The Unholy M+ Build - what is it?

[Yhcti]

Hi all. So I've read a wee bit but couldn't find much info on it, mostly regarding what traits to take? I had been gearing as Blood until I heard jdotb mention how insane Unholy can be in m+ now with the stacking and remembered the PTR pulls shakib had been doing.

I know you need 3 festermight (which I have!) But what are the other traits you need? Treacherous covenant, hellchains, last surprise?

Cheers.

[Kendros]

I personaly dont like last surprise its too random, but if you can choose go with hellchains its good for aoe and st.

[Sulika]

Ideally you want Festermight + (Helchains or Treacherous Covenant) + Overwhelming Power on all your items for M+. More Treacherous Covenent makes you a bit better for single target and more Helchains makes you a bit better for AoE. In practical terms you just have to make do with the best you can get from the gear you find. The Mythic+ section of the Unholy DK guide on wowhead goes into different builds you might run and what you might want to change based on the affix combinations of a given week and is both very good and very thorough.

[msdos]

For M+, prolly Helchains. Aoe cleave is already our niche though. You could have 3x festermight and still get good results.

Last Surprise is probably the worst of all of them in terms of consistency.

[Yhcti]

I've managed to somehow get 2 hellchains and 3 festermight and my gosh im doing so much AoE lol... It's absurd.

[Th3Scourge]

I'm running with 3x Treacherous Covenant, 2x Festermight and 1x Magus of the Dead.

I'd prefer to have Helchains instead of MotD but I'd have to trade out treacherous covenant stacks to do so, and TC is amazing. The amount of strength I am able to stack is insane, and Fallen Crusader scales amazingly well with it.

[Yhcti]

I'm running with 3x Treacherous Covenant, 2x Festermight and 1x Magus of the Dead.

I'd prefer to have Helchains instead of MotD but I'd have to trade out treacherous covenant stacks to do so, and TC is amazing. The amount of strength I am able to stack is insane, and Fallen Crusader scales amazingly well with it.

That sounds like pure heaven... TC is only on raid gear isnt it? Im no raider, sad times.

[Th3Scourge]

That sounds like pure heaven... TC is only on raid gear isnt it? Im no raider, sad times.

You could run LFR for the pieces if raiding isn't your thing

[Nnyco]

If you run last suprise, be ready to get some headache because that trait is such a bitch to use effectively.

Just go with festermight and helchains.

[Nayami]

Tbh, I think Last Surprise is pretty decent and it makes our ghouls less bland. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer Festermight/Helchains/TC, but if you end up with Last Surprise then try to always open with FSx2 and Apocalypse on trash in dungeons and their explosion should trigger before the mobs die. Also try to gain as many Festermight stacks as possible before they explode and you'll see some sick burst with FM, FC and trinket procs. Of course, it's not always so reliable and it sucks when you gotta switch to a target that's slightly far off as they'll most probably explode mid-way and hit nothing, but we do what we can I guess if we end up with this trait.

Personally, I would love to have it as a passive ability again like we did in Legion. Our ghouls feel so boring nowadays when all they do is auto-attack. I wish they would spam taunt like our old AoTD / druid treants / Earth ele, that'd be nice to have for dungeons. Those sweet debuffs they applied in Legion would be pretty nice as well.

[msdos]

Personally, I would love to have it as a passive ability again like we did in Legion

The azerite traits are on the verge of ticking me off in the sense that they're adding things that are aesthetic and cool and could be a part of the class, but all this stuff is gonna be scrapped. Knowing all of it is temporary makes this game seem so damn pointless and lazy.

I was using the Magus trait just because it summons the skeletal mage and looks cool.

Are they ever gonna add cool, PERMANENT stuff to the classes ever again? The damn game feels so dead creatively.

[Ange]

Aoe cleave is already our niche though.

AoE is solid but do not exaggerate. Unholy doesnt even touch Outlaw/DH/Shadow at reaping waves. The setup time is way to long for any keys and the burst peak is not even close to DH/Outlaw (500-1000k). In ever other situation Unholy its even worse, since 3-5 target cleave is not a very strong area for unholy.

The sad part comes when you hear how DH/Outlaw are sad about the individual ST dps, while hovering miles above Unholys on ST.

And if you really want to punish your class choice with a reality check, join a Protwarrior/Outlaw/DH meta with your unholy - but wait, overgear everyone by a solid 10-15ilvl - and enjoy your ride as not only the most useless, least defensive but as the worst DPS against debuffless/nonrampup/nonsetup/burst specs.

Have fun defending the current balancing. ^^

[msdos]

AoE is solid but do not exaggerate.

I don't think you know what the word niche means.

[Greengrim]

You can look on bloodmallet, and pick the best combination based on the gear you currently have.

[apkwebs]

I personaly dont like last surprise its too random, but if you can choose go with hellchains its good for aoe and st.

[Greengrim]

Just pick all the Hellchains + Festermights you can get. Treacherous Covenant is 1. raid-only obtainable and 2. behind the traits I mentioned.

Last Surprise is by no means random and could net you quite big numbers if used well. It's worth picking it up once or twice in higher keys (10+) but never over Hellchains or Festermight. It requires a bit of planning ahead - pinpoint some trash packs on which you want to use it. You will have Apoc approximately every second pull.

And lastly a few words for those who are banging on DK's dps. I'm actually quite happy with my UH DK in M+ currently. I mainly have experience with +10 PuGs but also have some friends (good and geared players) which occasionally pick me up in their group. I am 385 geared with non-ideal traits and still manage to stay very close to the DH (~400ilvl). I just plan my Last Surprise procs and RP pooling in order to sustain higher AoE output.

[msdos]

I maintain like 50k on reaping and 30k on big packs with Festermightx3 and 20% haste. Unholy M+ dps is in the upper echelon with DH and Ele, I'm not sure what other spec can do this much damage on trash packs, possibly Demo lock? No one wants to play the AOE specialists, they kinda all wanna play the single target raid meter monster.

Even my raid damage is respectable though. If they lowered the CD on Army, this spec would be in a very very good spot.

[Th3Scourge]

I maintain like 50k on reaping and 30k on big packs with Festermightx3 and 20% haste. Unholy M+ dps is in the upper echelon with DH and Ele, I'm not sure what other spec can do this much damage on trash packs, possibly Demo lock? No one wants to play the AOE specialists, they kinda all wanna play the single target raid meter monster.

Even my raid damage is respectable though. If they lowered the CD on Army, this spec would be in a very very good spot.

We are insanely strong in M+ for our sustained AoE, I'm finding Ret pallies and DH only really keep up with its output. The issue is we lack the survivability in higher keys compared to other melee

[knightblazer85]

does magus of the dead stack?

[Galathir]

Someone used "Raise Dead" on this thread.

P.s. to not (just) be a dick and actually answer: I have two stacks on my main, using Army I get one Magus but according to Bloodmallet every stack increases the DPS of the trait by about 100% regardless so there's no DR.