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    UK: 7 High ranking labour MP's quit party, Tory's facing own break up.

    7 High ranking labour MP's have quit the party to form there own group today lead by chuka ummuna.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-politics-live

    In other news tory brexiteers are beginning a deselection purge of moderates in the party with 2 more names up for deselection at the annual conference.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tel...-meetings/amp/

    The movement nick named "purple momentum" has been gathering pace in recent days, hoping to change the face of the tory party to a more hardlined eurosceptic one.

    It seems in the UK, our two main party's are tearing themselves apart, brexit has been a devisive issue in both party's but its uncovered massive schism's between internal ideologys with progressive labour MP's finding better allies on the brexit issue with the tory free market capitalists then there unionist roots, and vice versa for the nationalist elements of the tory party and the unionists.

    Only time will tell how chuck's new Labour 2.0 will turn out, what the effect of losing 7 MP's will be to labour's ability to pose opposition, and also what the fallout will be of the tory plot to shed remainers.

    Not to mention the growing specter of a far more right leaning ukip waiting like a hawk in the wings.

    Looks like its gonna be an interesting time in downing Street in the next few months.

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    Seriously. The political and economic fiasco that is Brexit just keeps on giving.

    The people in parliament left with a shred of fucking sanity need to abandon party politics and halt the entire Brexit process. A new referendum needs to be called, where the two sides, Remain and Leave clarify what their positions will exactly entail.

    Let's be honest, the issue here is that Leave needs to fucking clarify what "leave" means and what's the plan for achieving that is. Is it Norway +, is it Canada +, is it nothing etc.

    The referendum should have never been called in the first place, but as the damage is already done, this would really be the only way to mitigate the damage being done.

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    The Brexit is going to be amazing for a lot of rich people and businesses. UK citizen are going to lose a lot of rights and laws made to protect them. Their current politicians are to ignorant and self-absorbed to deal with these kind of things as they have ideological matters to tend to that are far more important to them. They'll not want to lose face after a hard-Brexit and will try and make deals asap to prove to their voters that they were right all along and by doing so they cut many corners. This is exactly what these predatory businesses want, and the ones that'll pay the price are the British citizen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    They should just join the liberal democrats (for Americans out there that is a fairly centrist party), from what I can see they are pretty much in line with them.

    I think Labour's general direction is fine, but some of the criticism is true, Corbyn has some pretty weird opinions that seem to belong in the past, even the extreme left in Denmark wouldn't agree with him.
    He's a proper old-school socialist, keeping the red flag flying.

    Total fucking nightmare, and unelectable, they should have aced the last general election against a hugely unpopular Tory party, and his leadership is the reason they didn't.

    edit: And I think more will eventually leave Labour over him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khetagurov View Post
    He's a proper old-school socialist, keeping the red flag flying.

    Total fucking nightmare, and unelectable, they should have aced the last general election against a hugely unpopular Tory party, and his leadership is the reason they didn't.

    edit: And I think more will eventually leave Labour over him.
    Corbyn wiped out the tory majority against all expectations, outperforming the previous two centre-left Labour leaders, just 1% behind the Tories.

    Undoubtedly he would have won but for his own parliamentary party repeatedly trying to stab him in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slathworpe View Post
    Corbyn wiped out the tory majority against all expectations, outperforming the previous two centre-left Labour leaders, just 1% behind the Tories.

    Undoubtedly he would have won but for his own parliamentary party repeatedly trying to stab him in the back.
    Third way centrism was a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Third way centrism was a mistake.
    Weird fact: the phrase "third way" was first used to describe fascism, with its combination of private industry and strong state control.

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    lmao looking on twitter only one of the mps is even trending and it's because she was being racist on the telly. Well done lads and lasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctd12345 View Post
    Not seeing this on the BBC Politics section yet. No doubt they are working on a piece as we speak though about this crisis in our newest totally not a party party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maklor View Post
    Blair kindda ruined the party.
    Ruining a party by making them electable is truly a terrible thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I honestly wonder exactly how is this group ideologically different from LibDem?
    Oh it's very different and definitely not a party, like you say, it's a group. Otherwise they would join the Lib Dems or declare themselves as a party and trigger those bi-elections and totally not be ousted.

    Last edited by Kronik85; 2019-02-18 at 06:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kronik85 View Post
    Oh it's very different and definitely not a party, like you say, it's a group. Otherwise they would join the Lib Dems or declare themselves as a party and trigger those bi-elections and totally not be ousted.

    We elect the individual not the party. There would only be a by-election if the MP decided to resign.

    Is there a by-election if an MP changes Party?

    No, by-elections are not automatically triggered if an MP changes his or her party affiliation although an MP may choose to stand down and fight the ensuing by-election under a new party label or as an independent Member.


    https://researchbriefings.parliament...ummary/SN02537

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    Quote Originally Posted by slathworpe View Post
    Corbyn wiped out the tory majority against all expectations, outperforming the previous two centre-left Labour leaders, just 1% behind the Tories.

    Undoubtedly he would have won but for his own parliamentary party repeatedly trying to stab him in the back.
    Corbyn only came close because May read a book called how to do everything wrong in a campaign and followed it to the letter. An actual leader with the backing of the MPs would have likely won the election and right now wouldn't be struggling against May. They'd have her on the ropes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallisto View Post
    Corbyn only came close because May read a book called how to do everything wrong in a campaign and followed it to the letter. An actual leader with the backing of the MPs would have likely won the election and right now wouldn't be struggling against May. They'd have her on the ropes.
    All the more reason to get rid of the blairites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slathworpe View Post
    Corbyn wiped out the tory majority against all expectations, outperforming the previous two centre-left Labour leaders, just 1% behind the Tories
    He lost an election with remainer and youth support (both damaged by what came after, remainer support almost completely now that he actually supports no deal brexit over a people's vote) against the worst Conservative candidate and campaign in the history of the Conservative party. Can you even begin to imagine what % majority Tony Blair would have gained vs May?

    Something something Iraq something something?

    Quote Originally Posted by slathworpe View Post
    Undoubtedly he would have won but for his own parliamentary party repeatedly trying to stab him in the back
    "And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling MPs"

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    All the more reason to get rid of the blairites.
    Corbyn's Brexit strategy is to enable a Tory no deal Brexit and hope to get elected in the aftermath - the more Labour MPs who put country above party by leaving that mess, the better.
    Last edited by Dizzeeyooo; 2019-02-18 at 07:51 PM.

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    Anna Soubry has removed references to the Conservative party from her Twitter account:

    https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry

    First Tory to leave?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salty Shadow Priest View Post
    Anna Soubry has removed references to the Conservative party from her Twitter account:

    https://twitter.com/Anna_Soubry

    First Tory to leave?
    Ooh! It would only take her and two more to effectively remove the Cons working majority.

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    "Good to know that Chuka now believes if an organisation cannot be reformed from within then you should Leave. #betteroffout"

    https://twitter.com/wallaceme/status...43893749170176

    Hear Hear!
    13/11/2022 Sir Keir Starmer. "Brexit is safe in my hands, Let me be really clear about Brexit. There is no case for going back into the EU and no case for going into the single market or customs union. Freedom of movement is over"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    He lost an election with remainer and youth support (both damaged by what came after, remainer support almost completely now that he actually supports no deal brexit over a people's vote) against the worst Conservative candidate and campaign in the history of the Conservative party. Can you even begin to imagine what % majority Tony Blair would have gained vs May?

    Yes, I can, because polling has been done on that and Tony Blair is no longer popular within the party or outside it.

    The conservative candidate Teresa May, is not the worst candidate ever, she is more popular than her predecessor David Cameron, who soundly defeated the previous two centre-left labour candidates.

    What you seem to be unaware of is that in the last decade we have seen a major concentration of wealth at the top and every demographic trend suggests populist policies on the far left and far right are becoming more popular. This has been a trend replicated in every major democracy I can think of. The centre-left is being decimated everywhere.

    In any case, I would not vote for Tony Blair or any centre-left candidate because there was little actual difference between New Labour and the Tories. It is like a lamb choosing which butcher they want to be slaughtered by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzeeyooo View Post
    "And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those meddling MPs"
    It is absurd to think a party united behind Corbyn wouldn't have gained an extra 1% of the vote.
    Last edited by slartworp; 2019-02-18 at 09:39 PM.

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    Thanks for bringing Trump into this...it completely invalidates whatever shit-point you're trying to make.

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