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  1. #441
    Quote Originally Posted by Caiphon View Post
    Nevertheless the WC3 Sunfury were basically your average Silvermoon magisters, warriors and rangers sharing the same history and culture before Kael went mad with power (which came significantly after cooperating with the Naga). I've never claimed the current Sin'dorei had relations with the Naga, just that they likely wouldn't be completely horrified by the idea as Kael's folks didn't have too much of a problem with it even before their spiraling descent. There is also at least one important official that has seen collaboration with the Naga - Rommath, who was sent by Kael from Outland to share Illidan's knowledge with Silvermoon.
    The Blood elves only joined forces with the Naga because they were desperate. Had they not done so, the Scourge that was encroaching on Dalaran would have slaughtered them all. Silvermoon and the Ghostlands are still ruined but the Blood elves nowadays are no longer in such a desperate state that they would consider cooperation with the naga.

    The Kaldorei and Ren'dorei are not desperate for allies either, but they have a clear story connection with the Naga, one that the Blood elves lack, or do not have to the same extent. The Kaldorei and the Naga were enemies during the War of the Ancients, and a story of forgiveness and reconciliation can be told here, and both the Ren'dorei and Naga are victims of the Void. Alleria, Umbric, and the Ren'dorei were transformed by the Void Naaru/Void Ethereals, while the Naga were transformed by the Old God N'Zoth.

    Whatever connection any Horde race might have with the Naga, it is not nearly as interesting as the clear thematic link between Naga and these two aforementioned Alliance races.

    Furthermore, this hypothetical race would be redundant in the Horde, as the Nightborne already represent the fantasy of "decadent Highborne remnant race".

  2. #442
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    The Blood elves only joined forces with the Naga because they were desperate. Had they not done so, the Scourge that was encroaching on Dalaran would have slaughtered them all. Silvermoon and the Ghostlands are still ruined but the Blood elves nowadays are no longer in such a desperate state that they would consider cooperation with the naga.

    The Kaldorei and Ren'dorei are not desperate for allies either, but they have a clear story connection with the Naga, one that the Blood elves lack, or do not have to the same extent. The Kaldorei and the Naga were enemies during the War of the Ancients, and a story of forgiveness and reconciliation can be told here, and both the Ren'dorei and Naga are victims of the Void. Alleria, Umbric, and the Ren'dorei were transformed by the Void Naaru/Void Ethereals, while the Naga were transformed by the Old God N'Zoth.

    Whatever connection any Horde race might have with the Naga, it is not nearly as interesting as the clear thematic link between Naga and these two aforementioned Alliance races.

    Furthermore, this hypothetical race would be redundant in the Horde, as the Nightborne already represent the fantasy of "decadent Highborne remnant race".
    The Horde though are the continuation of the ancient Night Elf empire, between the Blood Elves who focus on magic, and the unbroken line of the Nightbourne who are that culture still.

    Night Elves are, for all intents and purposes, a completely different culture to the Night Elves of old. That's why the Nightbourne aren't on the Alliance. The Night Elves today are not the Night Elves of the past. VElves barely even factor in, they're radicals embracing weird magic.

    And, well, lets' be honest. A lot of the push for Naga as a race is going to be people remembering playing Naga in WC3, and if the Naga race is going to specifically be an enemy of Blood Elves, its gonna seem Really Weird. Like, ogres on the Alliance weird.

  3. #443
    Honestly, this seems to be the first Naga concept I can get behind. With a second "shapeshift" race being added, I can see this being alright.

  4. #444
    Quote Originally Posted by Mecheon View Post
    The Horde though are the continuation of the ancient Night Elf empire, between the Blood Elves who focus on magic, and the unbroken line of the Nightbourne who are that culture still.
    On the contrary, the Alliance has the only unchanged group of Highborne from the War of the Ancients. The Highborne of Eldre'Thalas.

    The Thalassian elves are just descendants of the Highborne and the Nightborne have been mutated by Arcane magic. The Thalassian elves have also mutated and become smaller and more fair-skinned.

    The Highborne of Eldre'Thalas are the literal Highborne citizens who lived there 10000 years ago, and they haven't been mutated by anything. They are the most pure group of Ancient Highborne left on Azeroth and they serve the Alliance.
    That's why the Nightbourne aren't on the Alliance.
    They aren't on the Alliance because Tyrande was mean to them, that's the only reason why they joined the Horde.

    VElves barely even factor in, they're radicals embracing weird magic.
    Weird, weren't Blood elves in TBC introduced precisely as "radicals embracing weird magic"? They even enslaved a literal Naaru and tortured it so much that it turned into a Void naaru.

    Besides, given how the Highborne almost doomed the world by practising Fel magic, they probably wouldn't mind that too much.

    And, well, lets' be honest. A lot of the push for Naga as a race is going to be people remembering playing Naga in WC3, and if the Naga race is going to specifically be an enemy of Blood Elves, its gonna seem Really Weird. Like, ogres on the Alliance weird.
    An argument you could have made for the Blood elves in the Horde as well. The elves of Quel'Thalas were one of the main members of the Alliance armies in both WC2 and WC3, so one would have expected them to join the Alliance in WoW.
    Last edited by Varodoc; 2022-10-02 at 11:24 PM.

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