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  1. #581
    Quote Originally Posted by lockybalboa View Post
    This elitist fat turd is worst of the wow streamers out there. Always spewing rubbish with endless toxicity.
    That's heelvsbabyface. Don't confuse the two. Preach is rarely negative, and even when he is, there's a silver lining.

    HeelvsBabyface, though, is 100% negativity and toxicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redroniksre View Post
    The problem with raiding is that some people think that exclusivity makes people want to improve and do better, but as per Blizzards own response, that is just not the case. You throw a brick wall in front of the average person trying to have fun and what do they do? They leave and go do something without it. I think WoW always needs the hard raiding difficulty, but at the same time it is an incredibly small amount of people, balancing a game for that is a terrible idea.

    Not a big fan of preach anyways. I find he criticizes, but then looks to the past. With Bellular i find he does the same, but looks to the future (and more current game industry ideas).
    The flip side to that is if you take away the exclusivity that comes from the rewards of end game raiding, what is left OF raiding?

    I pretty much show up out of the kindness of my heart and for friends, and that's it. There's not enough reward structure at the end game raiding like there was in the past.

    On the other hand, i like the idea that the game has more avenues than ever to gear up new players and/or alts, and the game isn't "raid or die" anymore.

    I just wish they could strike a perfect balance between it all.

  2. #582
    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    You're conveniently ignoring the fact that the BFA grind is for the things you already had in the "previous" season and are exactly the same in this one. Your Azerite armor didn't get new, amazing abilities that will completely change the way your spec works - the ultimate "upgrade" is still extra 5ilvls.

    You want to compare this to Vanilla? Then imagine weapon skill resetting every day and having to constantly retrain it. It'd be ridiculously pointless, but that's exactly the kind of grind we have nowadays.Logging every day to do the same repetitive World Quests in order to keep re-learning the same skills you had just a few months earlier is sooo much better.
    The price for a gear reset is never to high. The alternative would be the uncatchable gear deficit most MMO's got.

    You don't want to AP grind your neck each tier? How about Player A is 2 years ahead of you and keeps playing at 2, 3 or 10 times the amount each day you can spare.

    Whats more worse, 1 hour a week to keep up with the "HUGE AMOUNT OF AP GRIND" or no gear/ap resets every tier?

    There is really no middle way, its either resets and OMG MEANINGLESS REPEATABLE CONTENT in a GRIND GAME GENRE or you started the game late, you lose.
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  3. #583
    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    The price for a gear reset is never to high. The alternative would be the uncatchable gear deficit most MMO's got.

    You don't want to AP grind your neck each tier? How about Player A is 2 years ahead of you and keeps playing at 2, 3 or 10 times the amount each day you can spare.

    Whats more worse, 1 hour a week to keep up with the "HUGE AMOUNT OF AP GRIND" or no gear/ap resets every tier?
    I don't think that's what he meant. I think he meant the azerite rings/traits themselves are boring and didn't get exciting. That blizzard should at least replace azerite gear with NEW azerite gear/traits.

    He wasn't asking for an EVE online situation, i don't think. I took it more as an azerite gear rewarding the SAME abilities you got 6 months ago on lesser azerite gear; not the neck grind. Just how boring/repetitive it is to receive the same exact traits all expac long.

  4. #584
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    I took it more as an azerite gear rewarding the SAME abilities you got 6 months ago on lesser azerite gear; not the neck grind. Just how boring/repetitive it is to receive the same exact traits all expac long.
    In that case it would be even worse to ask for something we just watched fail in LEGION. You want broken legendarys back with RNG for months/years of playtime? It worked out for 2 months till everyone screemed for a nerf of the "good" legendarys because the whole system was stupid with RNG.

    Azerite is the nerfed-legendary system we got a middle-solution for the broken system KaPe seems to ask for.

    Thats not even half a year ago, people should at least remember the mistakes from the last expansion. ^^
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  5. #585
    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    In that case it would be even worse to ask for something we just watched fail in LEGION. You want broken legendarys back with RNG for months/years of playtime? It worked out for 2 months till everyone screemed for a nerf of the "good" legendarys because the whole system was stupid with RNG.

    Azerite is the nerfed-legendary system we got a middle-solution for the broken system KaPe seems to ask for.

    Thats not even half a year ago, people should at least remember the mistakes from the last expansion. ^^
    I just don't think we are gonna see eye to on this topic, and that's ok.

    I personally loved the legendary system in Legion. Legion was my favorite expac since WOTLK, no doubt about that. You truly felt powerful. And they nailed the legendary system towards the end being able to target whichever you wanted.

    I'd personally take exciting legendary's, with a flawed RNG system.. than this static azerite gear that's all too samey, and TBH, boring because of it.

    Just my 2 cents though, and if you disagree that's cool too. I'll just always taken broken fun, over perfectly balanced boredom.

  6. #586
    Quote Originally Posted by Ange View Post
    In that case it would be even worse to ask for something we just watched fail in LEGION. You want broken legendarys back with RNG for months/years of playtime? It worked out for 2 months till everyone screemed for a nerf of the "good" legendarys because the whole system was stupid with RNG.

    Azerite is the nerfed-legendary system we got a middle-solution for the broken system KaPe seems to ask for.

    Thats not even half a year ago, people should at least remember the mistakes from the last expansion. ^^
    It's ok you are talking to a person who can take failed concepts from previous expansions and try to sell them as pinnacle of game design while in same breath shit on systems that existed forever as if they are some sort of new thing that apparently destroys WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    I just don't think we are gonna see eye to on this topic, and that's ok.
    Of course you don't see eye-to-eye with people, because you try to push a total hogwash, tiptoeing around your idol youtuber.

  7. #587
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    It's ok you are talking to a person who can take failed concepts from previous expansions and try to sell them as pinnacle of game design while in same breath shit on systems that existed forever as if they are some sort of new thing that apparently destroys WoW.

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    Of course you don't see eye-to-eye with people, because you try to push a total hogwash, tiptoeing around your idol youtuber.
    You are borderline delusional. I've stated, many times, that i'm not a big preach fan. I'm not even subbed to the guy, i just agreed with this one video. I've only corrected someone who mistook him for HeelVsBabyface.

    You are very hostile to pretty much everyone in this thread who disagrees with you. If we don't tow the company line 100%, you attack us. For Days now you've been trolling this thread with very little to add other than "you are bad for not liking BFA" and tossing insults.

    You need to grow up, you are the most immature person i've seen on MMO champ in some time.

  8. #588
    So to summarize, this fat turd is just qq-ing about not being allowed to be a special snowflake. "I am mythic raider only I am allowed to have good gear. The game should only revolve around snowflake raiders like me. Others can fuck off. Boohoo M+ players can't eat my cake. The cake's all mine boohoo~~"
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    Quote Originally Posted by matheney2k View Post
    I mean I'm not going to go through and find each and every thread about him here, do a search function here if you must. They are often made here trust me it shouldn't be a hard find lol. Looking at his videos on his channel I can find several negative videos about BFA right off the bat. Granted BFA isn't exactly WoW's best expansion to date, and I guess when your youtube career is solely about WoW, it's bound to happen.

    Fair enough he is nothing like the heelvsbabyface guy, but I would call Preach the 'diet coke' version of heel. Bellular and Taeliesan (idk how to say his name) are the main 2 I would say that are positive about WoW more than others.
    Bellular releases more videos critical of BfA than Preach and it’s not close. I would consider Preach one of the few Blizzard “defenders” as he always seems to be taking their side when he is a guest on other shows. He’s pro-LFR, for example, and he gave a TON of praise to Legion. BfA isn’t cutting it for the majority of the player base and you are in denial if you think it didn’t hurt the brand for ActiBlizz.

  10. #590
    These ppl following wow rant youtubers makes me remember flatearthers lol

  11. #591
    Always the Preach on... whatever. Preach knows much less than he thinks he does. Every week the same story

  12. #592
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    You are very hostile to pretty much everyone in this thread who disagrees with you.
    I have very low bullshit tolerance. There is "disagree" and there is "sprouting total loaded BS". Your "arguments" fall into latter part.

    When you take things that existed in WoW since forever and try to spin them as some sort of "look what BfA did to me!" thing, that's simply a load of poppycock.

    "Gear is +10 stats, I have multiple difficulties of same boss - damn you BfA for destroying raiding as we know it". Except this was a bloody thing since forever, it's just that you somehow now decided to crawl out and screech about it.

    There are genuine things one can discuss about BfA, for example GCD or class design or IE/Warfronts not being up to snuff or questionable story/lore, but that? Really now?


    Though seeing your post history, damn... no wonder you really spent a looong time utterly shitting on the game, so I guess it's a habit. A hobby at this point.

  13. #593
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I have very low bullshit tolerance. There is "disagree" and there is "sprouting total loaded BS". Your "arguments" fall into latter part.

    When you take things that existed in WoW since forever and try to spin them as some sort of "look what BfA did to me!" thing, that's simply a load of poppycock.

    "Gear is +10 stats, I have multiple difficulties of same boss - damn you BfA for destroying raiding as we know it". Except this was a bloody thing since forever, it's just that you somehow now decided to crawl out and screech about it.

    There are genuine things one can discuss about BfA, for example GCD or class design or IE/Warfronts not being up to snuff or questionable story/lore, but that? Really now?


    Though seeing your post history, damn... no wonder you really spent a looong time utterly shitting on the game, so I guess it's a habit. A hobby at this point.
    I just happen to prefer Legion's legendary systems over Azerite armor, and i prefer older WoW systems to current.

    I'm excited for classic, but haven't been hostile to those who enjoy BFA. I've said we just like two diff styles of the game, and we can agree to disagree.
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  14. #594
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    I just happen to prefer Legion's legendary systems over Azerite armor, and i prefer older WoW systems to current.
    If you mean Artifact there then yes, Artifact is better than Azerite, especially due to story and mechanics of borrowed ability and talents. I can see what they wanted to do with Azerite and concept was good (you choose what you want, instead of static), but execution is very lacking plagued with issues both balance and availability.

    Old WoW systems and I assume Vanilla are a decrepit mess that has no right to exist in 2019 as simple as that, nonetheless I am glad they introduce Classic, just so I won't have to hear this rose tinted BS any longer in MMO-C. Yes realistically I will still hear it from die-hard Vanilla flagellants, but I do have hope those will be mostly locked to their stasis chamber autoattacking Ragnaros forever.

    Rest of your stuff is just fluff, I won't address.

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    P.S. And I sure as hell hope you mistakenly said Legendary instead of Artifact, because if you think Legiondaries were a good idea... I don't know what to say.

  15. #595
    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    If you mean Artifact there then yes, Artifact is better than Azerite, especially due to story and mechanics of borrowed ability and talents. I can see what they wanted to do with Azerite and concept was good (you choose what you want, instead of static), but execution is very lacking plagued with issues both balance and availability.

    Old WoW systems and I assume Vanilla are a decrepit mess that has no right to exist in 2019 as simple as that, nonetheless I am glad they introduce Classic, just so I won't have to hear this rose tinted BS any longer in MMO-C. Yes realistically I will still hear it from die-hard Vanilla flagellants, but I do have hope those will be mostly locked to their stasis chamber autoattacking Ragnaros forever.

    Rest of your stuff is just fluff, I won't address.
    Fair enough. This is the most reasonable post you've made in this thread. I appreciate it.

    I was talking about the RNG of legendarys and how fun they felt vs the neck and azerite armor of today, but the artifact weapons also felt much better and much fun to get and power up than the neck. I also agree that i see what they were going for with azerite, but it missed the mark. The rings should have a more "legendary" impact so to speak. We lost much more powerful abilities from our legendary's and artifact weapons in Legion and got them replaced with abilities that aren't even a fraction as good. It doesn't feel good as a player.

    When you play an MMO or an RPG, IMHO, i should always feel more powerful as i level up or get to a new expansion. BFA was the first time i actively felt vastly weaker going from Legion to BFA (not just the number crunch) and it just doesn't feel good as a player. Not only did the GCD slow me down, but i lost a ton of abilities/power and gained what feels like very little from a gaming perspective.

    Anyways, i'm happy to agree to disagree i'm not out here pushing any agenda that my opinion is right and yours is wrong. I support you liking BFA and encourage it. same for everyone who is, i just personally prefer classic and it's more EQ style of gameplay/gear progression. There's no right or wrong here, i like classics MMORPG mechanics and you like BFA's ARPG systems.

    Not a big deal to like different things, but i hope 8.2 kicks ass and beyond for BFA players like yourself and have a nice day. I'm out

  16. #596
    Quote Originally Posted by KaPe View Post
    Logging every day to do the same repetitive World Quests in order to keep re-learning the same skills you had just a few months earlier is sooo much better.
    Except A) they are getting rid of this because they even said its bad in its current form, and B) It has nothing to do with the gear treadmill, so why mention it?

  17. #597
    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    That's heelvsbabyface. Don't confuse the two. Preach is rarely negative, and even when he is, there's a silver lining.
    No kidding. I mean it is one thing agree or disagree with his points. That is fine. But to claim he is a core of negativity is just laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justandulas View Post
    Legion is the 3rd-4th most beloved expansion behind WOTLK and TBC. It is held in high regards, especially with mythic raiders and high end gamers. MoP has also aged well because most people feel their particular class played the best during that expac (not for me, but i get the argument)

    WoD was generally considered the worst, by far, until BFA. BFA has taken that crown and ran so far ahead with it, WoD can't ever catch it.

    Even the most positive youtubers like Bellular, who if you cut him his blood will literally spell out blizzard on the floor, has been honest that BFA is pretty FUBAR.

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    vanilla was 10000x the game BFA is. Classes played better. we had agency. Gear MEANT something. the world felt big and alive. social bonds were real and not just LFR. And, most of all, it was an mmo RPG.

    There's no RPG mechanics left in WoW. if there are, where are they?! Vanilla WoW was inspired by Everquest. Current WoW has more in common with Diablo 3. BFA is an ARPG at this point.
    Can you tell me exactly why BFA is worse? It has inifitely more to do than WoD. Classes play worse but thats it. Everything else in the game is better.

  19. #599
    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Can you tell me exactly why BFA is worse? It has inifitely more to do than WoD. Classes play worse but thats it. Everything else in the game is better.
    Because asmongoloid and preach said so. And blind sheeps followed the hate

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    Because asmongoloid and preach said so. And blind sheeps followed the hate
    Ill agree that its not great, but BFA honestly has more to do than any WoW expansion ever besides Legion. MoP was good too, but daily overload.

    In terms of class design its probably the worst, but content wise its up at the top even if it is Legion with a BFA skin and worse classes.

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