Star Trek-Star Wars crossover.

[FLANOFETT]

Star Wars would wreck Star Trek. Star Wars has no problem with saying fuck physics for the 'cool' factor. You can't fight a universe where ships fly like planes in space.

"Q" would make the star wars universe his play thing. The Borg would assimilate the empire and death star tech into their ships. Crazy stuff could happen

[PACOX]

None of the Enterprises are superior in combat, even though it's referred to as the flag ship.
Defiant out guns every Enterprise AND have Cloak.

But why just consider Federation? A single Borg Cube would eradicate a Star Destroyer..... And a single ship from 8472 can take on 10 Borg Cubes or a fully armed Death Star, making a Star Destroyer look like a bumble bee.

The Enterprise is an exploration vessel. In TNG is was basically a space cruise.

Star Destroyers are called Star Destroyers because they are capable of taking our solar systems.

The Borg were only formidable because the Federation was weak. The Empire fights wars for breakfast and ends them by dinner time. The Empire is a Type 2 civilization when it feels like it. The Borg would be child's play.

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"Q" would make the star wars universe his play thing. The Borg would assimilate the empire and death star tech into their ships. Crazy stuff could happen

The Force is the unifying 'force' at least in the SW galaxy and the Sith/Jedi tap into it. The Sith were able to use it to give and take life away. Jedi used it to project themselves across time and space.

They might not be as individually strong as Q or the Collective but they would put up a fight.

[FLANOFETT]

The Enterprise is an exploration vessel. In TNG is was basically a space cruise.

Star Destroyers are called Star Destroyers because they are capable of taking our solar systems.

The Borg were only formidable because the Federation was weak. The Empire fights wars for breakfast and ends them by dinner time. The Empire is a Type 2 civilization when it feels like it. The Borg would be child's play.

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The Force is the unifying 'force' at least in the SW galaxy and the Sith/Jedi tap into it. The Sith were able to use it to give and take life away. Jedi used it to project themselves across time and space.

They might not be as individually strong as Q or the Collective but they would put up a fight.

They "could" put up a fight. BUT Q is basically Thanos with the Gauntlet while being also the equivalent of a GOD. He could snap his fingers and turn reality into whatever he wants. We haven't met a character in Star Wars canon that could do that. it's possible the force itself could manifest a being capable of combating an entity like Q and mary-sue the person into knowing how to use these new powers but... that wouldn't make a good movie :P

[Darththeo]

None of the Enterprises are superior in combat, even though it's referred to as the flag ship.
Defiant out guns every Enterprise AND have Cloak.

But why just consider Federation? A single Borg Cube would eradicate a Star Destroyer..... And a single ship from 8472 can take on 10 Borg Cubes or a fully armed Death Star, making a Star Destroyer look like a bumble bee.

Do you know the level of difference in the average Star Wars energy weapon vs the average Star Trek weapon ... the only Star Trek ship weapon that poses a threat is their photon torpedoes ... beyond that, Star Wars weapon tech is on a completely different level.

The only counter is "Well, that's not how that should have acted if it was that powerful, therefor it is more like this." Yet, the same argues let Photon Torpedoes move at light speed ... despite them not being shown too (merely stated they do, ergo Star Wars energy levels should be considered EQUALLY valid.)

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They "could" put up a fight. BUT Q is basically Thanos with the Gauntlet while being also the equivalent of a GOD. He could snap his fingers and turn reality into whatever he wants. We haven't met a character in Star Wars canon that could do that. it's possible the force itself could manifest a being capable of combating an entity like Q and mary-sue the person into knowing how to use these new powers but... that wouldn't make a good movie :P

Father, Son and Daughter say Hello. (Literally beings you just described, they are the Force incarnate). Also, they are CANON.
Legends add Abeloth.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

Star Wars are fantasy adventure films. They are about heroes who must rise up to fight big bads. It's at its best when it's about fighting or talking about the philosophy of standing up to fight.

Star Trek is an exploration of life in the future. It's at its best when it is using wondrous technology to examine the implications philosophical ideas. Case in point: almost every single Star Trek film is a Hollywood action blockbuster that completely misses the point of the series. You don't see people on Reddit talking about Star Trek 2009. You see people talking about "The Lower Decks" episode.

They do not mesh.

[PACOX]

They "could" put up a fight. BUT Q is basically Thanos with the Gauntlet while being also the equivalent of a GOD. He could snap his fingers and turn reality into whatever he wants. We haven't met a character in Star Wars canon that could do that. it's possible the force itself could manifest a being capable of combating an entity like Q and mary-sue the person into knowing how to use these new powers but... that wouldn't make a good movie :P

Well you're not wrong. SW has the Father, Son, and Daughter (canon) but they weren't on the level of Q. I don't think...maybe they were, could be wrong.

[Misuteri]

Q vs a Sith Lord or Jedi Master is GG for them.

You can’t fight onimpotence.

You think Q would do anything but yawn at a lightsaber, force push or lightning from fingers?

[Kokolums]

Star Wars isn't Science Fiction, it's a Space Opera. And neither Star Wars nor Star Trek Fans would want to see that. So, no. Worst Movie pitch ever.

That's a critical error. Star Wars needs to be science fiction. If it strays from that, it gets damaged. People that want to try to categorize these two products want to call star Wars space opera, but fans of Star Wars want it as science fiction. So if you try to give them space opera itll fail.

[fakaroonie]

Star Wars and Stargate.

Goa'sith vs Jedisgardians

Wraith sith vs Jedi Master Ronon Dex

Goa'uld fleet under Anubis/Ba'al vs the Empire under Emperor/Vader.

Close in technology, interesting battle.

[Skulltaker]

That's a critical error. Star Wars needs to be science fiction. If it strays from that, it gets damaged. People that want to try to categorize these two products want to call star Wars space opera, but fans of Star Wars want it as science fiction. So if you try to give them space opera itll fail.

Star Wars is categorized as Space Opera. It has never been Science Fiction, because there's no science in it, and it doesn't care about science. It's about epic heroes, space wizards and cosmic powers. No Star Wars fan worth his salt will try to argue that it is SciFi.

[Aurrora]

Say you get a shooting war between the 2 universes then you need to look at the axiom that whoever has the best mobility wins (mostly as shit does happen) and in that case it would be a Star Trek victory since they can enter and exit warp space anywhere while hyperspace are actually hyper lanes that have been plotted out over the millennia.

"Hyperlanes" is just a way of saying "we know we're not going to run into anything if we travel x lightyears in this direction" There's nothing stopping them from entering/exiting anywhere. Logically the same thing is probably an issue in Star Trek since there's no way their pilots have the reflexes to make course corrections at the speed of light, it's just never brought up.

Also, I'm pretty sure hyperspace is faster than warp travel.

[Kokolums]

Star Wars is categorized as Space Opera. It has never been Science Fiction, because there's no science in it, and it doesn't care about science. It's about epic heroes, space wizards and cosmic powers. No Star Wars fan worth his salt will try to argue that it is SciFi.

That's the wrong approach because if Star Wars moves away from sci-fi, fans will abandon it. The fans consider it sci-fi. You just have to accept that sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic.

[Skulltaker]

That's the wrong approach because if Star Wars moves away from sci-fi, fans will abandon it. The fans consider it sci-fi. You just have to accept that sufficiently advanced tech is indistinguishable from magic.

Star Wars cannot move away from SciFi since it never was SciFi to begin with. The Force is no technology, it is actually magic.

[Kokolums]

Star Wars cannot move away from SciFi since it never was SciFi to begin with. The Force is no technology, it is actually magic.

No, like I said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And that's probably where a lot of Star Wars sit. If you actually try to make it official that it is magic, you'll probably piss off a lot of Star Wars fans. They think of it more like the Infinity Stones, which are technology so advanced its magical.

[Skulltaker]

No, like I said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And that's probably where a lot of Star Wars sit. If you actually try to make it official that it is magic, you'll probably piss off a lot of Star Wars fans. They think of it more like the Infinity Stones, which are technology so advanced its magical.

No, that's your headcanon. Star Wars fans are perfectly fine with the Force being magic, and everytime someone tried to explain how it works it ended badly. Also, it's not you who said that, that was Arthur C. Clarke.

[Kokolums]

No, that's your headcanon. Star Wars fans are perfectly fine with the Force being magic, and everytime someone tried to explain how it works it ended badly. Also, it's not you who said that, that was Arthur C. Clarke.

I really see that ending badly. You decide that Star Wars is a magic universe and it will get strange and very stupid and fans will despise it. I mean did you watch the hate vented at The Last Jedi? Probably the scene fans hated the MOST was Leia floating in space and just flying around. They don't want magic shit in their Star Wars. They want science fiction. People like you are going to fill Star Wars with that crap.

[Skulltaker]

I really see that ending badly. You decide that Star Wars is a magic universe and it will get strange and very stupid and fans will despise it. I mean did you watch the hate vented at The Last Jedi? Probably the scene fans hated the MOST was Leia floating in space and just flying around. They don't want magic shit in their Star Wars. They want science fiction. People like you are going to fill Star Wars with that crap.

It usually ends badly when one person tries to push their stupid narrative even against overwhelming evidence, yes. For that person.

Leia floating through space was criticized because it A) looked dumb and B) she never befor displayed any notable Force Powers. And if you think this is the scene that fans hated most about that movie you've been living under a rock.

The Force has always been magic. In the original Trilogy Jedi Masters did a number of things that are a lot more impressive than floating through space. Levitate a Starship. Shoot Lightning from your fingertips or choke people to death through the TV. Sense the death of a Planet.

People don't want Science Fiction out of Star Wars, they want Star Wars out of Star Wars. And from day one, magic, known as the Force, has been a huge part of it. That's not a decision I made, or anybody else, aside of George Lucas, when he created Star Wars.

[PACOX]

I really see that ending badly. You decide that Star Wars is a magic universe and it will get strange and very stupid and fans will despise it. I mean did you watch the hate vented at The Last Jedi? Probably the scene fans hated the MOST was Leia floating in space and just flying around. They don't want magic shit in their Star Wars. They want science fiction. People like you are going to fill Star Wars with that crap.

That scene was more hated because it looked like ass and would have been a suitable end for the character, not because the act was was out of the ordinary.

In the first movie Obi-Wan disappeared instead of his body being sliced in half. The 'magic' was there from the beginning.

SW isn't even that bad with it. It could go Warhammer 40k on the sliding scale.

[Puri]

Well, don't claim Star Trek has not enough magic on his own. How does a vulkan mind meld work? How can someone transfer his whole mind before dying? How does Troi sense lifeforms on a planet? How do the dozens of races work who can mind control? How are some races able to shoot lasers with their eyes? Q?
"Those are not the droids you're looking for", shooting lightning and astral projection are hardly things you would not encounter in ST, too. Most likely there have been episodes already. Sure, some things are explained because they have an organ for it (that somehow does the magic), or it's straight "evolution" that somehow gives those abilites. But then why do feel "midichlorians" so out of place in SW?

Those universes feel incompatible. Obviously the technology is different, but didn't that happen pretty much everytime they met some new OP species?
It's hard to put the finger on the real reason why this seems so strange. It's just the horizon of expectation that's different, Star Wars is supposed to be a fairy tail, while Star Trek is supposed to be science fiction.

[Skulltaker]

Well, don't claim Star Trek has not enough magic on his own. How does a vulkan mind meld work? How can someone transfer his whole mind before dying? How does Troi sense lifeforms on a planet? How do the dozens of races work who can mind control? How are some races able to shoot lasers with their eyes? Q?
"Those are not the droids you're looking for", shooting lightning and astral projection are hardly things you would not encounter in ST, too. Most likely there have been episodes already. Sure, some things are explained because they have an organ for it (that somehow does the magic), or it's straight "evolution" that somehow gives those abilites. But then why do feel "midichlorians" so out of place in SW?

Those universes feel incompatible. Obviously the technology is different, but didn't that happen pretty much everytime they met some new OP species?
It's hard to put the finger on the real reason why this seems so strange. It's just the horizon of expectation that's different, Star Wars is supposed to be a fairy tail, while Star Trek is supposed to be science fiction.

Telepathy; telepathy again; Telepathy, again; another one for Telepathy; Q is being described as an almost omnipotent being from another dimension that doesn't follow the same laws of physics, what's godlike for is is normal for them.

Star Trek usually aims for phenomena that can be explained with a little science fiction. It takes a few concepts that science explores - for example space being something that can be bent - and builds technology around it. Despite it being technobabble most of the time, Star Trek at its core is about the betterment of humanity through scientific advancement. While it opens up the possibility of things that even the advanced science of the Federation or even the Borg cannot explain yet, that doesn't make it magic. It's just playing around with concepts.

Star Wars, on the other hand, is about explosions, magic, heroes and villains. Midichlorians feel out of place because Star Wars didn't give a rats ass about how stuff works. That's why the starfighters attack like WW2 planes, and the Space Battles are fought like colonial era ship-of-the-line battles. It just looks cool. It makes no sense whatsoever. If you try to explain shit, you'll fail. You cannot rationalize magic. Magic is inherently irrational.