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  1. #221
    Quote Originally Posted by AceofH View Post
    you realize the national average is 4% right? so NY is above the national average....
    I know and the gdp is well above the average to make up for it they can afford this unlike like other places.

    https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm

    3.9% as of jan 2019.
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  2. #222
    Quote Originally Posted by foofoocuddlypoopz View Post
    I know and the gdp is well above the average to make up for it they can afford this unlike like other places.
    and yet that still does nothing for those who want JOBS.

    GDP THIS GDP THAT.

    PEOPLE WANT JOBS!

  3. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by AceofH View Post
    and yet that still does nothing for those who want JOBS.

    GDP THIS GDP THAT.

    PEOPLE WANT JOBS!
    They're getting those jobs though 3.9% unemployment now without Amazon. Amazon would've driven up rent, inflation, and traffic. An area that could handled the commerce got an amazon building though. They can afford to look at other means rather than taking any deal unlike the bottom performing states. I wish bigger area used there leverage more honestly. Amazon needs those areas as much as they need amazon because of the talent pool.

    https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
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  4. #224
    Quote Originally Posted by foofoocuddlypoopz View Post
    They're getting those jobs though 3.9% unemployment now without Amazon. Amazon would've driven up rent, inflation, and traffic. An area that could handled the commerce got an amazon building though. They can afford to look at other means rather than taking any deal.

    https://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm
    and now they are likely to go to texas, which has a lower UR then new york.

  5. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Norway is a pretty bad example. Much of their economy is on oil. Probably a better one would be Germany.

    Also, we have far more people than we have wealth? Have you seen the US military budget? Why is the US still spending like it's in WW2.
    The problem with that is germany is a terrible example and is not something we should emulate at all. Norway is a good example but can't be applied in the US. Germany is a bad example that I would not want applied in the US. I think a lot of people misunderstand a lot of europe's systems and just think the grass is greener. They think, "Oh taxes are higher so they have more and better programs to help people".

    In reality germany taxes the poor far more than the US does. In the US your taxes are really low until you start getting into the top 1% ranges. The rich in the US already pay like half of all income taxes. The poor and middle classes pay like half of what is paid in germany and then they also receive the majority of benefits on top of that. The US system is far more beneficial to the lower classes already and yet people think it is unfair to the poor for some reason.

    As for the amount of money we have I believe I already said, but just to reiterate we simply do not collect enough money in taxes to pay for programs like that even if ALL of our income and payroll taxes went towards it. Where do you think that money will come from? The military budget is nothing compared to how much we would have to increase taxes to pay for all that. A major factor that a lot of people overlook with that is you can't just get more tax revenue by increasing tax rates. It is unfortunately not that simple. If you raise taxes that will put more burden on the top 1% who already pay about half of our total income taxes and they will just work harder to avoid paying taxes. Ultimately if you expect them to pay twice what they are paying now which would be bare minimum necessary to achieve programs like that, many of them would just stop investing and/or leave the country and we would lose tax revenue. There is nothing keeping them here and making them invest in our economy.

  6. #226
    Quote Originally Posted by AceofH View Post
    and now they are likely to go to texas, which has a lower UR then new york.
    Ok they are still doing fine without amazon and the unemployment rate is still falling... Like what's your point? Texas is starting to experience the same problems as California because of it's over friendlyness to business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dippinsawse View Post
    The problem with that is germany is a terrible example and is not something we should emulate at all. Norway is a good example but can't be applied in the US. Germany is a bad example that I would not want applied in the US. I think a lot of people misunderstand a lot of europe's systems and just think the grass is greener. They think, "Oh taxes are higher so they have more and better programs to help people".

    In reality germany taxes the poor far more than the US does. In the US your taxes are really low until you start getting into the top 1% ranges. The rich in the US already pay like half of all income taxes. The poor and middle classes pay like half of what is paid in germany and then they also receive the majority of benefits on top of that. The US system is far more beneficial to the lower classes already and yet people think it is unfair to the poor for some reason.

    As for the amount of money we have I believe I already said, but just to reiterate we simply do not collect enough money in taxes to pay for programs like that even if ALL of our income and payroll taxes went towards it. Where do you think that money will come from? The military budget is nothing compared to how much we would have to increase taxes to pay for all that. A major factor that a lot of people overlook with that is you can't just get more tax revenue by increasing tax rates. It is unfortunately not that simple. If you raise taxes that will put more burden on the top 1% who already pay about half of our total income taxes and they will just work harder to avoid paying taxes. Ultimately if you expect them to pay twice what they are paying now which would be bare minimum necessary to achieve programs like that, many of them would just stop investing and/or leave the country and we would lose tax revenue. There is nothing keeping them here and making them invest in our economy.
    Social security can easily be reformed. Military spending gutted to 1950 levels plus social security reformed, and we solve your paragraph problem with one sentence.
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  8. #228
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    The buying power of min wage... Lets not deal with fantasy, but with what is.
    After all, we already have plenty of red states getting plenty of government funding. Which may be the example you should scrutinize.
    There is no way to turn the rejection of enormous investment into a good thing, regardless of how you would try to derail this.

  9. #229
    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    Social security can easily be reformed. Military spending gutted to 1950 levels plus social security reformed, and we solve your paragraph problem with one sentence.
    It's really not that easy at all. What you are saying is completely ignorant of reality. I'm not putting you down or calling you stupid or anything, but I have pointed out multiple times that we literally don't have money for this. We already can't pay the social services we have right now. Even if we completely eliminated military spending we wouldn't be able to reach net zero yearly deficit growth, let alone pay for programs that would cost trillions on top of that.

    The income required for that does not exist. And the government's ability to create that income also likely does not exist because as I said the top 1% already pay like half of total income taxes. They also collectively only pay a rate of like 10% on their income in taxes. So if you raise taxes you aren't going to really be getting their money, they already avoid a ton of taxes as it is and pretty much pay what they want to pay. If you raise taxes they will either avoid it or they will stop investing/move their wealth out of the country and that would just make things worse. And the lower classes in the US already pay low tax rates and receive most benefits so trying to tax them in order to give them healthcare they already have doesn't really do anything except convince people the government is useful when it didn't really do anything.

  10. #230
    Quote Originally Posted by foofoocuddlypoopz View Post
    I'm 50/50 amazon moving in would have raised rent and hurt citizens. They can also get another deal in the future. New york also has an unemployment rate of 4.5%. There are smaller areas that could use the jobs and the other hq is getting built there. Google moved into to new york and rent went up massively. Citzens well beings over some change isn't a bad thing. Well it's change to new york, Texas, and california.

    New yorks current gdp is 1.103 trillion USD and 13 billion is fucking change in comparison.
    You know what multiplier is right? Its not only 13 billion.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

  11. #231
    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemente Feliz View Post
    You know what multiplier is right? Its not only 13 billion.
    What's the total? The money from wages would've been around 40 million a year while making life worse for people who live in the actual city.
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