DC or NP? what happened in last 2 monts?

[valky94]

NO - every single warlock in the world have 1.5min cd branch... i talk here about world top players - not random lfr warriors... i understand why 99% animals use DC - "oh if even method warlock use DC then who am i to use NP...". i don't understand why top warlocks don't use NP. there are bosses when you can stand still and take 100% effectivness of NP and 3min cd of NP. 1-30min kills of 1st boss is ideal for NP. or 4min kills of Grong also ideal for NP... There was exactly 0 promlems in Uldir to use NP and now everybody start talking about "It doesn't matter if NP sims higher because it won't be better in a real fight." WHY? Sim lies or what? it's exactly 0 problems on simple fights to make 100% effective portal...

you wouldnt believe, but certain abilities scale better than others, and in this case DC scales better than NP, especially if you have strong on use trinkets like branch or a good rolled tidestone

and like i said in my earlier post, DC sims higher for my warlock than NP, so thats why i run with DC

EDIT: and if you dont trust me, here is the raidbots sim for my lock https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...iJ7n4dLFetQFKe as you can see, DC is around 2% higher than NP

[Emerald Archer]

NO - every single warlock in the world have 1.5min cd branch... i talk here about world top players - not random lfr warriors... i understand why 99% animals use DC - "oh if even method warlock use DC then who am i to use NP...". i don't understand why top warlocks don't use NP. there are bosses when you can stand still and take 100% effectivness of NP and 3min cd of NP. 1-30min kills of 1st boss is ideal for NP. or 4min kills of Grong also ideal for NP... There was exactly 0 promlems in Uldir to use NP and now everybody start talking about "It doesn't matter if NP sims higher because it won't be better in a real fight." WHY? Sim lies or what? it's exactly 0 problems on simple fights to make 100% effective portal...

Because for decent players, they don't give a shit about the easy bosses, why constantly reforge your azerite for grong? The decent warlocks are building for their jaina prog.

[lonely zergling]

Yeah that's nice and all, but unless the buff literally only effects burst mass aoe, that's going to mess with raid. You have a top tier m+ spec already, you don't need the entire class to be that hype in m+, especially when doing so, increases how good the specs are in raid, causing even more of an imbalance.

Doesn't really matter where your personal focus is, raids are a thing, and buffs for m+ effect raid, just like raid buffs effect m+.

They could easily tweak the aoe row for affliction without impacting any st raid performance too much.

But honestly affliction was fine in season 1 not sure how they do with reaping now, could probably spec into Vile Taint and still pull ok numbers especially on higher fortified keys, bet no one tried to make it work because Demo is so fotm op atm.

Also could probably look into Drain Soul talent that literally is a dps loss compared to having no talent. (nice design)

[Gaidax]

Because for decent players, they don't give a shit about the easy bosses, why constantly reforge your azerite for grong? The decent warlocks are building for their jaina prog.

No no no, you don't know what you are talking about, "animal", Grong DPS super important - NP all the way, sims say so.

Elegiggle... this OP totally brightened my day.

[ztn]

Because for decent players, they don't give a shit about the easy bosses, why constantly reforge your azerite for grong? The decent warlocks are building for their jaina prog.

reforge azerite? lolwhat? you even don't understand that DC and NP use exactly same azerite traits but want to talk about motivation of top warlocks?

[Gaidax]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...pec=Demonology

All them NP locks wrecking that Grong, sogood. But hey, I guess they are all just dumb animals that did not figure out the NP greatness.

[nToxik]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/ra...pec=Demonology

All them NP locks wrecking that Grong, sogood.

LoL I was just going to post the same.

[Tramzh]

NO - every single warlock in the world have 1.5min cd branch... i talk here about world top players - not random lfr warriors... i understand why 99% animals use DC - "oh if even method warlock use DC then who am i to use NP...". i don't understand why top warlocks don't use NP. there are bosses when you can stand still and take 100% effectivness of NP and 3min cd of NP. 1-30min kills of 1st boss is ideal for NP. or 4min kills of Grong also ideal for NP... There was exactly 0 promlems in Uldir to use NP and now everybody start talking about "It doesn't matter if NP sims higher because it won't be better in a real fight." WHY? Sim lies or what? it's exactly 0 problems on simple fights to make 100% effective portal...

do you unironically think methods warlocks reforge all their azerite, swap around every talent and change the entire play style of the spec on a fight to fight basis on FARM content? and no, obviously sims arent perfect in every aspect

[Emerald Archer]

but want to talk about motivation of top warlocks?

idk mate, atm your entire argument is "all the best warlocks don't actually know what they're doing"

[Gaidax]

LoL I was just going to post the same.

That's because those noob animals did not sim NP man, missing out on all that sweet sim DPS.

[ztn]

you wouldnt believe, but certain abilities scale better than others, and in this case DC scales better than NP, especially if you have strong on use trinkets like branch or a good rolled tidestone

and like i said in my earlier post, DC sims higher for my warlock than NP, so thats why i run with DC

EDIT: and if you dont trust me, here is the raidbots sim for my lock https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...iJ7n4dLFetQFKe

ty for your sim but its not representative because you have cancer itemization. with 3xEP you want 0 haste but you have even haste enchants and haste on use trinket... as i say iam talk about top players with normal itemization... you can sim every top demolock and see 4-5% NP advantage...

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idk mate, atm your entire argument is "all the best warlocks don't actually know what they're doing"

i don't have a point to defend - i ask why and see child level answers like "top lock doesnt care about his damage on easy bosses" etc... your argument that all the best warlocks don't actually know what they were doing in Uldir? because 8.1 uldir is mechanically exactly like 8.1 bod... - nothing changes except EP which worltop1 level theorycrafters says that doesnt matter in question "dc vs np"... Half of thrash-talking here is against common knowledge of warlock comunuty - another half is child level thoughts about "nobody in the world care about his Grong damage"... still exactly 0 competent thoughts on topic...

[valky94]

ty for your sim but its not representative because you have cancer itemization. with 3xEP you want 0 haste but you have even haste enchants and haste on use trinket... as i say iam talk about top players with normal itemization... you can sim every top demolock and see 4-5% NP advantage...

actually you dont, my sims show that haste is the best stat untill 16% then it drops and becomes the lowest and mastery becomes the highest, and if you dont believe me, go check the armories of some of the top demo locks on warcraft logs and you will see that they all have around 14-16% haste, so i dont know where you got the 0% haste from

and i just simmed the best lock in the west acording to warcraftlogs and here is the proof https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/repo...jYfNyyvVZHfAD4

even in his gear DC sims higher than NP

[macktk]

guys, the dude runs his sims on patchwerk. please stop trying to convince him of anything.

[Emerald Archer]

guys, the dude runs his sims on patchwerk. please stop trying to convince him of anything.

What would you sim on? If not patchwerk btw.

[valky94]

What would you sim on? If not patchwerk btw.

i do all my sims on light movement tbh

[agentsi]

Yeah that's nice and all, but unless the buff literally only effects burst mass aoe, that's going to mess with raid. You have a top tier m+ spec already, you don't need the entire class to be that hype in m+, especially when doing so, increases how good the specs are in raid, causing even more of an imbalance.

Doesn't really matter where your personal focus is, raids are a thing, and buffs for m+ effect raid, just like raid buffs effect m+.

I think you're missing the point.

I'd wager to say, more people do M+, than raid Mythic. In fact, a lot more. Building specs that are balanced in all aspects of the game was my point. I understand all 3 warlock specs do quite well in Raids, and that's great. But when more people do dungeons and M+, and the other specs are almost to the point where they're not viable, then there is an issue. As a purely DPS class, I should be able to play whichever spec I prefer, with maybe a 10% variance between them. That is currently not even remotely the case for warlocks. Its Demo in M+ or nothing.

[macktk]

i do all my sims on light movement tbh

^ Even farm bosses require some light movement.

[Emerald Archer]

i do all my sims on light movement tbh

Yeah, I mean that's a huge red flag, like one of the biggest stuff ups you could make with simming.

You NEVER sim on light or heavy movement.

The people who write the APLs for sims, do not put time and effort into light or heavy movement sims, these are going to be extremely accurate and significantly different to any real light or heavy movement scenario, patchwerk will be MUCH more accurate for any actual scenario even with light or heavy movement.

The people who write the sims you follow, write the rotations, they do not touch light or heavy, and are very verbal about how incorrect and unusable they are.

[ztn]

so i dont know where you got the 0% haste from

same warlock discord FAQ section

[Tramzh]

ty for your sim but its not representative because you have cancer itemization. with 3xEP you want 0 haste but you have even haste enchants and haste on use trinket... as i say iam talk about top players with normal itemization... you can sim every top demolock and see 4-5% NP advantage...

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i don't have a point to defend - i ask why and see child level answers like "top lock doesnt care about his damage on easy bosses" etc... your argument that all the best warlocks don't actually know what they were doing in Uldir? because 8.1 uldir is mechanically exactly like 8.1 bod... - nothing changes except EP which worltop1 level theorycrafters says that doesnt matter in question "dc vs np"... Half of thrash-talking here is against common knowledge of warlock comunuty - another half is child level thoughts about "nobody in the world care about his Grong damage"... still exactly 0 competent thoughts on topic...

idk its extremely difficult to communicate with brainlets like you, nether portal is literally only viable on a very few handful of fights and it requires a thousand times more effort to play than DC, why play it?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done

heres a log of an asian dude playing NP on jadefire of all bosses, its fine, its just not really worth the effort. are you happy with this answer? I'll play NP on as many bosses as possible next reset just for fun to see what I can do but I believe it's only really gonna be good for Grong, Jadefire and Rastakhans Bwomsamdi phase. Nether Portal is extremely kill time dependant and requires you to be able to stand still for longer periods, have u even bothered to try the portal spec yourself before u typed all this garbo on the forums?