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  1. #41
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    And you're talking about raids when I was talking about PVP... Lol.

    Let's face it, you can't read or you're going to take all that I say out of context and strawman it into your "advanced stats" about raids and percentiles and other crap that has nothing to do with my post whatsoever.

    Other classes that were very strong in the past, that have been visibly gutted also exist, so that logic kind of does FOLLOW. How a spec performs in PVP can affect how it's balanced in PVE, even having to say this is ridiculous.

    What does "it can be a top tier spec?" even mean? You're just stacking ambiguous statements on top of ambiguous statements now that don't have anything to do with my post.

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    Are people just conveniently forgetting about Legion? Warriors were good for the entirety of that expansion.
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  3. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by msdos View Post
    And you're talking about raids when I was talking about PVP... Lol.

    Let's face it, you can't read or you're going to take all that I say out of context and strawman it into your "advanced stats" about raids and percentiles and other crap that has nothing to do with my post whatsoever.

    Other classes that were very strong in the past, that have been visibly gutted also exist, so that logic kind of does FOLLOW. How a spec performs in PVP can affect how it's balanced in PVE, even having to say this is ridiculous.

    What does "it can be a top tier spec?" even mean? You're just stacking ambiguous statements on top of ambiguous statements now that don't have anything to do with my post.
    This is.....this is a PvE threat. The fuck are you doing here if you're only offering a PvP perspective? And random BGs? I'm not throwing around "advanced stats" or strawmmans or anything ambiguous, You just have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about.

    Go duel in front of Orgrimmar, Christ.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Seramore View Post
    Are people just conveniently forgetting about Legion? Warriors were good for the entirety of that expansion.
    These threads are always about bringing up the times the class/spec was bad while utterly ignoring the times where it was good. Since HFC a Warrior DPS spec has been great or outright dominant in every single raid save ToV; HFC was Arms city, so was EN, Nighthold was Fury's time to shine, ToS was Arms again, Antorus allowed Fury to be an almost number 1 spec thanks to broken leggy effects and execute, and Uldir's fight design was downright perfect for Arms. BoD is the first main raid since Blackrock Foundry where neither of our DPS specs are in a great spot, and even Fury isn't bad and we still had two Warriors in the world first Jaina kill.

    So yes, people really are conveniently forgetting everything that doesn't fit the "woe is me, my class is poorly, pls buff blizz" agenda.

  5. #45
    Yeah, one of the worst classes since wotlk Sad state of class design indeed. That's why I rerolled to mage, just to have that nerfbat again. WoW sux.

  6. #46
    You don't really see warriors in the arena tournament winning much at the moment. When was the last time a team with a warrior won Blizzcon arena tournament? WOTLK?

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by Manakuski View Post
    You don't really see warriors in the arena tournament winning much at the moment. When was the last time a team with a warrior won Blizzcon arena tournament? WOTLK?
    Didn't turbo win like 2 years ago?

    There are many classe which have never won Blizzcon.

    How do you think they feel?

  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Like I said, I don't often play arms.

    You are flat out wrong though on the leaving behind of warrior tanks and the requirement of buffs.

    Fury warriors had to be nerfed at Naxx - they did a 23 fury warriors, prot paladin and druid healer Sarth 3D. Each fury warrior had a Betrayer of Humanity - the first weapon to break 1K on upper end damage per swing.

    They also went through multiple tunings of Titan's Grip, warriors still gained 1 attack power from agility which made the best armor in ICC for fury warriors the Ikfirus' sack of wonders since it had high armor penetration and crit and you could gem more armor penetration. (It was also the best in slot chest item for ret paladins.)

    Oh and because of Armor Penetration for those doing TotGC physical dps were already starting to exceed 100% armor pen.

    This isn't to say that divine storm span ret paladins weren't pulling ahead but frankly we all knew that ret paladins would be pushing high simply because of the expansion - not to mention auto-crits on exorcism.
    This isn't to say that divine storm span ret paladins weren't pulling ahead
    like i said pallys did more dps then both arms and fury

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craaazyyy View Post
    warriors were op in vanilla.. all specs were good and obviously prot was the only tank

    in tbc warriors were again amazing, the best tanks still for the most part and arms was op in pvp for the majority of TBC

    in wrath warriors were still good tanks, but obviously werent the outright the best anymore, in pvp they were really good and were really good as dps in all specs in pve

    in cata warriors were insane at the beginning in both pve and pvp then they got nerfed and were mediocre in pvp, but really good in pve especially arms in DS

    in MoP warriors were really throughout entire expansion in PvP(and were broken at the start) and were rather fine in pve

    in WoD warriors were really good in pvp throughout expansion and were good in pve

    so i dont know what you talking about, mate
    in wrath warriors were still good tanks, but obviously werent the outright the best anymore, in pvp they were really good and were really good as dps in all specs in pve

    did you even play wrath?warriors were the worst class in game until massive hot fixes were added,something blizz says they do not do only in between x-pacs unless its a must. lets see s5+ ring a bell?talents like juggernaut UA got added later on like mid x-pac cause warriors were so bad. crap in both pvp and pve dps and 4th best tanks....

    when warriors "got good" in wraths pvp?after massive buffs and a shit ton of bis raid gear with arp on it. and then arms still needed to be backed by op'ed pallys and even then arms damage was just = to rets and dks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilmour View Post
    I know the feeling. Only m+10 and above I can get into is when my brother calls me in his key (he is tank). I can spend two hours queueing with resulting only a headache and frustration.

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    If you do +10 then why do you not use your key the next week. You know. Start your own groups? Isn't that a lot quicker than "spending 2 hours" (probably more like 12 minutes) in queue? Why do you have to be carried all the time?
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    why so mad bro

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by meathead View Post
    This isn't to say that divine storm span ret paladins weren't pulling ahead
    like i said pallys did more dps then both arms and fury

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    in wrath warriors were still good tanks, but obviously werent the outright the best anymore, in pvp they were really good and were really good as dps in all specs in pve

    did you even play wrath?warriors were the worst class in game until massive hot fixes were added,something blizz says they do not do only in between x-pacs unless its a must. lets see s5+ ring a bell?talents like juggernaut UA got added later on like mid x-pac cause warriors were so bad. crap in both pvp and pve dps and 4th best tanks....

    when warriors "got good" in wraths pvp?after massive buffs and a shit ton of bis raid gear with arp on it. and then arms still needed to be backed by op'ed pallys and even then arms damage was just = to rets and dks.
    you have no idea what you talking about.. warriors were good in pvp throughout wrath lmao

    maybe outside of very beginning, but mostly because other melee dps were just broken, not that warriors were straight up garbage

    also i said they were good in wrath.. i didnt know that wrath meant like 3 months of it
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  11. #51
    this is not true.

    warror is very hot now, you will get intant invite if queue as tank.

    the only other class as hot as warrior is resto druid and rogue dps, but there are plenty of them.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Craaazyyy View Post
    you have no idea what you talking about.. warriors were good in pvp throughout wrath lmao

    maybe outside of very beginning, but mostly because other melee dps were just broken, not that warriors were straight up garbage

    also i said they were good in wrath.. i didnt know that wrath meant like 3 months of it
    your straight up lying or are totally clueless im guessing both!

    you just contradicted yourself big time yet you tell me im wrong lol.
    you claim warriors were good in pvp throughout wrath "thats false/a lie" then turn around and say warriors were bad but only for 3 months.. lol. did you even play wrath live?

    does s5 not ring a bell?season 5 alone was 5+months long December 2008 to April 2009 ....wow see that almost half a year being the worse CLASS/spec in game in both pvp and pve. wrath started in December 2008 and ended with the start of Cataclysm in December 2010 thats 2 years.... looks like your wrong again see how that works?with facts and proof of game knowledge its easy to prove someone like you wrong.

    yes other melee like pallys and dks all 3 specs heals dps and tanks in both pvp and pve were 100% op'ed and broken making warriors even worse and taking every spot from warriors, again ty for proving me correct

    im not sure what your motive is but anyone who play live wrath knows how bad warriors had it until middle x-pac after MASSIVE damage buffs and ne talents. yet even then pallys and dks could do what warrior could do and then some in both pvp and pve. its funny really people like you cant remember fury needing damage buffs so they coudl raid... or prot warriors being told take a seat we got a dks or pally and the same two class dks and pallys did way more damage then arms and fury for about 3/4ths of wrath. that is until buffs came for warriors the fury was haed in PVE ONLY and arms was still behind both pally and dks in pve dps.

    the ONLY spot arms got a role in was ms bots in 3v3 running something like TSG "dk and pally" shocking right?then again in 2's with a pally "always a pally wonder why" yet 2v2 did not matter as blizz scrapped that bracket after pallys and dks broken it. its funny you sit here and say warrior "were good" but call other melee broken op'ed....

  13. #53
    Classic come's out soon and you can just go back to being the only class that matter's for tanking. You're still paying for in Modern WoW, so you might as well enjoy it.

  14. #54
    I agree with the Warrior toolkit being bad currently.
    DH brings Magic dmg buff + Darkness (AOE defensive spell) + AOE stun.
    Monk brings physical dmg buff + ring of peace + AOE stun.
    Dps Warriors can clearly not compete with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group
    Put your big boy pants and queue as a tank ??? They are litteraly the best tank for M+
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  17. #57
    If you are not the best, you are not playing your best. This isnt true only for players that play in the top-end guilds/pvp.

    The 1-5% difference in classes wont help you if you get 70-80% of your class potential and surely most people do exacly that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Season2mask View Post
    As I've sat here for half an hour being declined by every m+ group even though I have more than enough experience, I find myself thinking about warriors. I've only played one since cata but in my personal view, and it might be very wrong, that warrs are never great. If memory serves me well, they're usually not bad, but have they ever been a class you actually want to see? We bring nothing of real value that other classes bring.

    While I'm ranting about warrs, it also seems like other classes, those that always seem to be good, locks and rogues etc, are always allowed to stay at the top, and whenever warriors look like they might be worth considering, Blizzard descends on them because no fun is allowed.
    they have been good over and over since vanilla.
    you are literally pulling a
    "my spec is not doing good right now? MY SPEC HAS NEVER EVER BEEN GOOD!"
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  19. #59
    Why are so many of you people acting like victims?

    I'm fucking tired of the victim complex shit. Warriors were fucking MONSTERS from Vanilla until the end Wrath/Mop. They recently flattened the weapon DPS scaling curve do to warriors being so reliant on wep damage.

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    They only became monsters the last 2 tiers every expansion. They were mediocre-good until ilvl inflated and their scaling took advantage.

    You're right that they were never bad, though. The community is just a feast or famine mindset. You're either complete shit or overpowered.
    Pretty much every class/spec is viable, but they get suckered into pretending they're part of the top tier/competitive scene and let that meta dictate everything.

    Its just a sickness that ruins the entire community, unfortunately.

    I'm more concerned about the mind numbing gameplay over the numbers. I wish they gave Warriors interesting talent options that improve the compexity.
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