher depending on the level of haste.

    Strength just wins out for DKs to the point where you'll always pick the higher item level over attempting to maintain a specific secondary stat gearing.

    I'd still love to get to 25 to 30% haste on my Unholy but I don't see that coming anytime soon.
    Specifically for tanks because of the % damage reduction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    I was speaking purely in regards to % gain per point. Vers seems flatline for just about everyone, but a lot of classes start with a secondary stat boost which can make adding onto that easier.

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    It certainly leads but if you have a choice in armor that's a 15 level difference
    You're preaching to the choir. Maybe if I validated you before hand you wouldn't have felt the need?

    Our best traits are flat strength buffs. I think we know the strength of strength.

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