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  1. #161
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    Quote Originally Posted by eduwneso View Post
    shhh you will make their dream bubbles explode, (they still don't know that reality is out of the game and not the game)

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    I don't want to be a jerk here but I think the title itself of the achievment should tell you that you need them even if blizzard never said it, I mean, If you don't have those achievments then you would not be friendly with them and that doesn't really make sense.
    I thought exalted with Proudmoore Admirality and Zandalar Empire along with the Tides of Vengeance war campaigns would be sufficient. Zandalar Forever/A Nation United sounds more like the requirements for flying which makes me wonder what the requirements for flying will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    No, because if your Race is available day 1, you can level it from the first day of the expac, be ready to do dungeons/raid directly.

    With the Races being released 6 months in, in the middle of one tier, the only choice is race swap / level boost if you don't want to be left behind in terms of progress (especially now we have grindy bullshit like Artifact weapons/neck, every week you miss is an important downgrade).
    You would be behind either way the difference is being behind at launch when there are no catch ups or being behind when there are catch ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Not a good reason sorry. You just basically confirmed that allied races intent is profit driven. So again they've taken what used to be a core feature and basically timegated it in this whole obsession with profits/MAU>enjoyable experience.

    Also the level thing is a bad argument. You can start the game at 55 since DK had their restriction removed. 19 more levels hurts nothing. You can literally have a 98 character by playing 15 levels of the game.

    Also don't split hairs. You know damn well I didn't mean these races on day 1. They could have saved the Legion allied races for day 1 and then added others through patches/expansions.
    Most things in wow are profit driven it’s the reason we still have raids. Them putting in a bunch of extra work for no gain is a nice ideal but it’s also not realistic.

    Classes are also not comparable to races he’ll dk’s and Dh’s cant even be every race. Every other race starts at 1 allied races start at 20 there has been nothing but a gain.

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post

    that is intterupted by ANY DAMAGE
    shadowmeld is interrupted by ANY DAMAGE too, didnt stop rogues and druids from using it in arena for their advantage, didnt stop any night elf in open world PVE AND PVP to not take huge advantage of it.

    this ANY DAMAGE you speak of can easily be avoided with how classes are designed these days. you dont need the whole 6 seconds of it, nobody is going to use it on 0% of their HP and it doesnt matter if your HP doesnt end up at 100%. I dont want to see some Zanda troll use LoS and recover from 30% hp to 80% in 3 seconds while Im stunned.

    I dont want to see the last remaining decent alliance players move their guilds to horde because ever 20 player of the raid can heal to full hp in a phase switch of a bossfight without spending 1 mana.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by Vampyr78 View Post
    It's not a broken promise. Every allied race required a reputaiton and a questline. Dark Iron and Mag'har required War campaign also. The only promise was that they won't require any new faction introduced in a new patch. And it was just an answer for the question because the reputation grind is the gate behind all other allied races, not the questline, questline can be done usualy quickly.

    Ion admitted in the Q&A that those races should be at launch but they had to delay it because Kul Tirans aren't just a reskin. They are full new race with a custom rig and animations and that takes a lot of time to make.
    They have had(or atleast should have had) a long time to work on them.
    They should've been ready to go at expansion launch despite being a "totally new" race - just like they had older races such as draenei and blood elf ready for their expansion launch.
    They can't be totally custom made as atleast male kul tiran uses female pandaren casting animation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You would be behind either way the difference is being behind at launch when there are no catch ups or being behind when there are catch ups.

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    Most things in wow are profit driven it’s the reason we still have raids. Them putting in a bunch of extra work for no gain is a nice ideal but it’s also not realistic.

    Classes are also not comparable to races he’ll dk’s and Dh’s cant even be every race. Every other race starts at 1 allied races start at 20 there has been nothing but a gain.
    20 levels is hardly a gain of any worth though. I mean it's the starter edition cap.... which should be raised to 60 tbh imo.

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    Remember when they used these allied races as a selling point for the expansion ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    You would be behind either way the difference is being behind at launch when there are no catch ups or being behind when there are catch ups.
    You really don't see any difference there ?

    Leveling from scratch in the middle of an expansion (and of a tier), catch-up or not, is a guaranteed few weeks of being behind, because you're behind in reputations, ilvl, probably professions, and artifact.
    Leveling from scratch at the beginning of the expac will probably leave you behind a little bit in ilvl (because fewer dungeons, but they award stuff approximately the same ilvl as the end of leveling does), and slightly behind in artifact power too.

    You'll be slightly behind. Slightly. If you suddenly reroll in the middle of a tiers, you lose your raid spot instantly, and you may eventually get it back for the next tier if your guild hasn't replaced you by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleccybubb View Post
    Yep.

    Anyone who thinks the Allied Race system isn't about selling those £19 race changes or AAA game priced boosts is flat out lying to themselves.

    I mean sure FF14 has nowhere as near as many races but at least I don't have to jump through hoops to play as the two they added.
    No other reason, really, to keep the two most hotly awaited races for this long. Make sure the people get gear, and have invested enough in that toon in terms of Necklace and Azerite traits/TF (imagine hoping you get lucky again on a different toon?).

    Nah, easier to pay the money and take the race change. The more I play FF14, the more I see *just* how badly Blizzard handle so many things now, it is quite sickening really.

    Ah, well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    You really don't see any difference there ?

    Leveling from scratch in the middle of an expansion (and of a tier), catch-up or not, is a guaranteed few weeks of being behind, because you're behind in reputations, ilvl, probably professions, and artifact.
    Leveling from scratch at the beginning of the expac will probably leave you behind a little bit in ilvl (because fewer dungeons, but they award stuff approximately the same ilvl as the end of leveling does), and slightly behind in artifact power too.

    You'll be slightly behind. Slightly. If you suddenly reroll in the middle of a tiers, you lose your raid spot instantly, and you may eventually get it back for the next tier if your guild hasn't replaced you by then.
    If it takes you a few weeks to level at launch you would still be behind in Ilvl professions rep ect. The differance is mid or late expan there are really heavy catch ups and if you already have a max level character you can still play with friends unlike if you restart at the start of an expan.

    You also have a good chance of losing your raid spot if you start over as people tend to want people to be raid ready when new raids open so if your still leveling a new character a few weeks after launch why take you and not some one else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pertudles View Post
    Remember when they used these allied races as a selling point for the expansion ?
    They never did for the fat humans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    If it takes you a few weeks to level at launch you would still be behind in Ilvl professions rep ect. The differance is mid or late expan there are really heavy catch ups and if you already have a max level character you can still play with friends unlike if you restart at the start of an expan.

    You also have a good chance of losing your raid spot if you start over as people tend to want people to be raid ready when new raids open so if your still leveling a new character a few weeks after launch why take you and not some one else?
    Few things:
    - Raids are no longer opened directly, we now have to wait one month to see the first raid open, that's plenty of time to level whatever you want if you're dedicated.
    - Even if you level in three days, even with catch-up mechanics, you're still being time-gated by the game itself because of the weekly bullshit. Weekly mythic+ chest, weekly quest/content giving a shitton of azerite, whatever currency cap (valor points / residuum / legion's legendary coins i forgot the name...), weekly lockout on LFR/Raids... So you'll still be behind in terms of power (Azerite, Ilvl), unless your guild is really dedicated to you and decide to split-run just for you.
    - I don't really remember how it was implemented for other races, but imo additional races could be available before the expac (pre-patch event) for you to "pre-level" your new chars up to the previous expac level cap so that you can level with your friends/guild.

    Unless you're some kind of 24/7 player with insane amount of friends agreeing to boost you, I have trouble imagining someone being able to level a Zandalari in 8.1.5 and being able to competitively raid in Dazar'alor a few days/weeks later.
    On the other hand, I've already seen newly-created characters be able to raid competitively at the beginning of the expac (lots of Pandas did that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophenia View Post
    Few things:
    - Raids are no longer opened directly, we now have to wait one month to see the first raid open, that's plenty of time to level whatever you want if you're dedicated.
    - Even if you level in three days, even with catch-up mechanics, you're still being time-gated by the game itself because of the weekly bullshit. Weekly mythic+ chest, weekly quest/content giving a shitton of azerite, whatever currency cap (valor points / residuum / legion's legendary coins i forgot the name...), weekly lockout on LFR/Raids... So you'll still be behind in terms of power (Azerite, Ilvl), unless your guild is really dedicated to you and decide to split-run just for you.
    - I don't really remember how it was implemented for other races, but imo additional races could be available before the expac (pre-patch event) for you to "pre-level" your new chars up to the previous expac level cap so that you can level with your friends/guild.

    Unless you're some kind of 24/7 player with insane amount of friends agreeing to boost you, I have trouble imagining someone being able to level a Zandalari in 8.1.5 and being able to competitively raid in Dazar'alor a few days/weeks later.
    On the other hand, I've already seen newly-created characters be able to raid competitively at the beginning of the expac (lots of Pandas did that).
    I’d say it comes down to how dedicated you are. At launch your going to be behind even if the raids are delayed and mid tier your going to be behind but you have catch ups. In both cases if you really care you can catch up and be raid ready. If you want to not be behind you really have to just not level a new room either at the start or part way though.

    Races pre allied races also became available at 1 on launch day the pre leveling was just for the legion allied races.

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    Poor, wee Blizzard. Once again another video where the Upvotes aren't even half the amount of the Downvotes. Oh well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hextor View Post
    Another bait. Keep the sub up, you might get what advertised 8 months ago soon™
    Isn't that ridiculous? It shouldn't have taken anywhere near this long.

  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyphael View Post
    I thought exalted with Proudmoore Admirality and Zandalar Empire along with the Tides of Vengeance war campaigns would be sufficient. Zandalar Forever/A Nation United sounds more like the requirements for flying which makes me wonder what the requirements for flying will be.
    Fair enough, I think flying will need (apart from part one) exalted with the new rep from 8.2 and exploration I think. They said it would be the same as 7.2

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    I really don't think A nation united and Zandalar forever are unreasonable requirements for unlocking the respective races.

    I know some people decided not to do any story quests whilst leveling and that it may suck to be them but most people should have the achievements already since it is literally just doing the zone storylines and the culminating quests following.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Explicit Teemo Nudes View Post
    They have had(or atleast should have had) a long time to work on them.
    They should've been ready to go at expansion launch despite being a "totally new" race - just like they had older races such as draenei and blood elf ready for their expansion launch.
    They can't be totally custom made as atleast male kul tiran uses female pandaren casting animation.
    The thing is that, despite all the shady MAU things that are happening, we don't know for certain how they allocate resources (developers), when did they, and how much real time they had to make everything that is now in-game. Did they get lazy? not enough resources to develop and debug everything? bad organization of the resources? they just really didn't care? and a large etc of possible reasons.

    The problem resides in one of those, and since we don't know everything that is hapenning there, the best thing we could do as players is reprot politely what we don't like and what we like, as much as some want to think that firing X people would fix everything, it won't, voting with your wallet and at the same time pointing out why are you voting with your wallet, is the optimal way to go, if you care for the people working at the company, if you are not enjoying the game anymore, say why, but say it well, and if you truly don't enjoy it and can't even play it then stop, you are hurting yourself.

    This is just what I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigxy the Lemming View Post
    Poor, wee Blizzard. Once again another video where the Upvotes aren't even half the amount of the Downvotes. Oh well!
    Says more about the state of the rubbish communtiy really.

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    i'd rather have paladins for the kul tiran just to make it like the tauren - druid, shaman and paladin. (let's not forget their human, clerics - paladins... and talia now there with her daddy being.. you know.... the lich king now... )

    No other alliance race has all three, but the horde now have TWO which does [tauren and the new troll race]. Uther is rolling in his grave

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesshin20 View Post
    Says more about the state of the rubbish communtiy really.
    Dunno about that. Just look at "Old Soldier" and "Lost Honor" - those things are really loved. So was "Terror of Darkshore". People know what they like and show what they have gotten fed up with (gated content, cash shop mounts, etc).

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    I wish that my purchase of an expansion automatically included these new races instead of making me grind for them.

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