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    Two dead after Venezuelan soldiers open fire on opposition supporters

    Maduro is now killing people that dare to go for the aid he is denying them. He needs to be taken out of power

    SAN CRISTOBAL, Venezuela — Venezuelan soldiers opened fire on a group of civilians attempting to keep open a segment of the southern border with Brazil for deliveries of humanitarian aid, causing multiple injuries and the first fatalities of a massive opposition operation meant to deliver international relief to this devastated South American country, according to eyewitnesses and community leaders.

    At 6:30 a.m. on Friday, a military convoy approached a checkpoint set up by an indigenous community in the southern village of Kumarakapay, on the main artery linking Venezuela to Brazil. Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro on Thursday ordered the closure of Venezuela’s border with Brazil.

    When the volunteers sought to block the military vehicles by standing in front of them, soldiers began firing assault rifles. At least two people were killed and a dozen wounded, at least three of them seriously. The dead were named as a woman, Zorayda Rodriguez, 42, and a man, Rolando Garcia.

    The Trump administration, which opposes Maduro, promptly denounced the shooting. “The United States condemns the killings, attacks, and the hundreds of arbitrary detentions that have taken place in Venezuela,” a State Department spokesman said. “We stand with the victims’ families in demanding justice and accountability.” (Vice President Pence, who is one of the administration’s most forceful Maduro critics, is scheduled to be in Colombia on Monday for a scheduled meeting of the Lima Group — a consortium of Latin American countries, plus Canada, that have called for Maduro’s ouster.)

    In tweets, opposition leader Juan Guaidó — who was en route to the Colombian border — said: “In the community of Kumarakapay, 2 soldiers shot against Pemones that were at a checkpoint. The result of this crime is 12 people wounded and one dead. Our solidarity is with them. It will not go unpunished.”

    In a separate tweet, he added, “To soldiers: between today and tomorrow you will define how to be remembered. We know you are with the people, you have made it clear to us. Tomorrow you can demonstrate it.”

    At least 30 neighbors took to the streets following the shootings, kidnapping three soldiers, according to Carmen Elena Silva, 48, who had joined the roadblock, and George Bello, a spokesman for the indigenous community.

    “The majority of the people support the entrance of humanitarian aid, and we want to keep our border open,” Silva said. “This is help, not war. . . . Every day more children die.”

    Jorge Perez, a local councilman in Gran Sabana, the district in which the town is located, said he was present when the soldiers opened fire. “I ask the armed forces, is it constitutional for them to fire against unarmed indigenous people?” he said. “Is it constitutional to kill indigenous people?”

    A spokesmen for Venezuela’s Communications Ministry said it could not yet comment on the incident.

    [Venezuela braces for possible conflict ahead of opposition’s push to deliver humanitarian aid]

    The activists belonged to the Pemones indigenous tribe that has joined the opposition effort to haul in aid donated by the United States and other countries from bordering nations on Saturday. The aid is coming from nations — including the United States — that have demanded that Maduro step down. His government has ordered a full blockade of the aid and dispatched the military to reinforce Venezuela’s borders.

    The incident appeared to be the most violent confrontation yet in a still-unfolding operation in which thousands of volunteers are seeking to reach bordering nations to haul in the aid. Opposition leaders feared more clashes on Saturday, when volunteers plan to bring aid over the border.

    Tensions between the military and the indigenous Pemones involved in the fatal exchange have been rising for years over the fast spread of illegal gold mining on their traditional lands. Opposition leaders convening in San Cristobal, the largest Venezuelan metropolis near the Colombian border, denounced the use of excessive force.

    “We have to condemn what happened today,” said Maria Gabriela Chávez, a coordinator for environmental issues in the National Assembly, the opposition-controlled legislature that Maduro stripped of its powers in 2017. “In the new Venezuela that is coming, we will assume this pain and experience as a lesson.”

    In this city of nearly 300,000, opposition lawmakers outlined plans for an operation Saturday meant to receive aid shipments that have piled up in Cucuta, a Colombian border city.

    Franklin Duarte, an opposition official, announced four points of departure starting at 3 a.m. He said volunteers would be bused to the four international bridges that connect bordering cities to Cucuta, to help the aid come in. Those volunteers who are planning to stay in San Cristobal, he said, would march toward the city’s military barracks holding flags.

    “Unlike protests in the past, this time the people will stay in the street until containers of humanitarian aid come in,” he said.

    “Tomorrow will mark the before and after for Venezuelans fighting to get back their democracy,” said Edgar Zambrano, vice president of the National Assembly.

    The governor of the state of Tachira, Laidy Gomez, called on both sides to avoid violence.

    “To violence, we have to respond with peace, and to tell the violent that we, the good ones, are better than that, that we do not want a war.”

    The Maduro government, however, was reinforcing its efforts to stop the aid from coming in. In a statement, Colombian authorities said that shipping containers -- overturned by the government earlier this month to block the Tienditas bridge connecting Venezuela and Colombia -- were welded in place overnight.

    “Last night, while Cúcuta and the world were preparing to raise their voices in unison for the Freedom of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro’s dictatorship welded the containers to the structure of the Unity Bridge, as if it were a metaphor for the dictator clinging to power,” Colombian migration authorities said in a statement.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.0308b316efbc
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    At least 30 neighbors took to the streets following the shootings, kidnapping three soldiers, according to Carmen Elena Silva, 48, who had joined the roadblock, and George Bello, a spokesman for the indigenous community.
    Kidnapping soldiers that just shot them??? What??? Did they run out of bullets? Were there some different soldiers around to kidnap?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalcker View Post
    Kidnapping soldiers that just shot them??? What??? Did they run out of bullets? Were there some different soldiers around to kidnap?
    They probably lashed out against nearby soldiers. Cant exactly blame them when they dont hesitate in shooting you dead because you want to access humanitarian aid.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettySweet View Post
    They probably lashed out against nearby soldiers. Cant exactly blame them when they dont hesitate in shooting you dead because you want to access humanitarian aid.
    Venezuela is pretty violent country overall; the only way to safely move around countryside seems to be armed convoys.

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    lol the aid the US is sending probably contains weapons for the opposition, Abhrams pulled this shit before.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    The US still does not need to get involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    lol the aid the US is sending probably contains weapons for the opposition, Abhrams pulled this shit before.
    US humanitarian aid was already distributed and it doesnt contain weapons. Do you just not like Venezuelans recieving aid? Would you rather they starve?
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettySweet View Post
    US humanitarian aid was already distributed and it doesnt contain weapons. Do you just not like Venezuelans recieving aid? Would you rather they starve?
    Do you honestly trust Abhrams on this? Is that a thing with neo-liberals, genocidal war criminials who have done this shit before can be trusted?

    And yeah, some of the aid was found to contain weapons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    The US is on a warpath towards Venezuela. I would not trust the US media at this moment.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    Do you honestly trust Abhrams on this? Is that a thing with neo-liberals, genocidal war criminials who have done this shit before can be trusted?

    And yeah, some of the aid was found to contain weapons.
    Did you hear the CTH-podcast on Elliott Abrams? It made me hate the guy even more.

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    I don't understand the mindset of people so supervillainously evil they can go "is that humanitarian aid I see? STOP IT! My people cannot be allowed to have any shred of happiness!"

    Those are the sorts of people that get dragged through the streets by their balls when the revolution finally happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilrak View Post
    And yeah, some of the aid was found to contain weapons.
    Important, surely intentionally-omitted context. Don't know what to think anymore already.

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    Oh, the typical US hating crowd is already here.

    AMERICA is the best thing in the world, and communist degenerates stopping literally stopping their people from EATING shall fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    I don't understand the mindset of people so supervillainously evil they can go "is that humanitarian aid I see? STOP IT! My people cannot be allowed to have any shred of happiness!"

    Those are the sorts of people that get dragged through the streets by their balls when the revolution finally happens.



    Important, surely intentionally-omitted context. Don't know what to think anymore already.
    Notice how he hasn't posted anything supporting that claim. You'd think that something like that would be making the rounds.
    Your problem is that you’re more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    I don't understand the mindset of people so supervillainously evil they can go "is that humanitarian aid I see? STOP IT! My people cannot be allowed to have any shred of happiness!"

    Those are the sorts of people that get dragged through the streets by their balls when the revolution finally happens.



    Important, surely intentionally-omitted context. Don't know what to think anymore already.
    Abhrams has used foreign aid before to smuggle in weapons, this is all on the US for pulling this sort of shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrettySweet View Post
    Notice how he hasn't posted anything supporting that claim. You'd think that something like that would be making the rounds.
    Asking me directly must be too hard for neo-liberals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams#Nicaragua

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/us-com...itions/255049/

    http://time.com/5529418/ilhan-omar-e...s-el-salvador/

    But you have fun supporting him, makes it clear where you stand.
    Last edited by Gilrak; 2019-02-22 at 09:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    Trump did it so it's good. I put my faith in a strong political figure because I lack self-esteem and feel threatened by a changing world. Whoever stands against him is bad because I do not understand their arguments and I have a simple tribalistic mindset created through the consumption of right-wing media.

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    Why would any country allow a group of civilians to control part of its border at any point ever anyway?

    "Humanitarian Aid, with only a little bit of guns and cocaine, honest guv"...
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