WarCraft III Megathread

[Nerovar]

Looks pretty bad to me.

[Skorpionss]

honestly...graphics aren't my problem....

Hell I fully expected a port of the old game with nicer graphics...which we got

no the only thing I'm pissed about is them gutting custom games.....literally the ONE thing I actually did after the campaign in WC3

What custom games did they gut though? I played Naruto vs One piece today, and saw a few maps of DBZ Tribute up as well...

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Looks pretty bad to me.

I don't know where that reforged version is from because it looks better ingame. I saw it before actually playing and was pissed too. And even then it still looks better than the old one lol.

[Beastiel]

new models are great, terrain could use some work but I guess that's the price of combining the new game with the old, though they should've just kept them separate.

[Redroniksre]

No one is "hating" on the graphics.

People are disappointed that they are not getting what was advertised to them.

This. I like the new graphics (i do think that the portraits have a weird glow to them) but i am still pissed off that we didn't get a reforged campaign like originally promised.

[Nerovar]

I don't know where that reforged version is from because it looks better ingame. I saw it before actually playing and was pissed too. And even then it still looks better than the old one lol.

I played a bit before I refunded it and it just looks worse. The lack of contrast, the weird pseudorealistic models that don't fit in with the cartoon environment, the lack of attention to detail (which can be seen in the picture I posted). Reforged may have a higher polygon count but WC3 looks like everything was painted by hand. Reforged just seems so bland and lifeless in comparison.

[Skorpionss]

I played a bit before I refunded it and it just looks worse. The lack of contrast, the weird pseudorealistic models that don't fit in with the cartoon environment, the lack of attention to detail (which can be seen in the picture I posted). Reforged may have a higher polygon count but WC3 looks like everything was painted by hand. Reforged just seems so bland and lifeless in comparison.

I dunno bro, I was blown away the moment the camera closes in on thrall when medivh shows himself in the horde exodus campaign, seeing the grass actually be 3D and stuff, it looked great to me. And it still looks great now, after arriving in Northrend.

Sorry to hear you don't like it.

[Shibito]

I love the new graphics

[Oneirophobia]

and that was..?

I'm being honest, Blizzard advertized this HD version, nothing more , nothing less.

Can we at least do a rudimentary google about the topic at hand before posting?
I'll never understand why people feel the need to post if they have no knowledge about what they're talking about.

* They advertised they were altering the campaign so that it better explains things that later happen in WoW, this was cut. At least they mentioned before beta concluded that this was going to be the case.

* They advertised (and still do to this very second on WC3's store page) that they were redoing the cinematics.

Over four hours of reforged cutscenes!

Not the case. They did less than 2 minutes of one "reforged" cutscene, it was outsourced to a third party in China and practically unfinished. The rest of the cutscenes are the exact same ones from the original game. They even scrapped the already completed cutscene for the Stratholme campaign mission they showed at blizzcon. For what reason, I'm not sure.

* They advertised they were going to update the in game interface, this was not the case and it still uses the original from the old games.

* I suppose you could argue that a functioning game was advertised, but I'll give that one to blizz as a freebie because bugs happen, but hot damn there is a lot of bugs. Like a LOT of bugs. Usually I'm lucky and don't get hit by too many but myself and the 3 friends who got the game with me to play together all had to do a registry flush and multiple reinstalls before the game would even work. It was worse than the beta we had been playing.


The entire reason they called the game "Warcraft 3: Reforged" was because they said they were reforging the game, not just reskinning it. They were recrafting the game to breathe new life into it. They REPEATEDLY told us this at blizzcon when it was announced.

Again, this was not the case. It is literally just a much buggier version of the first game with new models. That's it. It's a $40 skin pack.

That isn't what was advertised. So yes, definitely not "nothing less."

[aceperson]

I hear alot of negative towards the new graphics, but i gotta say one of the only things i like of Reforged is the actual new graphics.
I love the style, i think they did a great job on it.

Interested in others though.

if these graphics were what was advertised, i would be happy. problem is, this isn't what was advertised to us.

[EyeOculus]

Models, lip sync, animations, environment all quite beautiful and well done.

However, feels more like a HD remake than a reforged version, due to cinematics still being the old ones and nothing changed in gameplay or lore. I know many people of the community don't want any of that, but then what's the point of a reforged game if the only real difference comes In graphical advancements.

[Yoshingo]

yeah no, this was huge back when the game first got announced, i can go back and try to find it if you want, but like youtubers made entire videos on this subject of if the game should be a retelling, or a museum like classic.

lol a few people saying it does not mean it was some massive fan feedback. The only people I saw making any stink of it whatsoever were the same 10 troglodytes that whine about Christie Golden on every thread on here and the official forums.

I mean frankly its impressive how much you're willing to defend this piece of shit. I guess anything to justify the price point.

[Hctaz]

Oh I'm not saying to ignore the bugs and not be mad. But bugs aside this is exactly what a lot of people were asking for. We're seeing different kinds of bitching, but this is Blizzard. No matter what they did, there'd be an equivalent complaint over something else.

I'm not so sure... I mean you're ABSOLUTELY correct in saying that people would complain NO MATTER WHAT. I've played this game since Vanilla WoW and I've seen it all. Death Knights were going to ruin the game. Catch up gear was for babies. Heroics were too easy no wait now they're too hard... Now dungeons are too easy.. not enough raid difficulty too many raid difficulties. I've defended Blizzard and WoW up until Legion. I even defended WoD for the most part as the general systems were okay in my opinion they just failed to deliver content due to a lot of cutbacks. The gameplay was fine.

This? This I can't praise in the slightest, and I find myself agreeing with the people who are claiming they got scammed. They did NOT deliver what they advertised. They specifically mentioned that this was not going to be a 1 to 1 remake from the beginning. They have been specifically quoted referencing how the Starcraft Remaster was a true 1 to 1 remaster of that game and how they did not want to do the same thing. They stated that we were going to get 4+ hours of "REFORGED" cutscenes with the implication that they would be done differently. Not the lore part mind you, but the framing of the shot and the scenes. There's a reason why Warcraft 3: Reforged costs TWICE as much as StarCraft: Remastered. They even specifically referenced how the two would be different. StarCraft was a remaster, this was to be a REMAKE of the game, cutscenes and all. This isn't a remake though. At the end of the day, this is just a retexture just the same as SC1 but for twice as much and with the promise of being something bigger.

[Clone]

I dig it, it's a lot closer to the animated cinematics which is how I envisioned the game and WoW.

[Kpmk]

Basically this https://www.polygon.com/2019/11/1/20...f-warcraft-wow

uh definitely not. nobody wanted that

[Hctaz]

and that was..?

I'm being honest, Blizzard advertized this HD version, nothing more , nothing less.

They absolutely did not advertize this as an HD version.

"Warcraft 3: Reforged was developed with a different goal in mind than last year’s StarCraft: Remastered, Stillwell said.

“When we went to Korea [for StarCraft: Remastered] and talked with pros and people still playing in game rooms, the overwhelming feedback was ‘Please don’t change the game,’” Stillwell said. “‘Make it pretty, give us a modern matchmaker and then quietly step away, Blizzard.’ Getting those marching orders made the endeavor not just easier but more focused. But with [Warcraft 3: Reforged], we’ve talked with the communities in Europe and in China [who say], ‘Hey, we don’t think this game is done.’”

The goal is not just to give Warcraft 3 a new coat of paint, but “do more with it.”

https://www.polygon.com/blizzcon/201...ility-blizzcon

Please read this if you think they ever advertized it as an HD version. They specifically said that was NOT what this was.

[Clone]

Nope, youre wrong. Theyre reskins, on the same engine as original WC3, so that you can play with people, without Reforged, on bnet.



Again this is false. Its the exact same UI as original WC3. Menu screen isnt UI and its not as advertised in the video on: https://playwarcraft3.com/en-us/

You don't know what you are talking about.

[Hyral]

lol a few people saying it does not mean it was some massive fan feedback. The only people I saw making any stink of it whatsoever were the same 10 troglodytes that whine about Christie Golden on every thread on here and the official forums.

I mean frankly its impressive how much you're willing to defend this piece of shit. I guess anything to justify the price point.

I disagree with them but you aren't being fair. There was a big stink about it, I remember it because I rarely engage here but I also joined to voice my discontent about them trying to retcon things. And MMO-C isn't the only website, the negative feedback was present in other places as well, even the subreddit that used to shill reforge pretty strong.

And just before you start accusing, no I'm unhappy with reforge so this isn't defending it. But the negative feedback about the retconning was real, and honestly one of the few positives about the game.

[Yoshingo]

But the negative feedback about the retconning was real, and honestly one of the few positives about the game.

lol yeah we shouldn't touch the 12 year old esque AMAZING storyline of bad guy army beaten by good guy army.

The people bitching about the story 'retcons' are so ridiculous lol. You all realize that story is now not true, right? The things that conflict with WoW are the things that still did get retconned, right?

Well congratulations either way, you've been used as the excuse as to why they put out this complete mess.

[Zaeyla]

The reforged models are the only thing good about WC3:Reforged everything else looks sub-par and in many cases worse.
The animations look far more static and un-lifelike, some are outright missing or removed such as the Kael escort mission in the frozen throne where Tyrande stands on the bridge casting starfall only for the bridge to collapse under her in WC3:Reforged it just does a cut to black no animation like a budget indie company.
Some models look so drastically different that its hard to even notice that its them, for some bizarre never stated reason many remains scorched doodads and skeleton piles in the game files were removed and replaced with rocks (Probably China censorship but why the f leave it in the NA/EU versions?) this effects many custom maps and other scenes in game for the worst.
Also for some random bizarre reason trees and many other doodads/structures/units just outright don't have shadows anymore? How is it that a remaster of a game in 2020 has no shadows period yet the basic classic version from 2001 ROC had blob shadows for units and actually good fairly real looking shadows for tree's/doodads/structures.

There's literally no ladder or ranking system in the game that was there when WC3 ROC launched way back in 2001, No tournaments, No saving/loading of games beyond campaign, no custom campaign section any longer nor any offline singleplayer vs AI like there was before Reforged released.
This game is honestly so disappointing, I was a big fan of remastering the graphics and making it look like a modern game as well as redoing the campaign missions but not for this scam of a game where its missing golden features that were apart of the original release and just removed with no date set for their return.
Edit: Oh yeah why does the game look far worse than the 2018 blizzcon demo as well as the missing Stratholme cutscene that looked way better than the garbage that is ingame, What happened to the 4 hours of remastered cutscenes/cinematics not just one at the start of the entire cinematic the rest was just stretched to 1080p from what I can tell the quality still looks the same.

[Hyral]

lol yeah we shouldn't touch the 12 year old esque AMAZING storyline of bad guy army beaten by good guy army.

The people bitching about the story 'retcons' are so ridiculous lol. You all realize that story is now not true, right? The things that conflict with WoW are the things that still did get retconned, right?

Well congratulations either way, you've been used as the excuse as to why they put out this complete mess.

Alright? It's still true. There was a big stink about them retconning things and in the end they didn't do it. Hate me all you want, won't change it.