No Tier gear is the worst idea ever, ugh !!!

[niztheundead87]

people seem to forget how much they were crying for tier sets to be removed ,why cry now when they got what they wanted

[Weeps]

It's fun having 3 piece of tier n in your bags while you wear tier n-1.
It's fun having tier slots drop for the raid where they will be just vendored. Wasted loot is so fun.
It's fun getting big TF procs out of loot chests only to put it in the bank hoping to one day use it knowing you never will.
It's fun dying a little inside everytime your tier chest doesn't drop even though you have 6 pieces of tier gloves.
You should become a developer. You like crushing people trying to have fun.

Actually, yeah. I want TF gone. Only +5 warforge on whatever difficulty it dropped from.

Tier sets make it fun and separates class identity.

You clearly want all classes to look, feel and play the same. THAT IS AMAZING!

You should be a developer! You like crushing people who are trying to have fun!

[Sergio]

Apart from it not changing between specs, the Azerite system is superior to Tier Set Bonuses in every way.

LOL, no. The opposite actually, most of the problems with azerite are actually fixed by just going back to tier gear.
Bad things about azerite
1. Shitty acquisition - there's always a best piece from raid or w/e, and if you get unlucky and it never drops your shit out of luck. With tier you had different pieces that could provide the bonuses, so you weren't so reliant on one boss.
2. Stupid passive bonuses - the traits change gameplay little or not at all. Tier set bonuses allowed for a new change of gameplay every tier, it was perfect to keep things fresh. Azerite is just dumb, so you have some traits that change gameplay and other passives that don't and are usually stronger, so why bother going for the ones that change gameplay?
3. Titan residuum incentivizes people to be selfish and not trade gear even when they don't need it.
4. Reforging azerite is a terrible system as mentioned previously.

Honestly though, blizzard is scrapping the whole system next patch after basically admitting the system is garbage. The question is, what is there to like about this system?

[Moonshield13]

people seem to forget how much they were crying for tier sets to be removed ,why cry now when they got what they wanted

Wrong. Players didn't ask or cry for tier to be removed. When the decision to remove tier was announced for BFA, many players did hail it as a good decision. I suspect that if those players knew what replacement was coming their way in the form of Azerite gear, they would denounce that decision.

[niztheundead87]

Wrong. Players didn't ask or cry for tier to be removed. When the decision to remove tier was announced for BFA, many players did hail it as a good decision. I suspect that if those players knew what replacement was coming their way in the form of Azerite gear, they would denounce that decision.

Wrong people actually did

[Narzok]

tier sets would be fine, IF
the speccs would be enjoyable without them.

remember HFC? how half the speccs needed either the tier set, archy trinket or both to play well? scrap that shit.

[FelPlague]

Azerite gear would be way better than tier gear, since you could achieve the same things that tier does, but even with more options, but they shot themselves in the foot by placing so many wrong restrictions on it, especially acquiring it.

i mean... you acquire it the same way you did teir gear...
also it acheives more then teir gear did because you can select WHAT you want.
the only thing is bad is the restrictions.

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I've been thinking about Az gear and tbh with you, it's beginning to grow on me a bit. The major problem I have with it is the Heart, the neck.

The neck is what they're using to keep people logging in doing the miscellaneous, repetitive, inconsequential busy work, it's not necessarily the Az gear its self forcing you to do that. If all of it came with everything unlocked already, it'd be miles better.

Naztajar better be amazing.. Sick of this mediocre bullsh.

Azerite gear as a concept is bloody fucking amazing.
what is holding it back is a few things
having to earn traits by leveling. (being removed in 8.2 luckily)
and it not changing based on your spec...

those 2 things alone are what is holding it back in reality.
cause when you compare azerite to teir gear, azerite is LITERALLY teir gear, but you get to choose what bonus you want.

[Loveliest]

Because they said keeping multiple sets for one character is fun. I'm not sure, anyone find this fun? Especially since you can't switch gear in Mythic+ anymore.

[kail]

You have to remember that azerite armor is supposed to make up for what we lost in legion:

-Weapon traits (huge one)
-Pruned spells and put into talent trees
-Legiondaries
-Tier bonuses

So far azerite armor is only good enough to replace tier bonuses alone! Maybe a little bit of legiondaries.

So with that being said, the azerite armor system is an absolute failure.

Weapon traits where simply extra class passives that where worked for. Some where baked into the talent tree, others just made to baseline class passives. All of that is up to blizz design on how much extra passives they want to give classes. Legendaries fall under that too but ended up being the only customizable passives we had options for in Legion, the main flaw is relying on some super lucky drops in order to even play your class optimally.

Your issue seems to be with overall pruning (and I agree with you on that) but Azerite is simply the custom tier bonus, something Blizz could add different traits as tiered content is made. I've already said before I'd take Azerite gear over 2/4 set bonus any day, but I know the current system has its major flaws.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

LOL, no. The opposite actually, most of the problems with azerite are actually fixed by just going back to tier gear.
Bad things about azerite
1. Shitty acquisition - there's always a best piece from raid or w/e, and if you get unlucky and it never drops your shit out of luck. With tier you had different pieces that could provide the bonuses, so you weren't so reliant on one boss.
2. Stupid passive bonuses - the traits change gameplay little or not at all. Tier set bonuses allowed for a new change of gameplay every tier, it was perfect to keep things fresh. Azerite is just dumb, so you have some traits that change gameplay and other passives that don't and are usually stronger, so why bother going for the ones that change gameplay?
3. Titan residuum incentivizes people to be selfish and not trade gear even when they don't need it.
4. Reforging azerite is a terrible system as mentioned previously.

Honestly though, blizzard is scrapping the whole system next patch after basically admitting the system is garbage. The question is, what is there to like about this system?

Most of theses problems also apply to tier gear.
If you don’t get the pieces you need from the raid bosses you need your out of luck and won’t get your bonus.

A lot of tiers had stupid passives that did little for game play changes.

Needing x amount of pieces also leads to people not wanting to trade gear because if you have a 400 helm but need a lower ilvl helm for your bonus your not gonna want to trade.

The reforging is the only problem tier gear didn’t have.