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    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    I'm aware that this is a minority position but I will still hold firm that if you are raiding only for the rewards you may not be doing it for the right reasons.
    Why does everyone like to indulge in exclusive of mutually independent variables? Why no one wants to admit that rarely anyone has only one reason for committing an action, and not a complex of such equally weighty ones?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillside View Post
    mdma can fix that
    Nah i think Oxycontin or Vicodin

    Ironically enough me being high on painkillers made WoW so much more pleasurable but my fucking doctor is shit scared to perscribe that shit now even though i have massive pain.

    Fuck the nanny state but thats for another thread

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    Oh, Preach has said something, I have to watch this in order to be able to form my own opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Archer View Post
    You realise pots are like 500g a piece right? 40 wipes on a prog night is relatively normal, so even if you aren't hitting the point where you use your 2nd pot, that's 40 pots.

    500g per pot x40, that's 20k for a single raids night. 40k if you're progging on a boss that see's both pot uses somewhat early in the fight.

    If I was to buy the mats now, for 20 pots i'm looking at 160 sirens, going about 4k on my server, and then riverbudx200 which is anywhere between 5k and 10k.

    So lets assume bare minimum, that's 9k, that'll get maybe 10 procs on average. Just spent 9k on 30 pots, still need 10 more for a single night of single pot wipes.
    And why are you potting on progression pulls? Normally you only begin to pot when the kill is actually in sight (aka not wiping @80% constantly). Wiping at that point is almost always due to mechanics failures and not the lack of 1-3% extra raid dps. Good mythic guilds will know this so I do not accept that point either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentauk the Mindtaker View Post
    Nah i think Oxycontin or Vicodin

    Ironically enough me being high on painkillers made WoW so much more pleasurable but my fucking doctor is shit scared to perscribe that shit now even though i have massive pain.

    Fuck the nanny state but thats for another thread
    lmao, red wine usually works for me tbh, not too much though, just enough to give you that buzz and then you keep sipping on it - perfect for progression nights

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillside View Post
    Yea, that guy probably keeps reforging, which we might argue that he absolutely has to, because there's alot of diversity in boss mechanics, all the way from heavy aoe to almost 100% single target, some classes absolutely have to have second set of azerite pieces in order to not get benched, or.. again, keep reforging, to stay being a relevant part of the group for the progression.
    About repairs, not really, you usually get certain amount of gold available for repairs from the gbank DAILY, which gets burnt through within 5 wipes or something.
    Didn't have to mention cauldrons, because i excluded flasks, pots, tomes and food ( for most raiders pots aren't excluded though, because: 1. they cba farming herbs 2. they don't have a character with alchemy )

    It's not an absurd, as i said, it could very well go higher, much higher than 10k
    To be fair, I have been super casual for the past couple expansions, so there very well may be a valid reason to have to reforge so much if you are pushing mythic raiding + high end mythic plus keys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    He said it cost 10k a night to be a mythic raider. Now I know it's been a couple years since I was myself a mythic raider, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

    Could anybody here 6+ mythic confirm/deny?
    Guild provides flasks, Vantus, repairs and food paid for by boosting. Only things I buy is runes, pots are crafted with mats, so I buy mats.

    We also don’t exactly pop pots when we progress until mechanics are in place.

    And we’re not exactly bleeding edge here, like 300th on average every tier. Pretty sure stronger guild provide that as well.

    10k? Maybe. But honestly 10k is nothing nowadays anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    Let’s assume you are 100% correct and I am 100% wrong. Even take titanforging out of the equation. Normal mode gear replacing mythic with a 30iLvl jump is ridiculous.
    Normal mode gear does not replace Mythic gear, Heroic does - normal is a sidegrade aside from specific exceptions.
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  8. #388
    Quote Originally Posted by Chillside View Post
    lmao, red wine usually works for me tbh, not too much though, just enough to give you that buzz and then you keep sipping on it - perfect for progression nights
    Booze for raid nights, Painkillers for farming LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alkizon View Post
    Why does everyone like to indulge in exclusive of mutually independent variables? Why no one wants to admit that rarely anyone has only one reason for committing an action, and not a complex of such equally weighty ones?
    In some ways that is what Blizzard got most right in Legion. Multiple rewards and reasons to do content. Many of the rewards were small, but it was enough for people from all walks of the game to do them. You can look at the warden tower WQ as a great example. It offered honor, which progressed your wpn via AP at levels, progression towards, weapon skins, pets, toys, mounts and titles. All while giving you whatever the actual WQ reward was. Now rewards are split up in so many ways you are picking and choosing one or the other too often and it weakens the system.
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  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by MoanaLisa View Post
    There are those that consider the intricacies of a boss fight as content. They are not wrong in doing so. It may not be your cup of tea but the matter of what is and what isn't counted as content is not a purely objective thing and you personally don't get to decide that for everyone else.
    It is my cup of tea - I'm currently sitting on 7/9M as raid leader, main tank, and guild officer, and I'm well on my way to Mythic Jaina.

    It's not content any more than M+ 19 is new content as compared to M+ 18. It's something to do in the sense that it's a personal challenge, but there is no new art, no new story, no new locations, no meaningful reward, no NPC's will recognise your accomplishment, nothing in the world changes, there are no quests to go and do it. If you think just adding the mechanic "Gathering Blizzard" qualifies as content, then that's technically true, but only in such a literal and narrow sense that it's a joke, frankly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    He said it cost 10k a night to be a mythic raider. Now I know it's been a couple years since I was myself a mythic raider, but I find that extremely hard to believe.

    Could anybody here 6+ mythic confirm/deny?
    Just add up the price of flasks+runes+potions+food and you have your answer. Anecdotally I can say that potions seem far more expensive in BFA than I can ever remember.

    I know World 100 guilds spend millions of gold trying to cheese the awful personal loot system. I think Method spent more gold on this tier than any other tier in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    Just add up the price of flasks+runes+potions+food and you have your answer. Anecdotally I can say that potions seem far more expensive in BFA than I can ever remember.

    I know World 100 guilds spend millions of gold trying to cheese the awful personal loot system. I think Method spent more gold on this tier than any other tier in history.
    Method did retarded things to win world first you can't sit there and try to use them as some sort of measurement of how you pay lol. I again ask why you are wasting runes and pots on any pull other than a potential kill pull? If you aren't racing for world/region/server first kill then it is beyond silly to spam pots and runes when you are consistently wiping @80% on a new boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    Just add up the price of flasks+runes+potions+food and you have your answer. Anecdotally I can say that potions seem far more expensive in BFA than I can ever remember.

    I know World 100 guilds spend millions of gold trying to cheese the awful personal loot system. I think Method spent more gold on this tier than any other tier in history.
    Realistically it’s only potions and runes, rest is covered. As a flipside, every tier end I get a refund from a guild based on boosting we do or various guild challenges. For example I got 400k on launch due to scoring high on several guild contests that rewarded your level of preparedness for raid.

    End of Uldir I and everyone else got 150k shared due to boost revenues, rest goes to free flasks, food, vantus and repairs.

    Said top 100 guilds operate same way, simply because of boosting revenues covering everything.

  14. #394
    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    And why are you potting on progression pulls? Normally you only begin to pot when the kill is actually in sight (aka not wiping @80% constantly). Wiping at that point is almost always due to mechanics failures and not the lack of 1-3% extra raid dps. Good mythic guilds will know this so I do not accept that point either.
    This is a joke right? Mythic Jaina for example, early in prog you wanted to push dps and phase before the 3rd ring. Eventually you got enough gear to comfortably push without it, but this was after multiple 40 wipe nights.

    Phasing at the right time has a large effect on progression. It was the same for phasing early on stormwall boats and trying to skip a set of bombs on Mekka.

    If you think that you never pot on pull on prog, that there are no situations for it, you're not in an actual mythic guild, let alone a good mythic guild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    Realistically it’s only potions and runes, rest is covered. As a flipside, every tier end I get a refund from a guild based on boosting we do or various guild challenges. For example I got 400k on launch due to scoring high on several guild contests that rewarded your level of preparedness for raid.

    End of Uldir I and everyone else got 150k shared due to boost revenues, rest goes to free flasks, food, vantus and repairs.

    Said top 100 guilds operate same way, simply because of boosting revenues covering everything.
    Not every guild boosts though, right? Especially casual mythic guilds.

  16. #396
    Quote Originally Posted by Yunaqt View Post
    Please direct me to the god I need to pray to in order to receive this not hard to get triple proc.

    Thank you.
    Didn't you know? Apparently you are 415 average ilvl from WQs nowadays, dem titanforges raining man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mightytasty View Post
    Not every guild boosts though, right? Especially casual mythic guilds.
    That's like your problem. Any sort of half decent mythic guild does that to allow free services and support for members. Even my guild does it and we're like average mythic guild.

    It is absolutely not an issue to take a couple of deadweights to heroic run or even mythic and they pay well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Archer View Post
    This is a joke right? Mythic Jaina for example, early in prog you wanted to push dps and phase before the 3rd ring. Eventually you got enough gear to comfortably push without it, but this was after multiple 40 wipe nights.

    Phasing at the right time has a large effect on progression. It was the same for phasing early on stormwall boats and trying to skip a set of bombs on Mekka.

    If you think that you never pot on pull on prog, that there are no situations for it, you're not in an actual mythic guild, let alone a good mythic guild.
    If you have to twist somebody's words around to win an argument than you didn't have one to begin with. I never said never of course there will be niche situations that call for a pot so you can push through, but you (or one of you) made the claim that you are shelling out 40-50 pots per night every night when that just shouldn't be true.

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    Oh look is Preach parroting already popular opinions again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emerald Archer View Post
    This is a joke right? Mythic Jaina for example, early in prog you wanted to push dps and phase before the 3rd ring. Eventually you got enough gear to comfortably push without it, but this was after multiple 40 wipe nights.

    Phasing at the right time has a large effect on progression. It was the same for phasing early on stormwall boats and trying to skip a set of bombs on Mekka.

    If you think that you never pot on pull on prog, that there are no situations for it, you're not in an actual mythic guild, let alone a good mythic guild.
    You need to get to that point first. Mythic Jaina or Mekk progress first 20-30 pulls you don’t need to pot because you wipe long before the actual pushing phase is a thing.

    After that when your P1 is solid you start potting, yes at that point it starts to cost, but heck it’s top difficulty final boss there and second hardest as well, so yeah - you go that extra mile.

    For example we have just started Jaina and potting or runing is useless at the point we are because our P1 is not solid yet and we wipe to shit unrelated to DPS checks at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    If you have to twist somebody's words around to win an argument than you didn't have one to begin with. I never said never of course there will be niche situations that call for a pot so you can push through, but you (or one of you) made the claim that you are shelling out 40-50 pots per night every night when that just shouldn't be true.
    I mean, you wanna talk about what good guilds were doing right? Good guilds were on Jaina real fast, most of this tier was potting 40 times a night, because Jaina was most of this tier.

    Now if we're talking about monkey guilds who are like 5/9 or 6/9 now, then 100% that's a load of crap that they need to pot 40 times a night. They're just being dumb with them.

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